Ferguson Hands in Transfer Request

[blue phil]

I still think the deal will go ahead if Rangers offer up to £4.5 with incentives and clauses included etc - and make it sound like they're paying through the nose to save Williams' face .....We'll see .

Maybe now would be the time for some kind of poll to be conducted on whether it would be acceptable to see Ferguson in the sacred shirt again ... (No silly Grooby options please !..)

[Eddie]

Ummm...yes..."no sorry for 4 million not a chance but er yes 4.5 million and he's yours"...? Where do you get those figures from.

They have said to the media 6 million. Now we all know how JW and the board work, you really think they would have come out and said that unless that is what they meant? If there aren't any further developments, such as Ferguson coming out and saying he won't play or something, then 6 million man he is, and million it will take.

[Manchester Blue]

I think some people are missing an important fact in all this that our performance at Bolton confirmed.  We need Barry Ferguson, or another player like him (sadly, Tugay is no longer that player).  Frankly, we could buy Michael Owen but without someone to get hold of the ball in midfield, dictate proceedings and show a bit of guile, he would be picking on scraps.

So whether he is worth £6M or not is irrelevant, it would cost a long way towards that amount to replace him.

If the deal is dead, hopefully, he will be professional about this and play to the best of his ability.

I think people are massively over-estimating the difference Ferguson would have made to that performance against Bolton. True, we'd have been better off with him in there, but there was a lot more wrong than just us missing Ferguson.

As for hoping Barry acts like a professional now, he's hardly acted professionally so far has he? First of all he gets his agent to engineer a move to Rangers behind Rovers back, and then he hands in a transfer request when Rovers decide not to play ball. All this by the club captain halfway through a relegation scrap. Are these the acts of a professional? Are they f***.

Does anyone (apart from Philipl obviously) seriously believe we'll get more than £4m for him at any time in the future? Lets hope Nuclearsox is right and Rangers come in with a final, final bid.

Yes I believe we will get at least £5m for him either this week or at the end of the season. However I hope we don't because that will mean he is staying. The club have said all along they won't be sold short and they have stuck to that.

You may think it's a bad situation but a far worse one would have been our best player leaving for £3m with no time to replace him. Maybe Monday wasn't all down to him missing but Thompson showed just what he is like in the centre.

Finally can you just clear up what extra info you have. You have slated him constantly saying you don't want a player who 'doesn't want to play for the club'. Hughes & Williams both stated that Ferguson is happy at the club but due to personal reasons he wants to go back to Rangers no other club just them. Do you know of other info that backs up your view that he just doesn't want to play for us?

[Scotty]

Finally can you just clear up what extra info you have. You have slated him constantly saying you don't want a player who 'doesn't want to play for the club'. Hughes & Williams both stated that Ferguson is happy at the club but due to personal reasons he wants to go back to Rangers no other club just them. Do you know of other info that backs up your view that he just doesn't want to play for us?

He's handed in a transfer request. What other info do you need?

[Paul]

The market is depressed...........

.....and I'm getting near suicidal over this one. Everyone has lost out.

Seems to me there are two solutions; either we sell Ferguson to Rangers for a reasonable sum £4 - £6m ish or Ferguson gets himself on the pitch on Saturday afternoon, works his balls off and inspires Rovers to a 6-0 victory. Cos if he's in the team and doesn't perform the crowd reaction will be horrendous, probably on a Dwight Yorke level....and I have to say if Ferguson plays, he doesn't perform and we lose,I'm not sure what language you may hear from the FS.

What a mess.

[den]

and I have to say if Ferguson plays, he doesn't perform and we lose,I'm not sure what language you may hear from the FS.

What a mess.

This is why he would have been better to come out a week ago and explain the situation. It will be far more difficult to make himself believed now.

[1864roverite]

From my position in sunny Leyland I have read with interests the views of phil against the dado prso kind of debate.

its all very interesting, its all very intriguing, its a mystery as to who now is the most comfortable with this situation.

we have had the discussion about Rangers being unable to afford the going rate, todays final bid seals that view IMO. If they so badly wanted the return of their MESSIAH then they would have made a more suitable bid.

we have the views of the two main persons involved, Mssrs Murray and Williams. There is no doubt that Murray has been a successful businessman away from football and it is clear that his recent rights issue has saved his beloved team. We down here in Lancashire (and beyond) and seen that Williams is a man not to be messed around with. For once "little 'ol Blackburn Rovers" have stood by their guns and not buckled in the face of player power/agent provocation and high media reporting of the whole scenario.

we have seen that Viola has shown himself to a complete to$$er when it comes to his client and his dealings. Poor BF must be wondering just what is going on.

I dont believe that BF is unhappy at Ewood. Granted we dont have 52k fans at home every week and we dont have the knack of being one of only 2 teams in a league challenging for honours on 3 fronts every year. Rovers provide a decent home for him, we are simply a town club with a fabulous stadium, training facilities that are the envy of the biggest European clubs, a club that is run correctly (most of the time), a club that is solvent and a club with a tremendously proud history. Rangers are somewhat bigger than Rovers in their own right but if you look at the picture from a different angle then Rangers are no bigger than Blackburn Rovers, they are just on differing parallels. There are over 2million people in Glasgow there is substantially less in Blackburn/Darwen and Preston.

Hughes has now a very delicate situation. He wants Ferguson to stay, he wants him in the team. Rovers fans may have various thoughts on this but the plain and simple fact is. is that Rovers need him alongside Savage. Rovers dont have to sell unless the price is right.

So where does it leave us ? Personally I cant see Rangers publicly upping their offer but I see a lot of behind closed doors negotiating in the next 2 days.

The ball is clearly with Gers, if they dont stump up they dont get. Its as clear as that.

dado, you dont have access to rangers accounts do you ? I seem to recall that the last issued accounts for the club revealed a debt of around 65 million or roundabout. I know the rights issue raised around 52 million but only cleared around 39 million of the debts. By my estimation that would still leave a deficit of 26 million give or take a few million.

a poor season in europe (again), an early exit in the cup (again) and quite obviously a far inferior team than that of your Glasgow neighbours (imo) leaves the attractiveness of rejoining rangers a loss less than it seems.

rangers no longer have the monopoly in Scottish football. Celtic have bigger debts than you but on the pitch your a poor second to them.

That is not a slant on you mate as I have read your views with interest. I just cant see how that attraction is bigger than playing in the English Premier League.

Edited January 27, 2005 by 1864roverite

[brfcshabba]

reasonable sum £4

I'll be going suicidal if we sell him for that much

[Martin]

One thing I am sure of is this is not DEAD.

It's going to be an interesting couple days.

[den]

I would put my money on it being dead until summer, when Rangers will come back with a very similar offer and get their man.

I don't have a problem with that,- never had. I would have had a problem with him going now, for £500.000 [first offer] and no time to replace him.

[1864roverite]

your probably right Den, dead for now gone in the summer.

After all what have Rangers got left this season ? 2nd place in the league

[modes98]

I would put my money on it being dead until summer, when Rangers will come back with a very similar offer and get their man.

I don't have a problem with that,- never had. I would have had a problem with him going now, for £500.000 [first offer] and no time to replace him.

I have to think you're right, we will get in a loan striker and leave baz playing in a few games.

Rangers will ship out there deadwood...which is half there team to be honest. Much similar to our players who we don't use! They will ahve more space on the wage bill and no dobut have more money to spend. If they desire his return so much they can up there offer before we have to pay £2.5million in august!

[blue phil]

Ummm...yes..."no sorry for 4 million not a chance but er yes 4.5 million and he's yours"...? Where do you get those figures from.

Like everyone on here I dreamt them up !! But there's always going to be a compromise figure (if he's going of course ) . £4m might not be acceptable ; taking into account all the circumstances , £4.5 might be .

If he did play on Saturday , it would be interesting to see what he'd be worth on Sunday , after Paul and co in the Family Stand had had their say.... Probably about tuppence ..

[den]

If he did play on Saturday , it would be interesting to see what he'd be worth on Sunday , after Paul and co in the Family Stand had had their say.... Probably about tuppence ..

It's god help Fergy if he misplaces a pass. All eyes to the top tier.

I'll be watching you mate.

[Manchester Blue]

Finally can you just clear up what extra info you have.  You have slated him constantly saying you don't want a player who 'doesn't want to play for the club'.  Hughes & Williams both stated that Ferguson is happy at the club but due to personal reasons he wants to go back to Rangers no other club just them.  Do you know of other info that backs up your view that he just doesn't want to play for us?

He's handed in a transfer request. What other info do you need?

A simple no would have sufficed.

[Scotty]

Finally can you just clear up what extra info you have.  You have slated him constantly saying you don't want a player who 'doesn't want to play for the club'.  Hughes & Williams both stated that Ferguson is happy at the club but due to personal reasons he wants to go back to Rangers no other club just them.  Do you know of other info that backs up your view that he just doesn't want to play for us?

He's handed in a transfer request. What other info do you need?

A simple no would have sufficed.

Eh? Can you explain how Ferguson handing in a transfer request means he wants to play for us?

[1864roverite]

Scotty

I can see where you are coming from mate. Dont you think that has or could have been ill advised to put in the request on the say so of his agent ?

Its always a possibility as it has been well documented before that footballers (or some) have no brains

[MarkBRFC]

Finally can you just clear up what extra info you have.  You have slated him constantly saying you don't want a player who 'doesn't want to play for the club'.  Hughes & Williams both stated that Ferguson is happy at the club but due to personal reasons he wants to go back to Rangers no other club just them.  Do you know of other info that backs up your view that he just doesn't want to play for us?

He's handed in a transfer request. What other info do you need?

A simple no would have sufficed.

Eh? Can you explain how Ferguson handing in a transfer request means he wants to play for us?

Now Now you two, lets not fall out

[Manchester Blue]

Finally can you just clear up what extra info you have.  You have slated him constantly saying you don't want a player who 'doesn't want to play for the club'.  Hughes & Williams both stated that Ferguson is happy at the club but due to personal reasons he wants to go back to Rangers no other club just them.  Do you know of other info that backs up your view that he just doesn't want to play for us?

He's handed in a transfer request. What other info do you need?

A simple no would have sufficed.

Eh? Can you explain how Ferguson handing in a transfer request means he wants to play for us?

Ok then, question for you. You get a job but it's a bit away from home but you don't mind as the money is good. You work at said job and you enjoy it. However personal circumstances dictate that you are not as happy at home so you request a transfer back home. You get refused unless certain conditions are met. Do you refuse to do your job properly even though you enjoy the job or do you get on with it? The facts as we know it are Ferguson has requested to go back to Rangers, he has not said he is unhappy with Blackburn Rovers, that is what we have been told by the club. If you know different then fair enough.

[Scotty]

Ah MB, you're buying the "everything's not well at home" line. What am I saying, of course you are, Ferguson couldn't possibly do anything wrong could he?

Three or four weeks ago Ferguson did an interview where he stated his family are settled and happy in the area and he's enjoying life at Blackburn Rovers. This is something that has been backed up by some of the Rangers posters who've come onto the board. Still, I guess something terrible could have happened in the last month...I guess.

And why can't he wait until the summer until we're out of trouble? If, and it's a bloody big if, his family are unsettled then why doesn't he move them back up north but stay here until the summer?

As for your little job scenario, his current job has far more prestige than his old one ever did. The trouble is, he's not as successful at it. Up there he's one of the best, down here he's just average. Up there he's not tested, he has an easy life where everyone adores him without him having to exert himself.

Down here though it doesn't come as easy. He'd have to work hard to become as successful, to gain the same amount of adoration. Unfortunately though, he's not prepared to do that. That's why he's asked to leave, that's why he's got his agent to engineer a move, and that's why I've lost all respect for him and want him out of the club asap.

[1864roverite]

...

or maybe his agent is not making a buck or two and needs an influx of cash from one of his clients

[krislu]

Down here though it doesn't come as easy. He'd have to work hard to become as successful, to gain the same amount of adoration. Unfortunately though, he's not prepared to do that. That's why he's asked to leave, that's why he's got his agent to engineer a move, and that's why I've lost all respect for him and want him out of the club asap.

My thoughts exactly, well said!

[thenodrog]

If Fergie fired his Agent and added a little sob PR story about being misled and how victimised he was it might help him save face a bit.

Very perceptive. If nothing happens by Tuesday then that will be his only way forward. I think he is well overated but I'm sure that his position as captain of Scotland wouldn't allow him to sulk his contract out.

[Manchester Blue]

Down here though it doesn't come as easy. He'd have to work hard to become as successful, to gain the same amount of adoration. Unfortunately though, he's not prepared to do that. That's why he's asked to leave, that's why he's got his agent to engineer a move, and that's why I've lost all respect for him and want him out of the club asap.

That is the whole point though, you will believe what you want, i'll believe what I want etc etc. It makes no difference at all as we could both be wrong, we simply don't know. What we do know is that the club will not sell on the cheap, which is a good thing. You think we are now left with an unhappy player I think we are left with a very good player. Whether or not you respect him is irrelevant, respect doesn't win you football macthes, good payers do.

[1864roverite]

ohhhh

the adoration if he scored he winner next wednesday evening