[Archived] Should Dunny Have Come Home?

[OJRovers]

If we are forced into selling MGP, then Duff could be an option. Otherwise I doubt we'd look to spend on another high profile left winger.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

If we are forced into selling MGP, then Duff could be an option. Otherwise I doubt we'd look to spend on another high profile left winger.

When will people get it, Duff will never be the same player he was 3-4 years ago, infact I seriously doubt he could down a place at any top ten club any longer. He has devolved a big time charley attitude, lost 2 yards of pace and was unfit at Chelsea, that’s why they sold him for nearly a 12 m loss. Anyone who saw him play for N’castle or Chelski would realize his.

The difference with Dunny was, yes they were both injured constantly, but when he did play for big club he played well, as most big club fans will admit. Dunny wants to play for this club and prove a point; I seriously doubt that Duff feels the same. Let’s stop reminiscing and move on, we don’t need any big time Charlie’s who have underperformed for the past 3 seasons

Edited September 6, 2007 by Bazzanotsogreat

[bob fleming]

He has devolved a big time charley attitude

How do you know?

[Ronin]

Wouldn't even consider getting Duff back. Too many injuries and his probable wages, plus he's definitely not the same player as he was with us. As much as Dunn has surprised us with is current form and fitness, I'd rather we bring in someone younger and new than an ex-player that is past his best.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

How do you know?

His work ethic (or lack of it) during chelsea training seasons, was one of the primary reasons for the taking a 12 million loss on him, and generally during interviews he seems to have chnged. Then we have the badge kissing, one week he apparenly cries when leaving rovers the next kissing his chelsea badge. He repeated this at Newcastle. He also seems to be unfit, a little overweight when he has played , pointing to the fact that he dosent train properly.

Anyhow my main point was that he is not good enough for a team, with top 6 aspirations

[Hughesy]

Difference between Dunn and Duff is that Dunn is a local lad and wants the club to do well, he understands the fans and only local lads and loyal players (tugs, friedel) can understand that.

Also noticed we nicked boltons fitness coach!

[philipl]

I haven't heard criticism of Duff's training before- in fact I remember him being quoted at both Rovers and Chelsea saying that he loved the training.

And the badge kissing argument used for supporting a general character assasination is a bit wet as well.

In fact bazza, I'd stop digging the hole you've dropped yourself into.

For me, the key differences between Dunn coming home and Duff coming back are:

- they both might have lost some pace but loss of pace is far more critical to a winger of Duff's style than to a central midfielder; Dunn used to be an option out wide for Rovers but I doubt Sparky would use him there now

- Duff is in the list of the richest footballers with a personal wealth of around £10m. Unless he is turning philanthropic as he moves into what should be his peak playing and earning years, Duffer is way outside our wage structure whereas at least the porn boys knew how to keep a grip on what they paid their players at BIG CLUB- most of the time.

It will be another year to 18 months before Duffer could remotely come onto the radar of a club with Rovers' current means and if Duff shows that he is back to something like form and fitness he will get offered a lucrative extension at St James.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

I haven't heard criticism of Duff's training before- in fact I remember him being quoted at both Rovers and Chelsea saying that he loved the training.

And the badge kissing argument used for supporting a general character assasination is a bit wet as well.

In fact bazza, I'd stop digging the hole you've dropped yourself into.

For me, the key differences between Dunn coming home and Duff coming back are:

- they both might have lost some pace but loss of pace is far more critical to a winger of Duff's style than to a central midfielder; Dunn used to be an option out wide for Rovers but I doubt Sparky would use him there now

- Duff is in the list of the richest footballers with a personal wealth of around £10m. Unless he is turning philanthropic as he moves into what should be his peak playing and earning years, Duffer is way outside our wage structure whereas at least the porn boys knew how to keep a grip on what they paid their players at BIG CLUB- most of the time.

It will be another year to 18 months before Duffer could remotely come onto the radar of a club with Rovers' current means and if Duff shows that he is back to something like form and fitness he will get offered a lucrative extension at St James.

The problem is with you Philipl is that a lot of your knowledge is based on assumption. If you had watched Duff, before he was injured at Newcastle and in his last 18 months at Chelsea he was god damn awful, unfit and overweight its quite obvious that you’ve not seen much of Damien prformances over the past 3 seasons. A manager as shrewd as Mourinho does not sell 27 year olds at a 12 million loss, unless there is some reason, the reason I understand it from a few Chelsea supporters is that he was not giving it his all in training.

Then we have his move to Newcastle he could have gone to Liverpool but went to Newcastle instead, you were amongst those calling Lucas Neil greedy arrogant etc, when he went to Wham, whats the difference, they are both money orientated. He turned down Champs league for Newcastle

He was a brilliant player for us, one of best to wear the Rovers colours in the past couple of decades and I was as gutted as anyone when he left. But we must face facts he is nothing like the player he was at rovers and was struggling to get into a very poor Newcastle outfit before he was injured

Edited September 6, 2007 by Bazzanotsogreat

[tcj_jones]

Bloody hell, all this talk of Duff being finished on a thread where the general trend is one of how superb Dunn has been since he came home is pretty naive and ironic. Duff has been off the boil for less time than Dunny was for God's sake!

I can't help but feel that Duff must be nearly shot. Jose Mourinho is not a stupid man, and he practically gave him to Newcastle for £5m. There must be something seriously wrong there.

Bellamy, I highlight your post, not to support my first point, but only because I was under the impression that Mourinho reluctantly let Duff go because he was no longer happy at being unable to hold down a regular starting place? Same as Robben.

If MGP were to leave, I'd advocate bringing Duff back.

EDIT: argh, somebody just reminded me of Duff's disgraceful badge kissing in front of the Rovers fans and his insulting celebrations at the final whistle. I'd probably still bring him back though, just because he was such a good player.

Edited September 6, 2007 by tcj_jones

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Bloody hell, all this talk of Duff being finished on a thread where the general trend is one of how superb Dunn has been since he came home is pretty naive and ironic. Duff has been off the boil for less time than Dunny was for God's sake!

Bellamy, I highlight your post, not to support my first point, but only because I was under the impression that Mourinho reluctantly let Duff go because he was no longer happy at being unable to hold down a regular starting place? Same as Robben.If MGP were to leave, I'd advocate bringing Duff back.

EDIT: argh, somebody just reminded me of Duff's disgraceful badge kissing in front of the Rovers fans and his insulting celebrations at the final whistle. I'd probably still bring him back though, just because he was such a good player.

Robben was sold for 25 million, duff 5 m and yes Duff was a world-class player, Dunn's actual perforamnces with Brum were good ,ask any big club fan. It wasnt a perforamnce thing with Dunny it was his fitness & injury situation, with duff his perforamnces over the past 3 seasons have been poor. Due to injury taking ( and generally unfit) there toll when a winger who relies on pace , losses a a yard or two . He is never the same player

[tcj_jones]

Dunny barely played for two seasons at Brum. Duff was also superb for Chelsea before his injuries hit. It is an injury and fitness situation for Duff as well. I fail to believe that Duff's fall from grace is the result of an attitude problem!

As for Robben, £25m was a good deal for both sides. Duff wouldn't have gone for as much, had he gone in an inflated transfer market, but it would have been a lot more than £5m. I use the Duff and Robben comparison because both wanted to leave because of not being guaranteed first team football.

[waggy]

a half fit duff is better than any winger we have now,i could see him returning home to a hero's welcome

[tcj_jones]

He sure as hell doesn't deserve a hero's welcome after his exploits for Chelsea in front of the Blackburn supporters.

[philipl]

Exactly tcj, hit the nail on the head with the comment about regular football. Mourinho signed three of the best wingers around (SWP, Robben and Duff) yet was starting some games with not a single conventional winger on the pitch. That would make anybody get upset- in fact I remember Duffer at Chelsea saying "all I want to do is play football".

Perhaps I should have encouraged bazza to carry on digging his hole?

It is all an academic conversation because of Duff's wages- when he moved to Newcastle, he went from £75K a week to £55K a week at a time Liverpool were only paying £40K max (except for Gerrard). Newcastle also coughed up for a lot of contractual elements effectively buying Duffer out of his Chelsea contract so whilst Chelsea only received £5m for him, they had nothing to pay in severing his contract.

Liverpool were not interested in doing that and to be honest, Chelsea were probably more comfortable with Duffer being at Newcastle than having Liverpool solve their left wing problem.

[waggy]

He sure as hell doesn't deserve a hero's welcome after his exploits for Chelsea in front of the Blackburn supporters.

if they paid me £60,000 a week i'd kiss this badge i'm desperate for a job

[Ronin]

That could be going a bit too far though

[Mozzer]

i wouldnt swap either of our wingers for duff..

even if pedersen is inconsistent, hes still one of the best wingers in the premierleague..

before newcastle signed duff i heard we went back in for him, so basically he turned us down..

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Exactly tcj, hit the nail on the head with the comment about regular football. Mourinho signed three of the best wingers around (SWP, Robben and Duff) yet was starting some games with not a single conventional winger on the pitch. That would make anybody get upset- in fact I remember Duffer at Chelsea saying "all I want to do is play football".

Perhaps I should have encouraged bazza to carry on digging his hole?

It is all an academic conversation because of Duff's wages- when he moved to Newcastle, he went from £75K a week to £55K a week at a time Liverpool were only paying £40K max (except for Gerrard). Newcastle also coughed up for a lot of contractual elements effectively buying Duffer out of his Chelsea contract so whilst Chelsea only received £5m for him, they had nothing to pay in severing his contract.

Liverpool were not interested in doing that and to be honest, Chelsea were probably more comfortable with Duffer being at Newcastle than having Liverpool solve their left wing problem.

BTW JM didn’t sign Robben or Duff it was under he previous manager

As for digging a hole pip, again you are clutching at straws, ive stated my opinion that Duff is not the same player he was, he has lost that yard of pace, looked unfit before he was injured and saw rumours of ‘castle trying to unload him. It seems obvious to me that you clearly have not seen him play for the past 2-3 seasons.

If duff was so good then why would a manager such J.M allow him to go so cheaply (don’t give the contractual stuff, you’re guessing and assuming again)

Again your assuming, I think you will find that there quite a few players at l’pool on more 40k , Im guessing your basing your assumptions on the bellamy & Neil prospective deals. The reason why they weren’t offered top whack deals is because they were only ever going to be squad players.

BTW I think you’ll find that even before the American ownership. The likes of Kewall, Carragher, Alonso and Owen were all on above your 40k claim.

[philipl]

As you are a lecturer you will be used to getting references.

Put wage structre and Liverpool FC into Google and you immediately see they missed out on Figo and Neill to name but two because they were unwilling to disrupt their wage structure.

And to repeat, the issue about Duff moving was that Newcastle matched all Chelsea and Duff's contractual transfer terms and Liverpool were not willing to do. Newcastle only paid £5m to Chelsea but the deal probably cost them the thick end of £10m which has shot Duff into the ten richest football players in the UK.

We do not know whether Duff rejectyed Rovers when he moved from Chelsea but we were simply not at the races when Newcastle were willing to do that sort of deal.

Let's see what BFS's fitness regime achieves if Duff comes back and stays injury free.

Thankfully Dunn has come back and stayed injury free (touches wood) and is showing what a fabulous midfielder he really is. If Reid does the same and MGP finds his best, we will have one of the best midfields in the Premiership by Christmas.

[gazsimm]

i wonder what all those people are saying now, who thought Dunny coming back to Rovers was a bad move. I bet they are singing Dunny for England now lol

[USRoverME]

well, we knwo JAL isn't as he was last seeing trying to say that Dunny's performance vs. Citeh wasn't THAT good, because Citeh's midfield is a relegation-quality unit......

[JAL]

well, we knwo JAL isn't as he was last seeing trying to say that Dunny's performance vs. Citeh wasn't THAT good, because Citeh's midfield is a relegation-quality unit......

Hold on, i said his performance against City was excellent then to add a balance to this or as some may say contradict i said City's midfield wasnt that good, this for me gave Dunny a great opportunity to showcase his talents.

Having watched City for the second time this season the other being at home to ManU i'm not impressed with them one bit so i'm trying to keep things in prospective and not get carried away which some posters on here seem to have been doing since day one.

[stuwilky]

What about Arsenal's midfield?

They second division at best as well?

[JAL]

What about Arsenal's midfield?

They second division at best as well?

Gilberto didnt play and also Rosicky didnt play central midfield but a certain second rater whom some on here seem to admire did ...Flamini played. Dunny's confidence grew when he scored that goal and fair play to him but in the first half of the Arsenal game if you thought Dunny did well......

Chelsea next and some world class midfielders to compete against like Essien and the fast improving Mikel now thats what i call a tester for Dunny, should be good.

[stuwilky]

Gilberto didnt play and also Rosicky didnt play central midfield but a certain second rater whom some on here seem to admire did ...Flamini played. Dunny's confidence grew when he scored that goal and fair play to him but in the first half of the Arsenal game if you thought Dunny did well......

Chelsea next and some world class midfielders to compete against like Essien and the fast improving Mikel now thats what i call a tester for Dunny, should be good.

Question well avoided....

Enjoy gloating when he puts in a bad performance, it will happen of course.