[Archived] Rovers 1 West Ham 2

[Fife Rover]

I kind of agree with you Fife, but answer me this:-

If it were a simple case of incometence and nothing more, then why would you never see those decisions go against Man Utd at Old Trafford. Now unless you believe that it would have happened, then it's more than simple incompetence, - isn't it?

Aha Den! There you go again; introducing the conspiracy theory. I am afraid that this unhappy episode must resolve down to how each one of us chooses to see it. It is either just plain incompetance and non- malicious, or something worse. In the latter case put your own interpretation on it.

[stuwilky]

I have already commented upon before is the ambiguous so called 'rules' and interpretations that are enforced on the officials without them being able exact their influence over a game using their own nous and interpretation ...

Im struggling to find what "nous" is required to decipher the rather unambiguous phrase taken from the laws which says "the ball must completely cross the line."

[den]

Aha Den! There you go again; introducing the conspiracy theory. I am afraid that this unhappy episode must resolve down to how each one of us chooses to see it. It is either just plain incompetance and non- malicious, or something worse. In the latter case put your own interpretation on it.

Ok Fife, you'll have to put labels on things if you like. Just give me a simple answer - do you honestly believe that the goal would have been given, the penalty given and a United player sent off for a hand ball in the 94th minute, after being blatantly pushed, at Old Trafford.

Simple yes or no would do.

If it's "NO", then it can't simply be incompetence, can it? That's all I'm saying Fife.

[ABBEY]

gumboots can you ask him"when did you go to krypton?"

he must have x ray vision because for the corner that brad scooped up(ive no idea i cant see from the bbe and i have not seen a replay either) he could see thru brads arm ,two posts and netting not to mention player and for the goal his xray vision worked miracles again,post ,legs ,arms bodies etc...

mistake ? you can accept mistakes but that was complete and utter buffonery and he should ring specsavers because he flaming needs them.

imagine if he was a brain surgeon and made blatent gaffes like that.

[Jan]

On a point of FACT - you think nothing untoward has happened, you dont know.

And I hope he does feel awful about giving all those decisions West Ham's way. There was WAAAYYYYYY to many decisions he gave that way for my comfort.

Wasn't it him who gave Matty an offside in the first half which blatantly wasn't, and one for Bentley too, and the disallowed goal had him wagglig his little flag like he was a dog with a tail.

Or did the linesmen change at half time- they sometimes do.

[Eddie]

It was the same, he also gave MGP offside when he was onside by a good two yards.

[Jan]

It was the same, he also gave MGP offside when he was onside by a good two yards.

In that case, not only does the guy need banning from ever taking part in football at any level again, he needs thorough investigation. I wouldn't be surprised if we find that he has to wear contact lenses and forgot to put them in.

[AggyBlue]

Ok Fife, you'll have to put labels on things if you like. Just give me a simple answer - do you honestly believe that the goal would have been given,

Ha Ha, would a ball blocked on Utd's line at OT be given as a goal, you must be joking.

Who, was it last season, had the ball two yards over the line there and it wasn't given?

[Sparky Marky]

There should be a criminal investigation into match fixing...He got it that badly wrong....I'd string the @#/? up if I had my way....He's a disgrace and should be sacked forthwith.

[Fife Rover]

Ok Fife, you'll have to put labels on things if you like. Just give me a simple answer - do you honestly believe that the goal would have been given, the penalty given and a United player sent off for a hand ball in the 94th minute, after being blatantly pushed, at Old Trafford.

Simple yes or no would do.

If it's "NO", then it can't simply be incompetence, can it? That's all I'm saying Fife.

Yes Den I know exactly what you are saying, and I do actually agree with you in the case of OT as you put it, that none of the things that happened to Rovers would in all probability have happened there in the same circumstances. However I still dont buy the conspiracy theory either in that case or in the real case that happened to Rovers. I have already given my interpretation of the Rovers incident, and in the hypothetical case you have posed I feel that most (but not all) assistant refs would chicken out of causing the inevitable furore that would follow if they upset the Manc hordes. Only my opinion though.

[Manchester Blue]

Even Utd and Chelski have poor games and struggle to a 1 - 0 win. That's what good teams do when playing poor. That's what we were doing until some devine intervention.

I don't go along with the 'we only have ourselves to blame' numpties. No matter how good a team, they'll not always hammer all opposition.

That loss is down to one person, he wasn't wearing blue'n'white nor claret'n'blue.

That is exactly what I said today. No of course we didn't play well but we were doing enough, playing poor;y but winning and not really in any danger. I just keep laughing about the goal it's that bad. Not only did Bowyer handle, but then Tevez was offside and finally it didn't even go in. Like others have said you can't put it down to just a mistake. Incomptence of that level needs punishing with at least dismissal, if not murder.

[gumboots]

I'm not trying to defend Jim's incompetence. I agree it was an all-round inept display that would from anyone else have had me questioning whether he was taking a backhander, but I am defending Jim's integrity because, on this occasion, I can, as I know the bloke. No, you're right something like that would probably, no, almost certainly, not have been given at Old Trafford but that again is not down to lack of honesty by the linesman but because people get influenced by the crowd and players and their ground is more intimidating than ours. They're a high profile club with a worldwide following and considering the furore this has caused in both quality and tabloid newspapers the backlash if it had happened at Old Trafford would have been incredible.

[Scotty]

That is exactly what I said today. No of course we didn't play well but we were doing enough, playing poor;y but winning and not really in any danger. I just keep laughing about the goal it's that bad. Not only did Bowyer handle, but then Tevez was offside and finally it didn't even go in. Like others have said you can't put it down to just a mistake. Incomptence of that level needs punishing with at least dismissal, if not murder.

The first West Ham goal was a tough call. I've seen it replayed a couple of times since and I'm still not sure whether it was a penalty or not. What I do know is that, as soon as it happened, I said "penalty". If Emerton had stayed on his feet and ushered Tevez away from goal (as he should have done) there wouldn't have been an issue. Although Tevez made a meal of it, Emerton did dive in stupidly and he didn't get the ball. I can understand why it was given, even if it wasn't necessarily the correct decision.

So, to say that we were winning is unfair imo. We were drawing and on the back foot when the real incompetence occured - a position we'd allowed ourselves to get in by simply arsing about once we'd gone a goal up.

I'm not trying to let the officials off the hook - I thought they were crap throughout - but I also think that too many people are dismissing the teams (non-)performance after we'd gone in front.

[den]

Scotty, if you're not sure after seeing numerous replays that it was a penalty [neither am I], then it was a bad decision also. Gawd, they have to be certain before awarding them. So it was another case of the official "thinking" he saw a foul. Just as they "thought" it was over the line and they "thought" it went out for a corner. They just didn't have a clue, they were guessing.

No way can anyone seriously blame the players for that defeat.

[CAPT KAYOS]

Im struggling to find what "nous" is required to decipher the rather unambiguous phrase taken from the laws which says "the ball must completely cross the line."

Agree, Stu - but it wasn't just that which is why it is just so diabolical which is what really infuriates me - as I said they don't actually look at what has happened but what they perceive (think) has happened and have already made their mind up

I don't care what anybody says, I am 100% certain nobody has had decisions go against them as much as us this season regardless of the addage it evens itself out over the season.

[Wiggy]

Re: Video replays.

Learned people keep nodding wisely and saying ' Yes but over a season these sort of incidents even themselves up'. Yeah right it may well BUT given that we are one game away from appearing in our first FA Cup Final at Wembley in almost 50 years and likely against the NO 1 BIG CLUB that is not very reassuring at all is it?

[speeeeeeedie]

The first West Ham goal was a tough call. I've seen it replayed a couple of times since and I'm still not sure whether it was a penalty or not. What I do know is that, as soon as it happened, I said "penalty". If Emerton had stayed on his feet and ushered Tevez away from goal (as he should have done) there wouldn't have been an issue. Although Tevez made a meal of it, Emerton did dive in stupidly and he didn't get the ball. I can understand why it was given, even if it wasn't necessarily the correct decision.

So, to say that we were winning is unfair imo. We were drawing and on the back foot when the real incompetence occured - a position we'd allowed ourselves to get in by simply arsing about once we'd gone a goal up.

I'm not trying to let the officials off the hook - I thought they were crap throughout - but I also think that too many people are dismissing the teams (non-)performance after we'd gone in front.

Spot on Scotty. Emerton went to ground. Tevez fell. It was obvious that Emerton didn't touch the ball: Penalty. Emerton did not catch Tevez with his trailing foot, Tevez slipped. I thought penalty too, even though the replay proved otherwise, to me anyway. I still can't explain the second though.

[thenodrog]

Who, was it last season, had the ball two yards over the line there and it wasn't given?

Spurs and Pedro Mendes I think.

[Manchester Blue]

The first West Ham goal was a tough call. I've seen it replayed a couple of times since and I'm still not sure whether it was a penalty or not. What I do know is that, as soon as it happened, I said "penalty". If Emerton had stayed on his feet and ushered Tevez away from goal (as he should have done) there wouldn't have been an issue. Although Tevez made a meal of it, Emerton did dive in stupidly and he didn't get the ball. I can understand why it was given, even if it wasn't necessarily the correct decision.

So, to say that we were winning is unfair imo. We were drawing and on the back foot when the real incompetence occured - a position we'd allowed ourselves to get in by simply arsing about once we'd gone a goal up.

I'm not trying to let the officials off the hook - I thought they were crap throughout - but I also think that too many people are dismissing the teams (non-)performance after we'd gone in front.

As Den says if you're still not sure then you can;t give it. For decisions of such importance the officials have to be sure. For my money it wasn't a penalty, I think Tevez slipped as he tried to turn but it's not just that incident. The officials got every big decision wrong.

Of course the players were poor but they were at least good enough to get themselves into a winning position against an awful West Ham side that Tevez aside were terrible and didn't deserve a thing, let alone gifts like those from the officials.

Every single paper has come out and stated that the officials cost us the game but sometimes our own fans want to ignore the obvious and criticise the team instead.

[thenodrog]

I'm not trying to defend Jim's incompetence. I agree it was an all-round inept display that would from anyone else have had me questioning whether he was taking a backhander, but I am defending Jim's integrity because, on this occasion, I can, as I know the bloke.

Yeah dead right gumboots. Imagine people thinking that a senior officer who has worked in the Police Drug squad would ever be susceptable to taking a bribe!

[roversmum]

In that case, not only does the guy need banning from ever taking part in football at any level again, he needs thorough investigation. I wouldn't be surprised if we find that he has to wear contact lenses and forgot to put them in.

Look, gumboots, I'm sure you are right when you say Jim is a nice guy and all that stuff.

Could you though, please have a little word in his ear and mention that it's his decision about offsides, notAnton Ferdinand's?

[Pugg]

Look, gumboots, I'm sure you are right when you say Jim is a nice guy and all that stuff.

Could you though, please have a little word in his ear and mention that it's his decision about offsides, notAnton Ferdinand's?

Classic

[Exiled_Rover]

In that case, not only does the guy need banning from ever taking part in football at any level again, he needs thorough investigation. I wouldn't be surprised if we find that he has to wear contact lenses and forgot to put them in.

I wouldn't go that far. If he's so desperate to run the line I'm sure there's a job in the Sunday Leagues for him.

He certainly should never officiate in the Premiership again though.

[Paul Mellelieu]

I wonder how long it will be until we see Mr webb and Mr Devine at EP again.

Let's open a book.

A think you're being rather harsh Scotty. First half was no contest, the second was even.

[roversmum]

I wonder how long it will be until we see Mr webb and Mr Devine at EP again.

Let's open a book.

Rovers vs Reading. Sun 15th May.

Brad sent off for saving a shot on goal, thus denying a scoring opportunity.