[Archived] Rovers Sold ??

[BrianPotter]

Sorry, it's Friday and I've been drinking...

Think I'd be drinking everyday of the week if I was a Saints fan right now

[Guided Missile]

Think I'd be drinking everyday of the week if I was a Saints fan right now

....and if you were our manager...

[nicko]

I tell you what, being an investigative journo who gets a hard on posting titbits on this site, how about finding out a little titbit about him?

Once again - judging by your phrasing of the above - you show your true colours.

You know so much and yet so little.

I 'outed' the guy, I 'outed' his backers.

Is that enough finding out for you?

Once his name came out - against his will remember - Dan Williams was contacted by several clubs desperate for cash. There's another titbit for you.

Incidentally, do you seriously believe that Blackburn Rovers and Rothschilds have been taken in by an impostor?

Glad you have had a drink...it smelt like sour grapes to me.

[Guided Missile]

Dan Williams was contacted by several clubs desperate for cash.

To be honest, Nicko, I'm just glad he's away from our club. I think you're doing a great PR job on his behalf and he might just rope in someone with real money to sink into his scheme.

I see you aren't in the business of asking hard "journalist" type questions. Here's one you are likely to avoid. If his "cash" is in Princeton Global Housing, as he told the Lancashire News, how has he made so much on the back of affordable housing sales to Africa and what is the net worth of the Company?

[philipl]

Been fun on this thread today.

My Southampton sources are not Guided Missile nor are they particularly good friends with him. But by and large their version stacks up with his.

There are too many holes in nicko's story on this one.

The question is- to what extent is he being fed (sorry nicko but I find "outing" American hedge funds by a British redtop sports freelancer a bit far fetched), to what extent good journalism and to what extent is it propaganda?

There is a history of unsuccessful bidders for football clubs having red top journos within their teams.

The web site denial and ownership story from nicko has a bunch of holes if I remember how it evolved through time correctly.

Have Blackburn Rovers or Rothschilds ever said anything about Dan Williams?

[1864roverite]

Have Blackburn Rovers or Rothschilds ever said anything about Dan Williams?

Phillip

This little lot is probably more annoying than ever to everyone who reads it. The very last comment you mentioned on your post above says it all.

We all know Rovers are talking to prospective buyers, Rovers have confirmed this.

We have all heard the many notions about Mr Williams and his proposed backers.

In order to shut all and sundry up about this subject, lets wait and see when we receive an official announcement from mr John Williams and BRFC.

ONLY THEN will everyone be satisfied about what or what is NOT happening in any proposed takeover.

Now for me, we have a football match to concentrate on, lets put it to bed once and for all until we hear from BRFC.

[Tris]

I realise that we can do nothing about the situation other than debate it but 'very cautious' would describe best my current attitude.

Put me down as being "downright sceptical"

Very cautious, downright sceptical - that's where I am as well.

For several reasons, many already articulated by others in this thread (and nothing to do with supposed internet hoaxers).

One being the amount of time this has taken. Initial contact was made in March (according to Dan Williams in his LET interview), and whatever Nicko might say - it shouldn't take 5 months for two parties to agree on a simple valuation - certainly not if both parties agree that it's a good idea to do business. So I don't believe that the delay is down to the valuation.

So my train of thought was that Mr Williams must be really really busy. Recalling this from the LET interview on June 19th.

However, the bulk of our money is in the housing business, in a company called Princeton Global Housing. We've just signed our second contract, worth nearly a billion dollars, out in West Africa. We've just signed a $750m deal in Gabon for 15,000 houses. So the main business is Princeton Global Housing and right now we have two contracts worth north of a billion dollars.

At the time, I thought it strange that the Princeton Global website did not refer to this excellent news. It still doesn't - the last "news" was added in October 2006. Perhaps Mr Williams is so busy buying Rovers that he hasn't got time to announce billion dollar contracts on his own website.

But surely such major investment - especially in housing - would make it's own news anyway? My company recently announced £100 million of investment in Scotland, and it was all over local and national press, national tv and radio, complete with quotes, photos, background, etc, etc.

Dan Williams clearly isn't publicity shy - he wouldn't be pretenting to buy - sorry, negotiating to buy a PL football club if he was. So it's strange that on signing these "two contracts worth north of a billion dollars" to provide much needed housing in West Africa, there is no visible media coverage beyond his own words to the LET.

I just hope that the deafening silence from Rovers / Trustees side is down to politeness or the involvement of other parties. The words I really want to hear from them are "we wouldn't touch Dan Williams with a bargepole".

[nicko]

The question is- to what extent is he being fed (sorry nicko but I find "outing" American hedge funds by a British redtop sports freelancer a bit far fetched), to what extent good journalism and to what extent is it propaganda?

There is a history of unsuccessful bidders for football clubs having red top journos within their teams.

The trouble with people like you is that they would like to be reporters but don't know how.

I know how this story evolved. You don't.

In the meantime keep your bitterness to yourself.

Contact John Williams, Rothschilds, the Lancashire Evening Telegraph and ask them if the story has been correct for some time.

In the real world the opening offer was made in March. It did not hit the papers for three months because it was progressing in secret.

Perhaps you would also dispute the story that a fan saw the guy and his ally Walter Hubert at a game around about this time.

I suppose that was a figment of somebody's imagination too.

If you accuse me of being a PR man or incapable of finding out key information on my own I suggest that says more about your frustration and pumped-up arrogance than it does ab out me or my abilities.

[Tris]

Phillip

This little lot is probably more annoying than ever to everyone who reads it. The very last comment you mentioned on your post above says it all.

We all know Rovers are talking to prospective buyers, Rovers have confirmed this.

We have all heard the many notions about Mr Williams and his proposed backers.

In order to shut all and sundry up about this subject

It's not in the least bit annoying - and if you don't like it don't read the thread!

There is no reason why anyone ("all and sundry") should "shut up" about this or any other subject - and since when did you take up moderating threads?

[den]

Seems like a bit of pre=match tension is setting in.

Chill guys.

[1864roverite]

Yes Tris, just your typical spouting again. How convenient you missed the ending of the sentence and how rightly you misconstrue what it is I was saying, and for what I know not why.

I was simply saying that it is boring reading the tittle tattle about peoples personal views when in fact they know faff all about this proposed takeover OTHER than what has been reported in various media sources.

There is NO-ONE in in the know on this delicate matter and therefore there is NO-ONE qualified to comment on it. All I am saying is we shoudl wait until am official announcement is made from BRFC.

Its no good having a set to with Nicko's views, GM or whoever. Let it lie is the message I was sending. I was in no way moderating, being condescending, immature or whatever.

As for moderating ? Well I think not young man. I aint got the patience for one, nor the time or energy. I save that one for the moderators who do a quality job on this site.

[philipl]

Nicko, I am not a wannabe reporter and I am not bitter.

Why not ignore me (well you did by-pass most of my substantive points) and answer Tris' questions?

[den]

and why not, from now on, concentrate on the topic with relevant discussions, rather than trying to decide which individual knows what?

[Guided Missile]

So my train of thought was that Mr Williams must be really really busy. Recalling this from the LET interview on June 19th.

At the time, I thought it strange that the Princeton Global website did not refer to this excellent news. It still doesn't - the last "news" was added in October 2006. Perhaps Mr Williams is so busy buying Rovers that he hasn't got time to announce billion dollar contracts on his own website.

But surely such major investment - especially in housing - would make it's own news anyway? My company recently announced £100 million of investment in Scotland, and it was all over local and national press, national tv and radio, complete with quotes, photos, background, etc, etc.

Dan Williams clearly isn't publicity shy - he wouldn't be pretenting to buy - sorry, negotiating to buy a PL football club if he was. So it's strange that on signing these "two contracts worth north of a billion dollars" to provide much needed housing in West Africa, there is no visible media coverage beyond his own words to the LET.

I just hope that the deafening silence from Rovers / Trustees side is down to politeness or the involvement of other parties. The words I really want to hear from them are "we wouldn't touch Dan Williams with a bargepole".

I wonder if Dan the Man has visited these sites?

http://aftel.biz/index_files/ProjectsI.htm

Gabon housing project

15,000 housing units for the ministry of Urbanization, Habitat and lodging (approximately 550 Million usd) project. Partners are Potomac Services Corporation and Global Building Solutions of USA. All Contracts have been signed and Financing obtained and project is in implementation stage with clearing/construction set to begin July,2007.

....and....

http://www.globalbuilding.net/

Global Building Solutions is working with the government of Gabon to develop SIPs housing projects in that country. Executive Vice President of Business Development, Michael P. Murphy, recently met with Minister Mabika to discuss these plans.

His Excellency Jacques Adiahenot, Minstre d'Etat, Ministre de l'Habitat, de l'Urbanisme et des travaux Topographiques for the Government of Gabon, made a recent trip to our Charleston, SC offices in advance of a 15,000 home project underway in Gabon with Global Building Solutions. He was accompanied by his wife, as well as Directeur Général de l'Urbanisme for the Ministère de l'Habitat, Joachim Obiang Mba.

I must admit that I'm well impressed with Daniel Williams and his ability to charge $200M more than Global Building Solutions did for the same number of prefabs....I'd put him in charge of player trades at Blackburn, straight away

[nicko]

Why not ignore me (well you did by-pass most of my substantive points) and answer Tris' questions?

Which one? The delay?

I think I have explained that before...as far as I know. It was down to the valuation. It still is.

The people selling the club would not be dealing with a potential buyer over that period of time if they thought he was an impostor. Do you think they are stupid?

Why did they put out a letter to shareholders? They know something is ongoing because they have met the people involved.

I can understand any fan being concerned with who is buying their club and whether they are legit. Let the professionals decide that, not the enthusiastic amateurs.

But ask yourself something - why has no-one else come close to buying the club since it was open to offers about two years ago?

Could it be that it has always been overvalued?

Now you have someone prepared to talk serious figures, with a plan and with backers.

So what do you do? Try to run the idea down.

The first time - check it - that I made a comment was because I thought you were in danger of putting him off.

As a neutral I like to see people putting money into football. I realise for the 'old school' types that might be offensive.

Incidentally I find it interesting that someone with an axe to grind from spurned Southampton should be trying to bury the guy. If you wondered why it was a diseased set-up it has been down there for the past few years you maybe see why.

The great thing about Rovers is that you only have to deal with one seller, pay the money and then get on with it. Southampton is a mess, one board sacking members of another, clowns and jokers all about the place.

That is also one of the reasons why they are in the Championship and knackered.

Trust me, if Dan Williams is Michael Knighton is disguise I will give him the biggest kicking imaginable.

From what I have found out in recent weeks that won't be the outcome.

[Eddie]

I'd put him in charge of player trades at Blackburn, straight away

Are you American?

[Guided Missile]

Incidentally I find it interesting that someone with an axe to grind from spurned Southampton should be trying to bury the guy. If you wondered why it was a diseased set-up it has been down there for the past few years you maybe see why.

The great thing about Rovers is that you only have to deal with one seller, pay the money and then get on with it. Southampton is a mess, one board sacking members of another, clowns and jokers all about the place.

That is also one of the reasons why they are in the Championship and knackered.

Trust me, if Dan Williams is Michael Knighton is disguise I will give him the biggest kicking imaginable.

From what I have found out in recent weeks that won't be the outcome.

Attacking Southampton FC and avoiding the questions about Williams is just exposing you for what you are. You are more concerned about Daniel Williams than Blackburn Rovers. You're not a Blackburn fan, you're just a PR plant trying to make a bob or two out of the Walker trust, like your ginger paymaster.

Keep posting, though.....people can read and football fans aren't blind.

[mike at picture]

To be honest, Nicko, I'm just glad he's away from our club. I think you're doing a great PR job on his behalf and he might just rope in someone with real money to sink into his scheme.

I see you aren't in the business of asking hard "journalist" type questions. Here's one you are likely to avoid. If his "cash" is in Princeton Global Housing, as he told the Lancashire News, how has he made so much on the back of affordable housing sales to Africa and what is the net worth of the Company?

I'm puzzled as to why you are getting involved if you are pleased that Daniel Williams is no longer interested in taking over at Southampton.

Why would it matter to you whether or not he was successfull with Rovers?

[Ste B]

Attacking Southampton FC and avoiding the questions about Williams is just exposing you for what you are. You are more concerned about Daniel Williams than Blackburn Rovers. You're not a Blackburn fan, you're just a PR plant trying to make a bob or two out of the Walker trust, like your ginger paymaster.

Keep posting, though.....people can read and football fans aren't blind.

It does seem like you are a little bitter at being spurned. I could probably fake the evidence you've provided re the web sites in about 20 minutes. Though maybe its possible they accidentally published an intranet onto the net and are trying to cover their backs.

I can't see what Nicko has to gain, obviously his interest is to sell stories to the national press.

That said, something doesnt appear to add up. Time will tell I guess.

[nicko]

Attacking Southampton FC and avoiding the questions about Williams is just exposing you for what you are. You are more concerned about Daniel Williams than Blackburn Rovers. You're not a Blackburn fan, you're just a PR plant trying to make a bob or two out of the Walker trust, like your ginger paymaster.

A PR plant?

You crack me up, Rupert.

Avoid questions about Dan Williams?

You wouldn't know who he was until the story came out. Who found out about his backers?

When did I say I was a Rovers fan?

My allegiances are well-known.

Make a bob or two out of Walker Trust? What?

Ginger paymaster? Wow.

Still I suppose that's the price you have to pay for being in that 'red top' world the working class inhabit.

Your snobbery betrays you.

[EwoodGlory]

Surely your name should be Misguided Missile?

Go back and play on the Southampton boards will you

[rebelmswar]

He's just a sour Southampton board member mad because his cornflakes have wee wee in them and has decided to break our crayons as well as his.

[mike at picture]

A PR plant?

You crack me up, Rupert.

Avoid questions about Dan Williams?

You wouldn't know who he was until the story came out. Who found out about his backers?

When did I say I was a Rovers fan?

My allegiances are well-known.

Make a bob or two out of Walker Trust? What?

Ginger paymaster? Wow.

Still I suppose that's the price you have to pay for being in that 'red top' world the working class inhabit.

Your snobbery betrays you.

Surely this "Rupert" you refer to wouldn't be a hockey loving Funeral Director?

Would it?

[Guided Missile]

I'm puzzled as to why you are getting involved if you are pleased that Daniel Williams is no longer interested in taking over at Southampton.

Why would it matter to you whether or not he was successfull with Rovers?

Actually, you're right, it shouldn't matter. I thought for a minute about the brotherhood of football fans, but hey, those days are long gone.

The real question you should be asking yourself is why Nicko is getting so involved on Williams side. PR plant, definitely...

[Spansterkid]

What would Nicko have to gain from misleading the few hundred(?) Rovers fans that come on this website?