[Archived] Rovers 1 West Ham 2

[CAPT KAYOS]

As a season ticket holder of Blackburn Rovers I could I am sure look into the possibility of legal action against you, were in circumstances I could argue that I have suffered a financial loss. An action where you the custodians of the League fail to take the necessary steps to protect what is regarded as the best league football competition. I shall await a response from you, while I consider what action if any I feel I might be able to take.

This was something a few of us where commenting upon on Saturday could it be done?

Maybe Stuwilky could give an insight to the what fors etc-Stu??

[stuwilky]

This was something a few of us where commenting upon on Saturday could it be done?

Maybe Stuwilky could give an insight to the what fors etc-Stu??

The rules dont allow for anything like that.

Although I wonder if the decision by UEFA last year to replay the match between two baltic states due to a refereeing decision would be an interesting comparator.

[Threepenny Bit Foot]

How on earth did you manage to gather that data? Or is it our performances against the 3 ultimately relegated clubs?

Yes - versus the 3 ultimately relegated each season and the current bottom three this season so far. For previous season stats try http://stats.football365.com/

[Jan]

Mmm... so who was the Chavscum then here mi lady??

And what was that about life is too short to worry?

Bit of kettle black pot imo - Where's Abs and gazimm?

If you can't see the difference between anger at being cheated out of a game, and the same anger at a few days delay in getting to know where a game is going to be played, then I'm truly sorry for you.

Unlike others, however, I ultimately did nothing except write to the FA.

[Eddie]

Yes - versus the 3 ultimately relegated each season and the current bottom three this season so far. For previous season stats try http://stats.football365.com/

It's an interesting set of stats and certainly something the team needs to address. Had we not dropped points against the bottom three this year we would be in a comfortable position to qualify for the UEFA Cup again and even pushing for the Champions League. Had we not dropped points against them last year, particularly the defeats against West Brom and Birmingham towards the end of the season then we would have possibly made the Champions League. Now I know that we will probably always drop a point or two against the relegated sides, most teams do, but to have lost 4 games out of 4 against the sides currently in the bottom 3 this season is unacceptable. The worrying fact is that I wouldn't be on us winning the remaining 2 games we have against the bottom three. It is all well and good getting impressive victories against teams like Liverpool, or in past seasons against United, Chelsea or Arsenal, but every game is worth the same number of points and we are making our lives a lot more difficult every season.

[DudeAbides]

Totally agree mate...

[ewoodblue]

If you can't see the difference between anger at being cheated out of a game, and the same anger at a few days delay in getting to know where a game is going to be played, then I'm truly sorry for you.

Unlike others, however, I ultimately did nothing except write to the FA.

It makes you wonder if they ever want to listen.Didn't Mark Hughes arrange a meeting with the referee's not so long back.

Like one of the pundits said on Match of the Day, before a linesman can overule a refee , he has to be 100 per cent sure of his descision.There's no way from where he was stood that he could have been 100 per cent sure.

The standard of Prem refs ,who are mean't to be the best ,is a disgrace, but I'm still miffed with Rovers for sitting back and allowing West Ham to come at us.Sometimes Rovers can be their own worst enemy.

[RovertheHill]

Well that's his problem. If that's his approach, he should be withdrawn from the list of officials[/b].

He BELIEVED the ball went for a corner. He BELIEVED the ball was over the line. He shouldn't judge incidents that way, he should give what he SEES.

Jesus, how long's he been doing this job?

Check my signature - I suspect he'll say something like I saw the ball go over the line which meant Tevez wasn't offside. I BELIEVE the guy would have been sacked by now if he'd done that to Utd or Chelsea

[CAPT KAYOS]

If you can't see the difference between anger at being cheated out of a game, and the same anger at a few days delay in getting to know where a game is going to be played, then I'm truly sorry for you.

Unlike others, however, I ultimately did nothing except write to the FA.

And me the same for you not seeing a jest - maybe you are more stuck up than even you realise.

What I am trying to highlight here is that there are different emotions raised at a game and just because some may get a bit over excited - possibly overdoing it some of the time - does not condemn them to all being chavscum.

As I have said before , I agree with you in respect that some parts of our fanbase are little more than violent thugs with no regard for anything (which I am sure TND will no doubt agree) - but the way you chose to slander anybody that gives rise to their emotions just because you prefer to sit passively in your seat is hypocritical IMO.

[den]

Check my signature - I suspect he'll say something like I saw the ball go over the line which meant Tevez wasn't offside. I BELIEVE the guy would have been sacked by now if he'd done that to Utd or Chelsea

He wouldn't have done that at OT RTH. That's what makes it all the worse.

[Fife Rover]

Its only like Robbie Savage sitting in the studio last week against citeh and saying "no im a blackburn player" when asked the question "do you feel sorry for stuart pearce"

Fact is if we had won the exact same way against west ham as they did to us yesterday none of us would care either.

I'm sorry but I have to completely disagree with that statement. There are quite a few that would care, and I am one of them.

Rev said in his post that in all his years watching football he had never seen anything like the disastrous chain of decisions (all made in the space of a few seconds) that led up to WHam's 2nd goal. Well I have been watching football for over 60 years and I have never seen anything as bad either. However there is one thing that I do disagree on with the majority of people complaining about the officials, and that is I don't think there is any suggestion of a conspiracy or officials taking a bribe involved. No, rather a simple case of incompetance on the part of Mr. Devine and the ref having to accept his judgment. It looks to me like a simple case of a linesman not being up to the job for reasons of poor eyesight or whatever.

None of this however affects my opinion that the FA should now look at all the various complaints that are coming in from all clubs about poor decisions having very severe consequences for clubs and players alike. The FA must surely act ASAP to introduce TV replays on the spot for major controversial decisions such as goal line and penalty box incidents.

[speeeeeeedie]

It's always nice to see reactions fading as time passes. Most were spitting teeth on Saturday, but now the reality has set in. I think that the blatent incompetence of the officials masked an awful Rovers performance. West Ham are by far the worst team I've seen this season, yet we let them off the hook. We should have been 4 up at half time, not including Derbyshire's "goal". MGP missed a sitter, McCarthy should have done better when Green messed up, and there are other times when we whould have gone for them but didn't. The second half started great but them we decided to have the rest of the afternoon off. We could have made inroads this weekend into the top 6 but because of this I think Europe is very unlikely via a direct UEFA spot. Bolton are in free fall, Portsmouth and Reading have had it, we've killed ourselves, so it looks to me like Everton and Spurs.

West Ham will go down, Charlton and City winning saw to that.

[Jan]

My reactions aren't fading. One of the Partners supports West Ham. He made to come over to speak to me about the game, saw my face and scuttled off in the other direction. Another football fan said that he thought it was an absolute disgrace and was treated to a tirade about referees and linesmen. He went and bought me a cup of camomile tea, saying I clearly needed it!

[den]

I'm sorry but I have to completely disagree with that statement. There are quite a few that would care, and I am one of them.

Rev said in his post that in all his years watching football he had never seen anything like the disastrous chain of decisions (all made in the space of a few seconds) that led up to WHam's 2nd goal. Well I have been watching football for over 60 years and I have never seen anything as bad either. However there is one thing that I do disagree on with the majority of people complaining about the officials, and that is I don't think there is any suggestion of a conspiaracy or officials taking a bribe involved. No, rather a simple case of incompetance on the part of Mr. Devine and the ref having to accept his judgment. It looks to me like a simple case of a linesman not being up to the job for reasons of poor eyesight or whatever.

None of this however effects my opinion that the FA should now look at all the various complaints that are coming in from all clubs about poor decisions having very severe consequences for clubs and players alike. The FA must surely act ASAP to introduce TV replays on the spot for major controversial decisions such as goal line and penalty box incidents.

I kind of agree with you Fife, but answer me this:-

If it were a simple case of incometence and nothing more, then why would you never see those decisions go against Man Utd at Old Trafford. Now unless you believe that it would have happened, then it's more than simple incompetence, - isn't it?

[OscarRaven]

Ok won't be a popular view but we only have ourselves to blame for that defeat...... after all the 'goal' that never was had beat every Rovers player if Tevez had'nt stopped the ball on our goal line we'd be moaning about a dodgey penalty given cuase a player decided slide tackle in the box in terrible conditions instead of run the man wide... which of course changed the game completeley... blah blah

Rovers were lazy and arrogant... and having not learned from Watford, Sheff U, Charlton and W/ham away- stupid.

[Ozz]

West Ham are by far the worst team I've seen this season, yet we let them off the hook.

They looked very beatable in the first half, like most teams at Ewood this season. But missing easy chances (MGP) and then getting the ref to play for you means that sooner or later a crap team will win.

And I thought Tevez was the best player on the pitch, were's he been all season!

[roversmum]

It really does need addressing. It's gone way beyond a joke now. We should have won that match in the first half if the commitment had been there. And sorry if I've mentioned this before (several times) but if I see any more long balls I'm going to scweam and scweam and scweam.......

[AggyBlue]

Ok won't be a popular view but we only have ourselves to blame for that defeat......

Rovers were lazy and arrogant... and having not learned from Watford, Sheff U, Charlton and W/ham away- stupid.

Even Utd and Chelski have poor games and struggle to a 1 - 0 win. That's what good teams do when playing poor. That's what we were doing until some devine intervention.

I don't go along with the 'we only have ourselves to blame' numpties. No matter how good a team, they'll not always hammer all opposition.

That loss is down to one person, he wasn't wearing blue'n'white nor claret'n'blue.

[Fife Rover]

Well that's his problem. If that's his approach, he should be withdrawn from the list of officials[/b].

He BELIEVED the ball went for a corner. He BELIEVED the ball was over the line. He shouldn't judge incidents that way, he should give what he SEES.

Jesus, how long's he been doing this job?

Whilst I have criticised this decision of the Officials and quite rightly so, I must say that your particular interpretation of what he said is unfair. My understanding of what Mr. Devine is trying to say here is as follows: "I believe" in this instance (and in common everyday useage of the English language) is meaning that the visual information as received by his eyes is processed in the brain and becomes what he "believes" and it is therefore synomonous with what he sees.

[CAPT KAYOS]

"I believe" in this instance (and in common everyday useage of the English language) is meaning that the visual information as received by his eyes is processed in the brain and becomes what he "believes" and it is therefore synomonous with what he sees.

Which where quite obviously shut or he needs a medium ie specs to rectify the problem with the brain he obviously doesn't posess.

[gumboots]

Thing is, Jim's a really nice bloke. He will be devastated when he sees the mistakes he's made because he's been so desperate to get back to running the line since his injury and has been driving his family mad at weekends. I'm not making excuses for the inept performance on Saturday but there are those here who seem to think he has an agenda that wants West Ham to stay up and Rovers to be disadvantaged and have suggested he might have gained financuially from his "mistakes", but in this case I know neither is true. He will have made genuine mistakes, and I would be the last to say there was any excuse whatsoever for them, as I was furious too and still am about the way we lost the points for that game, but that's what they were - mistakes, and not an anti Rovers conspiracy. And to those who say we should have been out of sight by the time it happened well there's nothing in the laws of the game that says you're not allowed to win one - nil, although I think we'd probably have got a second if we hadn't been so wound up by Jim.

[den]

Thing is, Jim's a really nice bloke. He will be devastated when he sees the mistakes he's made because he's been so desperate to get back to running the line since his injury and has been driving his family mad at weekends. I'm not making excuses for the inept performance on Saturday but there are those here who seem to think he has an agenda that wants West Ham to stay up and Rovers to be disadvantaged and have suggested he might have gained financuially from his "mistakes", but in this case I know neither is true. He will have made genuine mistakes, and I would be the last to say there was any excuse whatsoever for them, as I was furious too and still am about the way we lost the points for that game, but that's what they were - mistakes, and not an anti Rovers conspiracy. And to those who say we should have been out of sight by the time it happened well there's nothing in the laws of the game that says you're not allowed to win one - nil, although I think we'd probably have got a second if we hadn't been so wound up by Jim.

I haven't seen anyone suggest there's an agenda, Gumboots. Nor have I seen anyone suggest that the same decisions would be given at Old Trafford.

It's bloomin' obvious why these things happen, but is also further proof that decisions given at Ewood Park aren't taken as seriously as elsewhere. It can't be put down as simply a mistake, if it wouldn't happen elsewhere - can it.

[BrianPotter]

Our performance wasn't up to scratch that's for certain, probably not helped by the conditions and a rather lightweight midfield.

Bentley, Dunn, Tugay and Pederson across the middle could be frightening pureley in attacking terms, and equally frightening in defensive terms (or lack of it) - sadly on Saturday it was the latter. In no way am I criticising any of them, but as a midfield quartet they offer no bite or presence which is simply due to the fact they are all very similar types of players. This coupled with the in effectiveness of our strikers on Saturday meant it would be a struggle. We really should have won the game, not in style but by playing poorly and scraping a result (the sign of a good side). This was exactly what was going to happen until the linesman intervened with his little side show. It is impossible to put into words the disgraceful display by the officials - but as per usual nothing will be done. For me you cannot have someone in a role for which they are being paid to carry out (and paid well) yet not be accountable for their performance to anybody - thats the root of the problem.

Aside from that, I thought we didn't capitalise on West Hams lack of confidence, and more worrying was that once we got the goal we took our foot completeley off the pedal and the players seemed to beleive it was game over.

In summary we will need to improve dramatically over that performance if we are to snatch a european place, and the officials will need to improve by ten fold if football is going to continue to be enjoyable to watch!!

[stuwilky]

Thing is, Jim's a really nice bloke. He will be devastated when he sees the mistakes he's made because he's been so desperate to get back to running the line since his injury and has been driving his family mad at weekends. I'm not making excuses for the inept performance on Saturday but there are those here who seem to think he has an agenda that wants West Ham to stay up and Rovers to be disadvantaged and have suggested he might have gained financuially from his "mistakes", but in this case I know neither is true. He will have made genuine mistakes, and I would be the last to say there was any excuse whatsoever for them, as I was furious too and still am about the way we lost the points for that game, but that's what they were - mistakes, and not an anti Rovers conspiracy. And to those who say we should have been out of sight by the time it happened well there's nothing in the laws of the game that says you're not allowed to win one - nil, although I think we'd probably have got a second if we hadn't been so wound up by Jim.

On a point of FACT - you think nothing untoward has happened, you dont know.

And I hope he does feel awful about giving all those decisions West Ham's way. There was WAAAYYYYYY to many decisions he gave that way for my comfort.

[CAPT KAYOS]

Thing is gumboots - there are mistakes and downright complete and utter cock ups with no excuse. And relative or no relative he was absolutley rubbish and its not the first time apparently.

As I have said before - they don't go off what they see, more want they think they have seen with their mind already made up - and I'm referring to all officials and not just the imcompetent fool on Saturday.

I have already commented upon before is the ambiguous so called 'rules' and interpretations that are enforced on the officials without them being able exact their influence over a game using their own nous and interpretation - however what happened Saturday was nothing short on incompetence to the highest degree which could have created disorder both on and off the pitch , which to a degree it did.