[Archived] Friedel Deal For Love, Not Money

[waynerovers]

glad to see his red card has been overturned, his record will continue, go on big brad

[mick]

stupid refs are now questioning the decision to overturn the red card by the fa. it was never a penalty. in fact torres should have been given a foul against him for careening into the keeper. if we protect the right of keepers to actually challenge strikers then we might get rid of all this diving in the box.

[Shabani]

I dont understand why they couldn't have taken the penalty and if the striker didnt score then send the keeper off. All the keep did was deny a goalscoring oppurtunity which the striker then got and scored.

[dellinsert]

Anyone read his book yet?

[Eddie]

I dont understand why they couldn't have taken the penalty and if the striker didnt score then send the keeper off. All the keep did was deny a goalscoring oppurtunity which the striker then got and scored.

What happens if the keeper injures the player? What if it is the 94th minute of a final and the keeper knows he may as well take him down under that principle and then hope to save the penalty?

[Shabani]

Im sorry

If the challenge clearly isnt dangerous and all it does it stop a player from shooting at goal, then the red card should only occur if the penalty is missed. there was no guarantee that Torres would've scored that chance if Friedel had not fouled him and the same applies to the penalty. There is no point sending him off if the penalty is scored

[Hughesy]

stupid refs are now questioning the decision to overturn the red card by the fa. it was never a penalty. in fact torres should have been given a foul against him for careening into the keeper. if we protect the right of keepers to actually challenge strikers then we might get rid of all this diving in the box.

They aint stupid, the FA are. They are simply asking the FA to clear it up. The rule is that if the keeper stops a player clean through, but doesnt get the ball then its a pen & a straight red, yet they overturned it - hence why the board want to know the reasoning behind it.

[Eddie]

Im sorry

If the challenge clearly isnt dangerous and all it does it stop a player from shooting at goal, then the red card should only occur if the penalty is missed. there was no guarantee that Torres would've scored that chance if Friedel had not fouled him and the same applies to the penalty. There is no point sending him off if the penalty is scored

All you would see is a keeper taking a player down the majority of the time then, there's very little incentive not to.

[robbo_rovers]

I was watching the game with my dad, and when the red card came out he was complaining saying there was no point as Liverpool already had the game won. Thats not the point, he denied a goalscoring chance, and in my opinion it probably was a red. If he was to get a yellow card because the game was won this isn't fair as he could have a stormer next game when he shouldn't have even been playing.

[thenodrog]

They aint stupid, the FA are. They are simply asking the FA to clear it up. The rule is that if the keeper stops a player clean through, but doesnt get the ball then its a pen & a straight red, yet they overturned it - hence why the board want to know the reasoning behind it.

Are the referees totally thick? There is no question to answer cos a foul was not committed! Bloody obvious that the FA chucked the red card out cos BF didn't commit a foul. He was stationary and Torres ran into him. Check it out http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2252564/

A player is not required to actually leap out of the way of an onrushing opponenet yet is he? Or have I missed something? The ref was way wrong and probably a homer at heart. Significant that at Ewood diouff got the ###### end of the Torres stick as the ref was over protective in favour of the keeper.

btw nobody's mentioned it yet but it was a horrendous touch by Torres when he kicked the ball way too far in front of him........... or are we not permitted to say that about his geniusness?

[modes98]

Thats not the point, he denied a goalscoring chance, and in my opinion it probably was a red.

But he didn't deny a goal scoring opportunity. Had Friedel stood up even more than he was, because he didn't slide in and take him out, then Torres would have had to take the ball to the left of the goal, where Reo Coker was covering. By that logic Torres wouldn't have had a clear goal scoring opportunity and neither was Friedel the last man. I'm not saying this because its Friedel, it's because it makes sense.

At the end of the day the goalkeeper is there to stop the opposition scoring. Friedel made no movement towards Torres to take him out and in fact actually tried to move out of his way.

[herbergeehh]

Goalkeeper, defender, striker - no difference:

Torres moves the ball away from Friedel, who is absolutely static at the time. Torres continues his run, into the statue of Friedel.

In the sport handball, which is a lot more popular sport in other countries, than in England, there's a quite common infringement: Thrusting (my translation).

Touching the ball to one side doesn't make running into people legal, not to mention an infringement. The situation in question should end in a free kick to Aston Villa, nothing else.

[DE.]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A51135824

Oh dear. Not the first type of comment I've seen from Villa fans either.

[Tom]

I still think Ince's decision to swap Brad for Robbo was inspired, this season he has been a step down from the Brad of yesterday but in reality they are heading in opposite directions.

Robbo was quality again today I thought.

[DE.]

Overall I agree it was one of the few good moves Ince made. Robbo's confidence seems to be coming back quickly, and the passion he has for the club is evident. He's already built up a good relationship with his team-mates and if he continues next season in the same vein of form he may well be looking at a spot in the England squad for the world cup.

Friedel, whilst I love the man, is in his twilight years and probably has one or two seasons at most left in the premier league. I think Villa fans are harsh to criticise him, as I'm sure their defenders are far more to blame than Brad... but I'm not sure buying Brad for 2M on very high wages was a smart move at all by O'Neill. If Brad was a few years younger, maybe... but I was and still am surprised they went for him at such an advanced stage in his career.

[Tom 1]

Overall I agree it was one of the few good moves Ince made. Robbo's confidence seems to be coming back quickly, and the passion he has for the club is evident. He's already built up a good relationship with his team-mates and if he continues next season in the same vein of form he may well be looking at a spot in the England squad for the world cup.

Friedel, whilst I love the man, is in his twilight years and probably has one or two seasons at most left in the premier league. I think Villa fans are harsh to criticise him, as I'm sure their defenders are far more to blame than Brad... but I'm not sure buying Brad for 2M on very high wages was a smart move at all by O'Neill. If Brad was a few years younger, maybe... but I was and still am surprised they went for him at such an advanced stage in his career.

The defenders are far more to blame than him. It made sense to sign him, a history of erratic goalkeepers such as Sorensen, Carson, Enckleman, and a defence which relied quite heavily on Martin Laursen who it was always fair to say was one game away from a big injury as has been proven, we needed someone experienced, who'd probably have to play behind multiple defensive combinations (esp with Bouma gone all season).

Villa fans like to be harsh, it's our worst fault, he's been good this season and a lot of matches could have been a whole lot uglier without the big man in goal. Robinson will do what hes always done, be brilliant in spells and the definition of woeful in others, he's a decent enough keeper though and he was cheap so I guess it made sense for Ince to sign him if Friedel wanted to move to another team.

[Montfort]

Robbo's confidence seems to be coming back quickly, and the passion he has for the club is evident. He's already built up a good relationship with his team-mates and if he continues next season in the same vein of form he may well be looking at a spot in the England squad for the world cup.

I think you are right. I was fairly indifferent to Robinson at the start of the season and it has been one of sucess stories of the season how he has settled in and done really well. I would think that he compares very favourably already with some of the competitors for the England job and I would hope that he is already being closely monitored

[Martin]

Anyone read his book yet?

Yes. It's a decent read.

It lacks the real detail about his time at Rovers I was hoping for.

Much of it is about his struggle for a work permit and his academy.

Top man, decent book.

[Hasta]

I still think Ince's decision to swap Brad for Robbo was inspired, this season he has been a step down from the Brad of yesterday but in reality they are heading in opposite directions.

Interesting Friedel thread

[T4E]

That made me feel a little bit ill.

[Hughesy]

Hope Heskey plays on saturday

Since his transfer - villa goals:

Heskey on pitch:

8 goals in 1110 mins(1 goal per 138.75 minutes)

Heskey not playing:

26 goals in 1226mins(1 goal per 47.15 minutes)

[LeftWinger]

Hope Heskey plays on saturday

Since his transfer - villa goals:

Heskey on pitch:

8 goals in 1110 mins(1 goal per 138.75 minutes)

Heskey not playing:

26 goals in 1226mins(1 goal per 47.15 minutes)

Interesting stats - but Heskey has a good record against us doesn't he?

[roversmum]

Oh heck, yes. He's one of those who ALWAYS scores against us. There seem to be a lot of those around just at the moment

[thenodrog]

I still think Ince's decision to swap Brad for Robbo was inspired, this season he has been a step down from the Brad of yesterday but in reality they are heading in opposite directions.

Agreed TCO. And by about 2012 they should cross over.

[Tom]

That quote was made back in May and for me it still stands now more than ever. Robbo was faultless again yesterday, shame Nelsen and Samba did their best to give them that third goal.