[Archived] Bellamy

[den]

Maybe clubs can't sign, then loan players within 12 months. Wonder if that's the rule USA's thinking of?

[herbergeehh]

To add to the confusion - isn't the rule "the player can play for only two different clubs within 12 months"?

[USABlue]

Can't see that being the case USA.

Why do you ask this? Do you feel that Williams, Hughes knew that it wouldn't work out and he would be looking to come back, but thought he would upset the squad too much. Would think that we would have first refusal if anything.

The reason I ask is that somewhere in my faded memory it seems I had heard that a player transferred can not resign for the club for 12 months or something along those lines, nothing todo with JW or MH. Of course I could be well off track, it would not be the first time, to add I would love to see him back here.

[stuwilky]

There is some rule, but I dont recall the exact terms.

[Radagast]

The reason I ask is that somewhere in my faded memory it seems I had heard that a player transferred can not resign for the club for 12 months or something along those lines, nothing todo with JW or MH. Of course I could be well off track, it would not be the first time, to add I would love to see him back here.

I seem to remember the new transfer rules of a few years ago stating that a player cannot move clubs in the same league more than once in a 12 month period.

[rover_groo]

The reason I ask is that somewhere in my faded memory it seems I had heard that a player transferred can not resign for the club for 12 months or something along those lines, nothing todo with JW or MH. Of course I could be well off track, it would not be the first time, to add I would love to see him back here.

Fair enough USAB, I trust you high intelligence.

I initially though that you were on about this being drawn into his contract. I can't seem to think that either one of Liverpools or Arsenal players returned to their last clubs (within a year of moving) a few years back. Or maybe it my mind in over-time!

[Eddie]

I think it is that players under the age of 24 cannot transfer twice within the same season.

[joey_big_nose]

How can you remotely dislike him for that Joey? We've gone over this time and tima again, but can you not realise that if he had confirmed the clause then he would have been accused of looking to want away from Rovers 3 months before the season was over. I certainly don't think that it was an intentional lie. I spoke to him during the last game of the season and without the media surrounding him, he then confirmed the clause.

Look, from my point of view I do not think that anybody should directly lie to anyone, least of all the fans. It was not neccesary and I, for one, would have had no problem whatsoever if he had said he had a clause when asked. Clearly it was the reson, along with Hughes being our manager, he signed for rovers and thats fair enough.

I don't think any of the fans would have had a problem with it, such is life. THats how we got him instead of Brum, Pompey or Wigan. Bellamy held all the cards in the transfer, not us. If a very good left back was available to be signed tomorrow provided a clause was inserted in his contract saying he move on for a pittance would we care? I doubt it. Obviously we would expect our management to do their utmost to remove the clause, but if the player, who we desperately need, insists upon it and will sign for someone else if we do not insert it we have to accept that. That's how negotiation works.

You would have to be a fool to think that if a player and his agent have gone to the trouble demanding a clause they have also not made it abundantly clear to possible future clubs that the clause is there. Whether he announces it in the media is of little relevence, as can be abundantly seen in his eventual signing by Liverpool.

And how was it not an intentional lie? He told the LET face to face, knowing that it was going to be published, that he had no clause.

The only possible reason for him lying is a) to reduce media speculation to prevent a minority of fans getting on his back about it. A has some merit, but then I think selling your best striker for 6 million after you have said there is no clause is a bit more of a PR hit. And Part B is just pure cowardice- if you ask for something you should be prepared to deal with the concequences of it.

Personally I think those two things make up a small price for telling the truth, and I think a great many other footballers would have told the truth or evaded the question in a similar situation.

[roversmum]

All he needed to say was that the contract was between him and the club.

[thenodrog]

I seem to remember the new transfer rules of a few years ago stating that a player cannot move clubs in the same league more than once in a 12 month period.

I think Dietmar Hamman did just that in the close season although I don't think he ever played for Notlob.

[rover_groo]

It was not neccesary and I, for one, would have had no problem whatsoever if he had said he had a clause when asked.

I don't think any of the fans would have had a problem with it, such is life.

Personally I think those two things make up a small price for telling the truth, and I think a great many other footballers would have told the truth or evaded the question in a similar situation.

Joey. that has to be one of the biggest lie ever told there!!

If he had announced it then and there and the supporters were getting on his back, I really feel that you would have joined the list of supporters saying.....

"Thats a disgrace looking for a minimal release clause, does he not want to play for us??"

"How dare he use us as a stepping stone"

"I can't believe we even went into discussions over a release cause to sign him up"

"We're better off with players who actually want to play and stay at Ewood".

You really have to look at the bigger picture. I'm sure he was probably advised by his agent and quite possibly the club to denine any knowledge about this clause. Can you imagine the support dying down for the club so early on during the season and hence our high hopes for 6th place.

He was an essential part of our team last season and scored some great goals to ensure we finished high up in the league. I feel that if any other club came in for Bellamy apart from Barca, Chelsea and Mancs Utd, then he wouldn't have been looking to move to another club and signed an extension to his contract, wiping out the release clause.

I for one will remember all of what he had done for us last season and yet again we have Mr Souness to thank for that one.

[USABlue]

Isn't there a boffo amongst us that can put their finger on a definitive answer about this 12 month thing. Several of us seem to have some snippet of something but I'd like to know. Oh and thanks Eddie for confusing it even more, in a friendly way you understand.

As for the clause, no I don't like him lieing about it but some good points are made as to why he might. Bottom line for me is Ienjoyed the hell out of watching him play for us, the anticipation that he could make something happen in a flash of brilliance or turn of pace was always there. I am also sure his mere presence impacted the way other teams played us giving the rest of the team more time and space.

I'd fly over there and carry his bags if he wanted to come back.

[Presty On Tour]

id give u a hand carrying those bags too usablue.

[Perth_Rover]

I think it is that players under the age of 24 cannot transfer twice within the same season.

yeah, i always thought it was players 23 and under can't move within 12 months of previosuly moving

[gumboots]

But has there been the vaguest suggestion he might even consider coming back? To do so would surely be to admit the huge mistake he made in leaving us and I can't somehow see him doing that, at least not yet. He still has every chance of success at Liverpool, if he could lighten up and stop feeling he has to be a huge success every time he comes on the pitch. Whether you play well or badly on a one match basis makes little difference to Benitez and if Bellamy could just realise that scoring a hat trick doesn't guarantee you play next game just as missing three sitters doesn't guarantee you'll be dropped, he could do well. I don't see him wanting to move - unless they give him the elbow - and then he'd probably look for a big pay day to make up for it.

[Ozz]

I really think it's a case now of Craig who? Time to move on folks.

[Fife Rover]

I really think it's a case now of Craig who? Time to move on folks.

I think you are right Ozzie. He had a glorious chance to settle at a club where he was treated as a hero from day 1, played under a manager that understood him and there was mutual respect both ways, fans that adored him, was playing right at the top of his game, and was finally offered a contract that he will never equal let alone better. How did he respond? He blew it! End of story.

[AxesFirstTouch]

Bellamy used a 78 min sub, aww poor Craig. Crouch scores and Kuyt made both goals, looks like Craig is 3rd choice.

At this rate Bellamy wont even score 5 goals all season!

[trueblue]

Bellamy used a 78 min sub

Aye... what a waste of a cracking talent !!

The way Benitez 'meddles' with the line up each match really does my head in... Thank goodness he's at Liverpooh and not here !!

[philipl]

With Liverpool's injuries from last night, Bellamy might get a chance in his least favourite position as a right winger.

[philipl]

...or maybe not depending on the outcome of his Court case.

[Exiled_Rover]

Based on that testimony, it's a nothing case.

[promoted2001]

"Ms Palmer said she suffered bruising to her arms and neck and scarring on her chest from recent surgery started to bleed."

Boob job

[AxesFirstTouch]

"Ms Palmer said she suffered bruising to her arms and neck and scarring on her chest from recent surgery started to bleed."

Boob job

new pacemaker

[thenodrog]

Liposuction?