[Archived] Bellamy

[bluebruce]

Don't blame Bellers in the least, being a Liverpool supporter he took them at face value.

It's pretty obvious to me though. Don't think Benitez really wanted him in the first place, he just didn't want us to have him and couldn't resist the bargain. If the rumours are true, he's at it again. Don't believe for one minute he wants Morten at all, just doesn't want us to have him. Tried to shaft us with the Lucas/Warnock deal too .

Sorry Roversmum, but I think you're being a touch deluded there, as much as Benitez gets on my wick. I think he couldn't resist the bargain, but I do think he thought he'd be a handy player. And they were trying to stiff us with the Lucas/Warnock thing, yes. However, I really, really don't think that Benitez considers us of any consequence to Liverpool. There is no way they are buying players to weaken us, as we simply aren't competition for them. There's a chance they want these players so other top four teams don't get them, however, but that's more the tactic of united and chelsea.

[Tris]

It's amazing how many people are prepared to sell MGP down the river in order to get Bellamy back - and fairly amazing how many people just want Bellamy back, given the way he left.

Bellamy popped into Ewood for a year, lied to the fans about his contract, and then b*ggered off at the first opportunity.

Now there are people like LeChuck (above) who would welcome Bellamy back even if he did the same again!

Rovers and MGP agreed a contract only 10 months ago to keep him at Ewood until 2010.

But there are loads of fans posting in this thread who want Rovers to get Bellamy back this summer - even by forcing MGP out of the club if that's what it takes.

So much for loyalty and contracts!

It makes the reaction on here towards Lucas Neill look pathetic - 70+ pages of rants slagging off a player who didn't break any contract and gave 7 years of great service.

And now the same forum gives a clear message that it's OK for Rovers to ditch a (damned good) player with whom a new contract was signed less than a year ago, in order to re-sign a player who blatently used us as a stepping stone.

[NOTE - I don't deny that Bellamy and Benni up front would be an awesome prospect. But not at any price, and certainly not at the expense of Rovers integrity on player contracts and MGP to boot. And at the same time, those who directed outrage at Neill but would welcome Bellamy back at any price need to take a look at themselves!!]

[cravenblue]

It's amazing how many people are prepared to sell MGP down the river in order to get Bellamy back - and fairly amazing how many people just want Bellamy back, given the way he left.

Bellamy popped into Ewood for a year, lied to the fans about his contract, and then b*ggered off at the first opportunity.

Now there are people like LeChuck (above) who would welcome Bellamy back even if he did the same again!

Rovers and MGP agreed a contract only 10 months ago to keep him at Ewood until 2010.

But there are loads of fans posting in this thread who want Rovers to get Bellamy back this summer - even by forcing MGP out of the club if that's what it takes.

So much for loyalty and contracts!

It makes the reaction on here towards Lucas Neill look pathetic - 70+ pages of rants slagging off a player who didn't break any contract and gave 7 years of great service.

And now the same forum gives a clear message that it's OK for Rovers to ditch a (damned good) player with whom a new contract was signed less than a year ago, in order to re-sign a player who blatently used us as a stepping stone.

[NOTE - I don't deny that Bellamy and Benni up front would be an awesome prospect. But not at any price, and certainly not at the expense of Rovers integrity on player contracts and MGP to boot. And at the same time, those who directed outrage at Neill but would welcome Bellamy back at any price need to take a look at themselves!!]

[cravenblue]

It's amazing how many people are prepared to sell MGP down the river in order to get Bellamy back - and fairly amazing how many people just want Bellamy back, given the way he left.

Bellamy popped into Ewood for a year, lied to the fans about his contract, and then b*ggered off at the first opportunity.

Now there are people like LeChuck (above) who would welcome Bellamy back even if he did the same again!

Rovers and MGP agreed a contract only 10 months ago to keep him at Ewood until 2010.

But there are loads of fans posting in this thread who want Rovers to get Bellamy back this summer - even by forcing MGP out of the club if that's what it takes.

So much for loyalty and contracts!

It makes the reaction on here towards Lucas Neill look pathetic - 70+ pages of rants slagging off a player who didn't break any contract and gave 7 years of great service.

And now the same forum gives a clear message that it's OK for Rovers to ditch a (damned good) player with whom a new contract was signed less than a year ago, in order to re-sign a player who blatently used us as a stepping stone.

[NOTE - I don't deny that Bellamy and Benni up front would be an awesome prospect. But not at any price, and certainly not at the expense of Rovers integrity on player contracts and MGP to boot. And at the same time, those who directed outrage at Neill but would welcome Bellamy back at any price need to take a look at themselves!!]

agreed. wise words indeed

[Rainmaker]

I'd like to echo Tris' words too.

[EwoodGlory]

Bellamy popped into Ewood for a year, lied to the fans about his contract, and then b*ggered off at the first opportunity.

He left to play for the club he supported as a kid, who in their right mind would turn that down, and the chance to play in the Champions league.

If he is available in the summer, he will have plenty of offers so we'll see if he wants to play for Rovers or not.

Pedersen and McCarthy have both hinted about wanting a move to Man Utd. If Pedersen gets the chance to move there this summer, im sure he'll jump at it, and thats only 12 months on from signing a 4 year deal

[tcj_jones]

You're right about Neill, he didn't really deserve any abuse, but I'd definately have Bellamy back. I wouldn't want to get rid of MGP in the process though.

People really are soft if they feel aggrieved that a footballer lied and wanted to leave to both further their career and to play for the team they support. What I didn't understand, and still don't, is why people are so angry that he lied about a clause when, by telling the truth, he would have made it clear for the world to know and kept fans uneasy.

I would also have Bellamy back, just for him to leave again the next season, if he were to push us back into Europe before he left. As long, of course, as we didn't lose any money, in terms of transfer fees, in the process.

We talk about integrity and contracts, but they both mean nothing in football and if people don't think that Pedersen is using Blackburn as a stepping stone to one of the big four, or a big club abroad then, frankly, they are absolutely blinkered!

[mike at picture]

It's amazing how many people are prepared to sell MGP down the river in order to get Bellamy back - and fairly amazing how many people just want Bellamy back, given the way he left.

Bellamy popped into Ewood for a year, lied to the fans about his contract, and then b*ggered off at the first opportunity.

Now there are people like LeChuck (above) who would welcome Bellamy back even if he did the same again!

Rovers and MGP agreed a contract only 10 months ago to keep him at Ewood until 2010.

But there are loads of fans posting in this thread who want Rovers to get Bellamy back this summer - even by forcing MGP out of the club if that's what it takes.

So much for loyalty and contracts!

It makes the reaction on here towards Lucas Neill look pathetic - 70+ pages of rants slagging off a player who didn't break any contract and gave 7 years of great service.

And now the same forum gives a clear message that it's OK for Rovers to ditch a (damned good) player with whom a new contract was signed less than a year ago, in order to re-sign a player who blatently used us as a stepping stone.

[NOTE - I don't deny that Bellamy and Benni up front would be an awesome prospect. But not at any price, and certainly not at the expense of Rovers integrity on player contracts and MGP to boot. And at the same time, those who directed outrage at Neill but would welcome Bellamy back at any price need to take a look at themselves!!]

Lucas Neill lied and thought he was the mutt's nuts conveniently forgetting at least 4 yaers of sh1te.

Neither accusations can be levelled at Craig Bellamy,

[Tris]

Lucas Neill lied and thought he was the mutt's nuts conveniently forgetting at least 4 yaers of sh1te.

Neither accusations can be levelled at Craig Bellamy,

And with a contribution as blinkered and as one-eyed as that, the point is well and truly nailed home.

Thank you MAP.

[mike at picture]

And with a contribution as blinkered and as one-eyed as that, the point is well and truly nailed home.

Thank you MAP.

How so?

[gumboots]

I'm really glad that Mark Hughes and not some of the posters on here is in charge of our team. People seem to think it's so easy to replace players with others who can settle in quickly to the team, the club and the area. It's not. Look at how much money is wasted by clubs trying to find a replacement for players they've sold. Pedersen is not irreplaceable but it would still be very difficult to replace him, and I don't for one minute think that Mark Hughes wants to be placed in the position of having to do so. He might like Bellamy back but I think he'd have to think long and hard about all his options before he decided to go for it if it meant losing Morten.

[RevidgeBlue]

It's amazing how many people are prepared to sell MGP down the river in order to get Bellamy back - and fairly amazing how many people just want Bellamy back, given the way he left.

Bellamy popped into Ewood for a year, lied to the fans about his contract, and then b*ggered off at the first opportunity.

Now there are people like LeChuck (above) who would welcome Bellamy back even if he did the same again!

Rovers and MGP agreed a contract only 10 months ago to keep him at Ewood until 2010.

But there are loads of fans posting in this thread who want Rovers to get Bellamy back this summer - even by forcing MGP out of the club if that's what it takes.

So much for loyalty and contracts!

It makes the reaction on here towards Lucas Neill look pathetic - 70+ pages of rants slagging off a player who didn't break any contract and gave 7 years of great service.

And now the same forum gives a clear message that it's OK for Rovers to ditch a (damned good) player with whom a new contract was signed less than a year ago, in order to re-sign a player who blatently used us as a stepping stone.

[NOTE - I don't deny that Bellamy and Benni up front would be an awesome prospect. But not at any price, and certainly not at the expense of Rovers integrity on player contracts and MGP to boot. And at the same time, those who directed outrage at Neill but would welcome Bellamy back at any price need to take a look at themselves!!]

I may be mistaken here but in your haste to have a pop at all and sundry I think you're completely missing the point.

I don't think any one is actively advocating "ditching" MGP as you so diplomatically put it.

I think everyone is saying that in the event MGP WANTS to leave for one of the "big four" then we're not going to get a much better deal than a swap for Bellamy. (Although I'd ask for 3m on top as well)

Hopefully neither MGP nor Friedel/Nelsen/Samba/Savage/Reid/Bentley/MGP/McCarthy/Derbyshire etc will want to leave in the forseeable future. The only way forward long term is to keep our best players and build around them.

As regards the rest of your post both Neill and Bellamy screwed Rovers over a barrel to maximise their own financial position as they're perfectly entitled to do.

The difference is, Neill is an extremely average player whereas Bellamy hit world class heights on occasion during his season with us, therefore we'd be stupid to turn down his return if there was a chance of it happening.

Hopefully in a cash only deal.

[pick32]

think it is important to keep are top players like pedersen, why get bellamy and weakin the left side by swaping mgp when we could jus pay the whole fee for bellamy or just sign someone like lita or nugent.

[AggyBlue]

Bellamy only came to Ewood because we were his 'last chance saloon'

He thought he was too big for our club, hence the clause in his contract.

The only way he would come back to Ewood, if Liverpool do show him the door, is if there are no other serious offers for him.

[RevidgeBlue]

The only way he would come back to Ewood, if Liverpool do show him the door, is if there are no other serious offers for him.

Sadly, probably true.

There's no concrete evidence to suggest he will be leaving Anfield other than paper tittle tattle and even if he does, we'll be in a fairly long line of potential suitors.

[Tango]

When Bellamy was at Blackburn he was a class act. Without him I don't think we'd have reached the heights of a top-6 finish, perhaps illustrated by the failure to be up there this time around. In this day-and-age, the fact that players will always be looking to make a step up in the calibre of teams they play for and the competitions they play in has to be taken on the chin. In terms of the release clause, it was undoubtedly negotiated by an agent looking to get his client a better deal - as he is paid to do - and, ultimately, claim a slice of a second signing-on fee in the space of a year. Given the chance, I'd have Bellamy back at Ewood in a heartbeat.

[joey_big_nose]

I may be mistaken here but in your haste to have a pop at all and sundry I think you're completely missing the point.

I don't think any one is actively advocating "ditching" MGP as you so diplomatically put it.

I think everyone is saying that in the event MGP WANTS to leave for one of the "big four" then we're not going to get a much better deal than a swap for Bellamy. (Although I'd ask for 3m on top as well)

Hopefully neither MGP nor Friedel/Nelsen/Samba/Savage/Reid/Bentley/MGP/McCarthy/Derbyshire etc will want to leave in the forseeable future. The only way forward long term is to keep our best players and build around them.

As regards the rest of your post both Neill and Bellamy screwed Rovers over a barrel to maximise their own financial position as they're perfectly entitled to do.

The difference is, Neill is an extremely average player whereas Bellamy hit world class heights on occasion during his season with us, therefore we'd be stupid to turn down his return if there was a chance of it happening.

Hopefully in a cash only deal.

Spot on Rev. I have no desire for rovers to "sell Pedersen down the river". If Pedersen went to the manager and said "I would rather play for you than Liverpool in the CL" that should be applauded and he shouldbe kept.

The point is that is an exceedingly unlikely scenario. If any of our players are seriously wanted (ie. not just to warm the bench) by a top our club four chances are pretty much zero in terms of keeping him.

[Exiled in Toronto]

Am I alone in thinking Benni and Bellers would not gel at all? Benni is a poacher who scores mostly converting crosses in the 6 yard box, and very good at it he is too. He has zero assists so far this season. Bellers, as we know, demands much of his team mates so the site of Benni loafing around waiting for Bellers to tee him up could well result in Bellers unzipping the mashie-niblick once again, only this time halfway through a match.

Bellamy wouldn't come back unless the team was being built around him

[joey_big_nose]

Am I alone in thinking Benni and Bellers would not gel at all? Benni is a poacher who scores mostly converting crosses in the 6 yard box, and very good at it he is too. He has zero assists so far this season. Bellers, as we know, demands much of his team mates so the site of Benni loafing around waiting for Bellers to tee him up could well result in Bellers unzipping the mashie-niblick once again, only this time halfway through a match.

Bellamy wouldn't come back unless the team was being built around him

I think they would work well together. Bellamy runs the channels at incredible speed forcing the opposition defence back which in turn will create more space for Benni in the box. Part of the reason that Benni has had poor games is that he gets isolated outside the last third because whoever we are playing push the back line up. He lacks the pace to cause them trouble when their is a significant distance between him and the goal.

Roberts on the bench would give us a option of power too if we wanted to force knock downs for Bellamy to chase.

But you are correct in saying they couldn't be more different in terms of workrate.

[LeChuck]

Bellamy said he loved playing with Kluivert at Newcastle, accidently saying he preferred playing with him to Shearer, then quickly backtracking and (jokily) blaming the interviewee of tricking him.

Kind of blows the work-rate theory out of the water.

[philipl]

The Bellamy/Benni combo is an intriguing one which will bring many contributions in this thread. There are as many arguments why it will work as there is evidence it wouldn't. My gut feel is that Sparky knows what he is doing. People with massive (and fragile) egos are often the easiest to manage if you find the right formula. Of course managing the two of them one season apart is different from managing Benni and Bellamy on the same training field or karaoke bar.

On last night's evidence, Bellars is a step closer to the Anfield exit. Clearly he does not fit into that Liverpool side very well. He looked a pale shadow of the player who had given Chelski a real headache when playing for Rovers and that could be a problem for Rovers if he has really lost his edge- I still think it is there to be reawoken.

Sparky is handling the psychological side of things very well- "Craig has demanding high standards" and being almost alone to publicly say supportive things over the nutter with the putter episode. Remains to be seen if all the other sides of a deal can be pulled together but the fact Sparky has us in there as a realistic potential destination for Bellamy (the most likely if you read some of the press this week) speaks volumes for our Manager.

Incidentally, the MGP link is just the press making two plus two equal any number bigger than four. If Liverpool couldn't make the Neill/Warnock swap work, why on earth would Bellamy/MGP work as a deal?

Let's just say that getting the best out of Bellars and Benni in tandem is a challenge I relish seeing at Ewood next season and seemingly is one that Mark Hughes is relishing as well which is all that really matters.

[Eddie]

Am I alone in thinking Benni and Bellers would not gel at all? Benni is a poacher who scores mostly converting crosses in the 6 yard box, and very good at it he is too. He has zero assists so far this season. Bellers, as we know, demands much of his team mates so the site of Benni loafing around waiting for Bellers to tee him up could well result in Bellers unzipping the mashie-niblick once again, only this time halfway through a match.

Bellamy wouldn't come back unless the team was being built around him

How many assists do any of our strikers have? We have changed our front two regularly, we've really yet to form a solid partnership and see really good link-up play.

[Cocker]

and Gonzalez.

NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[bubblerrovers]

I think everyone wasting there time!!! Bellers will not come back so why not end this thread it simply will not happen, He has too much pride to come back, besides if MGP go i can't him going anywhere than Spurs, Jol said yesterday his bigest priority is 2 left footed players, i'm just praying there is no release clause

[Eddie]

Lucky for us MGP isn't left footed.