Ferguson Hands in Transfer Request

[Jan]

Bryan

I prescribe a long rest in a darkened room with a cold towel mate!

To my knowledge there's no such thing as Scotney rhyming slang!

[Tris]

Although it was the Daily Record, it was also a direct quote from John Williams.

For me the sensible thing for Rovers to do would be to publicly reject Ferguson's transfer request.

Privately sit him down and tell him he can go in the summer if that's what he wants, PROVIDED the money is right from whoever.

There is certainly no way we should be accepting ANY offer from Rangers which includes writing off a sum due to them in 8 months time.

If they want the player now, they pay cash now. Otherwise the player stays here.

[Paul]

  Tugay4England said:

It wasnt aimed solely at you Paul,

Good

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For the people that have to deal with that situation, it's not really a laughing matter.

Very true but then both the English and the Scottish are good at bad taste humour. Anyway I aplogise if I offended, my main point was the reason for coming was to escape the bigots and the reason for going home is because they can't settle.

[T4E]

No offence taken Paul, I understand the point you were making.

Bryan

[Jan]

Paul

My self- censored point made a connection between the two!

[streakyb]

  Tris said:

Although it was the Daily Record, it was also a direct quote from John Williams.

For me the sensible thing for Rovers to do would be to publicly reject Ferguson's transfer request.

Privately sit him down and tell him he can go in the summer if that's what he wants, PROVIDED the money is right from whoever.

There is certainly no way we should be accepting ANY offer from Rangers which includes writing off a sum due to them in 8 months time.

If they want the player now, they pay cash now. Otherwise the player stays here.

So if you want no write off then you are happy for us to pay them the remaining sum due in the summer?

Also Ferguson is not, in my eyes, a good enough or key enough playet for us to pay him £0.75 mil to sit around and bugger off in the summer.

Yes we can sit him down and try and talk him out of leaving, but if he wants to go we should get rid of him a fast as we can AS LONG AS we get a fair price for him.

Why would it be the right thing for us to reject his transfer requst and not talk to him till the Summer. Look at where that got Birmingham. He is going whether you like it or not. It a case of maximising returns now.

[S15]

  rastan said:

ANY FEEDBACK??

Just 23 pages Clueso.

[philipl]

  Tris said:

Although it was the Daily Record, it was also a direct quote from John Williams.

For me the sensible thing for Rovers to do would be to publicly reject Ferguson's transfer request.

Privately sit him down and tell him he can go in the summer if that's what he wants, PROVIDED the money is right from whoever.

There is certainly no way we should be accepting ANY offer from Rangers which includes writing off a sum due to them in 8 months time.

If they want the player now, they pay cash now. Otherwise the player stays here.

Tris, I completely agree.

Noticed that all the talking about the transfer request was done by John Viola again this morning? I just wonder how total the extent is to which the Fergusons are being manipulated.

The only circumstances in which we should play ball would be if Hughes has a bargain lined up for which we need the Ferguson transfer money for- the rumour advanced by AndyC

[jim mk2]

  Tris said:

If they want the player now, they pay cash now. Otherwise the player stays here.

Stupid comment.

There's nothing to be gained in keeping an unhappy player at the club. Witness Savage at Birmingham.

Rangers just need to tweak the price upwards a little (taking into account the money we still owe Rangers) and he will be gone.

It's sad because a Ferguson/Savage midfield would have been excellent.

The club must move on though and seek a replacement for Ferguson (which Savage is not).

[Bobby G]

Hmm he was settled 4-5 weeks ago, now he isnt?

TOO FISHY!

Wait and see Ferguson will not go back to Rangers but will be playing in England in 2 weeks,at another club.

Remember neither he nor his agent have officially said that he is HOMESICK.

Well at least I hope we get 5 million pounds for him.

I would be GUTTED if we got 3.5 million.It would be a disaster to sign Savage for over 3 and sell Barry for just about the same.

[chris]

  youandwhosearmy said:

a nice little article about ferguson and murray

LINK

particluarly like the idea of barry seeming like a complete loser by leaving

Who's article is this, its class, all very true, just how I feel on the subject, certainly not wearing blue and white glasses like some people often do.

hopefully most fans agree with it

[AndyC]

  Jan said:

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And for anyone else worried about this £2.5 million payment - THAT WILL HAVE BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR, SO IF WE WRITE OFF THE DEBT TO RANGERS, Hughes would get the cash for a new player. It's not like we would be losing anything.

A slightly naive view of company accounting. It WILL have been accounted for. This is a completely different thing than the cash being available. Possibly it is, but it could be that Rangers have been warned that we would be unable to make the payment, and so think they can do this deal at a price we'd be forced to accept.

Who on earth would warn rangers we couldn't make the payment? If there is one thing we can be sure of - our club is run extremely well.

You may see it as naive, but an educated guess would suggest it more likely that a football club would be able to make the money available to the manager should it not be needed to pay the original debt that it was acrued for.

[Jan]

Of COURSE Ferguson is being manipulated. He's never been the sharpest tack in the drawer. Unlike Savage- who knows EXACTLY what he's doing, Ferguson has to be told at each stage what to say, where to stand, what to think etc.

I believe he DOES want to go home. I also believe that if "that nice Mr Viola" tells him that he's do really well at Everton or Newcastle (because the nice Mr Viola gets more of a wodge for him from them) then that's what he'll think too.

[Alan75]

I remember back in the 60's another scottish midfielder, Bobby Hope at West Brom. Every 6 months or so he would declare he was home sick for Scotland and requested a transfer. Each time WBA turned down his request. Lat time I heard of him he was still living in the Midlands, Bromsgrove I believe.

Mind you those were the days before freedom of contract, agents and mercenary players.

Make him wait, maybe by the summer his Mrs will be happier and the kids will have made friends.

Maybe Rovers will win the FA Cup and a place in europe, maybe Rangers imporove their offer in the summer or Souness / Moyes come in with an offer.

Ooops, waffling again.

but maybe you get my drift.

[Al]

  bellamy11 said:

I wonder what Al has to say about the noble Ferguson now.

Not noble but still the best and classiest player on our books.

I am very disappointed that he no longer wishes to play for us and fear that it could cause us problems. Thankfully we are 9 points clear of the relegation zone.

Obviously we cannot play him now. It is a pity that his integrity does not match his talent. However if Rangers want him they must pay us back what we paid them or let him rot. What they are attempting is little less than extortion. Let's see if we get Savage for less than 3 mill. and there is no comparison both in age and class between the two.

The money should be used for a decent striker for that is where we are weakest now.

[Jan]

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Who on earth would warn rangers we couldn't make the payment? If there is one thing we can be sure of - our club is run extremely well.

Souness. I appreciate the point about being run very well, but as Souness colludes with Murray all the time (allegedly of course) I suspect he's let him know that Blackburn MIGHT just bite to get out of the payment.

And although it's not in the same context- Leeds had to sell a player for a large sum each quarter to make their debt repayments- so financial husbandry is not always sound (Although I think ours probably is).

Also if what Tris is said is true, and the payment is due in August (cannot comment on this)- Murray and Viola may just have thought originally that they could get this bargain because the board were worried about possible relegation. Of course they reckoned then without Mark Hughes getting much more out of the squad that Souness did, so Murray told Viola to play the trump card- the transfer request.

[enigma]

Do we owe Rangers £2.5million outright or is it incentive-based?

[Jan]

I believe outright

[herbergeehh]

Absolutely brilliant article!

It also takes away a bit of my anger towards Ferguson and concentrates it towards that p**** Murray - which I like..

Eagerly awaiting an official statement from Mr. Ferguson himself, this time not through that moneymaking agent of his - I want a bloody good explanation of why he suddenly wants to go back. If so, I'll might forgive him for what he's done, but it should be a good one - a whole year's salaries while our captain goes injured doesn't really help his cause..

But I'm sad to see him give up so soon, even though it might be other reasons for him wanting to leave than just relegation struggles... He still hasn't played for a long period of time with a good partner and without injuries - he just hasn't proven what a player he could've become!

But as said in the article, I'm sure he'll show off against Partick Thistle and in the 2nd qualifying round of the Champions League.

[Jan]

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Eagerly awaiting an official statement from Mr. Ferguson himself, this time not through that moneymaking agent of his - I want a bloody good explanation of why he suddenly wants to go back. If so, I'll might forgive him for what he's done, but it should be a good one - a whole year's salaries while our captain goes injured doesn't really help his cause..

Mr Viola and Mr Murray are currently helping him copy the statement they've written that he'll release into his own handprinting.

[AndyC]

  Jan said:

Of COURSE Ferguson is being manipulated. He's never been the sharpest tack in the drawer. Unlike Savage- who knows EXACTLY what he's doing, Ferguson has to be told at each stage what to say, where to stand, what to think etc.

I believe he DOES want to go home. I also believe that if "that nice Mr Viola" tells him that he's do really well at Everton or Newcastle (because the nice Mr Viola gets more of a wodge for him from them) then that's what he'll think too.

is he really that thick?

i've never really heard many interviews with him to be honest.

one thing is for sure - agents get paid a whole lot of money for doing very little!

[S15]

Can someone please explain how your family can be settled and happy in December but hate it and wanna go home in January.

He's clearly going to Newcastle, and this is Mr Souness' doing.

[joey_big_nose]

It is utterly disappointing that Ferguson cannot stick it out but he must have a couple of decent bones in his body so this is how I feel it should be set out.

Williams, Hughes and Ferguson should sit down and talk it out, if they already have not done, and see how this can be done to everybody's satisfaction. This essentially means Rovers recouping 5 million (write off the debt plus 2.5-3m cash) and Barry going to Rangers. It should be made out to the player that as our Captain and employee he owes us nothing less than to stick by this. Vast sums were spent on his rehabilitation and wages while he was injured, to weaken our hand further would be absolutely unforgivable.

Essentially Barry must agree to continue as a Blackburn player until Rangers, or any other club he can stomach a move to, pay that amount. He cannot feign injury, he cannot disrupt the team, he has to give 100%. He must recognise he owes the club, the fans and the manager.

I am reasonably confident this can happen as it did with the likes of Saha, Boumsong etc where the player worked with the club to gain a decent fee.

As for a replacement- Parker would be ideal but it might be a little triky to convince him the future is blue and white. It cannot however hurt Hughes to ask.

[Ste B]

  AndyC said:

is he really that thick?

Of course he isn't.

Its just that Jan hates all things Rangers with a passion. If he was an ex Celtic player wanting to go back it would be a different matter.

[S15]

  joey_big_nose said:

It cannot however hurt Hughes to ask.

Unless Mr.Parker takes particular offence to the manner in which he asks.