[Archived] Sunderland 0-1 Rovers

[S15]

Everton didn't spend their warchest on Beattie, they got him the January prior thanks to the Rooney money.

I can't believe the attitude of some fans, but maybe it somes up some of the people in this part of the world.

Scared to excel and strive to get the very best.

Negative effects of the Champions League? How about the positives eh? I hope we get in it and give it a real go, and aim to finish in the top four again next season.

If we fail who gives a toss? We might go out in the qualifiers and finish tenth, twelth or even fifteenth??!!

Who cares, atleast we'll have done something every other club aspires to do and will never get a chance of.

For every Everton there is a Villereal.

[Ozz]

And another thing, pay cash on the turnstile!

I strongly suggest to BRISA that lobbying for this at Ewood, then really promoting it would be a big move forward on the attendance debate.

Any business needs to make it so easy for potential customers to buy their goods/services. People give up very easily, and need every encourgement possible.

Bring back the casual fan!

[philipl]

Well said Shillito!

[thenodrog]

Well said ozziejones.

Surely a cash turnstlile for an area (upper or lower) in the Darwen End should be feasible?

btw shillito........"Scared to excel and strive to get the very best." please dont confuse caution with fear. Rem what happened when the Light Brigade played away in Europe and displayed a commendable lack of fear?

Edited March 26, 2006 by thenodrog

[herbergeehh]

We have an interesting record, no draws in the Prem since the Man City game late November.. a good sign, imo!

[waggy]

4 DRAWS ALL SEASON,from a team that were draw specialist last season.we have lost eleven this season which some could have been draws but that coud also be said off our wins.btw the lastdraw was that dour lancashire derby with lotnob

[brfcshabba]

We haven't had a score draw in the Premiership this season. The last one was West Bromwich Albion last April

[Alan75]

And another thing, pay cash on the turnstile!

I strongly suggest to BRISA that lobbying for this at Ewood, then really promoting it would be a big move forward on the attendance debate.

Any business needs to make it so easy for potential customers to buy their goods/services. People give up very easily, and need every encourgement possible.

Bring back the casual fan!

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Whats the difference between paying at the turnstile and paying at the ticket office.?

[Ozz]

Not a lot really, but mentally its another barrier.

Have you been to the ticket office on match days? There is always a decent length queue, and it takes a while to serve people who say oh I want it third seat along and on the fifth row , not too noisy, in the shade blah blah.

I suppose to qualify my feelings, it should a cash turnstile on each stand, with unreserved seating available. Of which there are plenty right now.

If Rovers advertised Cash turnstiles, no queueing just roll up on the day I' sure it would help.

[Alan75]

I can see where your coming from ozziejones, but consider how do you sort out seating from the turnstiles.

If it was a sit anywhere policy, not to difficult however with seats already reserved by season ticket holders, how do you implement sales of specific seats at the turnstile, without a link to the seating data base. Result queue at turnstile.

[Ozz]

How about the Darwen End lower tier is non season tickets for one season as a trial, make all turnstiles on this stand cash only and unreserved seating?

Or upstairs in the Darwen End? Nowt happening there most weeks?

[AggyBlue]

Put 'Reserved' on season ticket seats, all others available.

Try it in a lightly populated area ie. DE lower or even DE upper.

It's got to be worth a try but over a period of time, not just one game.

[AggyBlue]

Bl00dy hell Ozzie, I need some speed typing lessons

[waggy]

i had no ticket for the game yesterday,and when we arrived at 2.57pm i asked the cops were the ticket office was,he said just pay on the turnstile,easy easy easy

[den]

From BRISA minutes of meeting with the club:

Q: Cash Turnstiles

Many supporters would still like to pay cash on the gate. Given there could be difficulties with seating would the club consider this? At WBA this weekend despite all fans having numbered tickets supporters where told to sit wherever they wished – it seems unreserved seating is still used in the Premier league.

A: The ticket office is the cash turnstile. There are a number of objections to having specific turnstiles where one simply hands over cash for entry:

Lost data

Security issues

Seating issues

Capacity problems

Club image – PL or conference?

[Ozz]

Well Den it appears Rovers dont want to help them selves here. All those problems could have answers if they really wanted it. I suspect the clubs main sticking point is Lost data.

Club image – PL or conference? At the moment our crowds are headed towards conference levels!

Edited March 26, 2006 by ozziejones

[waggy]

lost data -well thats up to the fan

security issues-can the club expand

seating issues - a area with unreserved seating no problem

capacity problem - are they having a laugh

club imag-we all know the answer to that

[den]

Guys, join BRISA and have your say there.

The club are very helpful, it just doesn't show on that snippett. BRISA can go back to the club on any issue and fully intends to.

[Ozz]

Joined last year Den. If you need me to help on this issue, let me know.

As a footnote, many lapsed fans and similar would see a return to a cash turnstile as s concession to the pre Sky days, a nod to the people who think that football isn't what it used to be. Which, of course it isn't.

[den]

BRISA minutes on unreserved seating:

. Unreserved Seating

Q: Can area of the ground be used for regular unreserved seating? Some fans feel the Family stand should be relocated to the Riverside, make the upper tier unreserved seats allowing casual fans to sit in the most vocal area of the ground. Could such an area also be accessed via a cash turnstile?

In the old Nuttall Street Stand reserved season tickets seats had a white painted backrest. Surely a method of identifying unreserved seats could be found for the modern day Ewood Park?

A: While this point was not specifically discussed it is clear the club would consider an area of unreserved seating. Such arrangements would be related to improving match day atmosphere. BRISA gained the impression a serious discussion on this issue along with other atmosphere ideas would be carefully listened to.

[OscarRaven]

Have a wad of numbered tickets on the gate, hand cash over get ticket. Has seat number etc.. solves most problems. If its quiet people can move to sit where they want if not everyone sits where allocated.

Mark season ticket seats as Reserved, as for the clubs PL or conference response thats just stupid... do they want fans or what? Biggest image problem at Rovers is the odd stand out on Telly evey week and how do we solve that? - Exactly, PR seems to be Rovers managements weak point (in my opinion).

As for lost data, thats weak... and they know it. Why not have a Name and Address section on the back of the ticket and offer a £1 off next on gate purchase for completed tickets... after all if they are that concerned about it the data I'm sure they are willing to pay for it.

Have Rovers agreed to trial/implement anything from from the attendance document?

[den]

Have Rovers agreed to trial/implement anything from from the attendance document?

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There will be something trialled soon as a result of the discussions between club and BRISA. It's in another BRISA members domain, so it's for them to inform people of developments.

[1864roverite]

You must be sh*tting me?

To win the first round of the UEFA Cup and enter the mini league would represent 6 matches in europe and every league game being played on an unatmosheric Sunday in front of very little people.

For no money.

How this is a better scenario than three games at home in front of a near full and buzzing Ewood and three games away at some of europes biggest grounds, for Ten Million (!!!!!!) is beyond me.

The quality of opposition in europe is never going to be any better than Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool and a full strength Arsenal.

I can't recall the last time we were embarrassed against any of these teams.

In fact, for arguments sake (all hypothetical as it's in no way possible), if we were drawn in a group consisting of Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal, which incidently would be the most horrendous (quality of) group ever, our last last 2 home and away games against these teams....

Man Utd, Won 4-3, Won 2-1. 6 Points.

Liverpool, Drew 2-2, Lost 0-1. 1 Point.

Arsenal, Won 1-0, Lost 0-3. 3 Points.

This would leave us with 10 points, which would give us a damn good shout of qualification. The chances are we would be drawn in a group with at least one team, and probably two who would be of a lower quality than these three teams.

Anyway, all a long way away, a good win today. I don't think we'll get 4th spot, and although I really don't get excited by the UEFA Cup, I can accept it can only be seen as major progress for our club.

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yes by that I wasnt meaning chelsea,manure or liverpool I was meaning the top european clubs

remember trelleborg, rosenberg,lyon,kiev ?

[S15]

Of course, but two things...

Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal = Top european clubs.

Also, if we are going to be fearful of europe just because of teams who we don't know how to spell the name of then we may as well sell Bellamy, Pedersen, Nelsen and Freidel, pay off our debts and sit pretty in the lower reaches of our league week in week out.

I personally would rather see this team, arguably the best we've had in a decade, have a crack at the big boys, and try and right the wrongs of the past.

[thenodrog]

Well said ozziejones.

Surely a cash turnstlile for an area (upper or lower) in the Darwen End should be feasible?

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Put 'Reserved' on season ticket seats, all others available. 

Try it in a lightly populated area ie. DE lower or even DE upper.

It's got to be worth a try but over a period of time, not just one game.

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Bl00dy hell Ozzie, I need some speed typing lessons

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Do they do 'speed reading' lessons too Aggy?