[Archived] July 1st

[Claytons Left Boot]

Personally CLB I much prefer stale tobacco to stale sweat.

So do I

Luckily, I don't sweat, unless Rovers are three down at Turf Moor in the FA Cup.

[Presty On Tour]

the ban has been in wales now for a few months.

its working well, it is an eye sore though seing big groups of people smoking away outside the pubs on the streets etc.

i think as its the summer its alright if the establishment has a nice beer garden etc.

when the winter comes and the weather changes then there is going to be complaints.

the only problem so far is people who dont smoke go outside with the smokers to socialise meaning that the pub is almost empty, easy to get served though.

[ewoodblue]

So do I

Luckily, I don't sweat, unless Rovers are three down at Turf Moor in the FA Cup.

Then that means your not going to sweat for many decades to come ,maybe never in your lifetime.

[SAS]

I for one cannot wait

When i want to go a pub now i have to deal with people poisening me with toxic fumes, i have no choice

thankfully i do next week

[ewoodblue]

From a response to that article..... If true about that shower it does not suprise me one bit BUT it should not be allowed to happen....

"I have heard that the MPS in Westminister are to be allowed to continue smoking in certain areas of the Commons. I thought it applied to all Public Buildings but there again Politicians and the Quacks seem to forget its through Tobacco revenue that Pays their Ridiculouse Salaries. Makes you think one law for them one law for us lot. Wake up UK and tell these people its you who elects this lot not the other way round that many Politicians seem to forget."

Well,that's the problem, too many double standards.They can enforce the law all they like, but people will rebel.Afterall a cigarette is a legal substance,. and solictors will be loving this.Once again doesn't this stinkk of fine culture gone mad ,again.The lies about caring for environment and the bin wars,and other stuff including cars etc...it all comes back to one thing"fines"

That guy last week outside tesco, who was sounding off all high and mighty, his atitude was wrong, I asked him then where are there any signs saying don't smoke,and why two minutes away is there a store selling Cigarettes right as you go in the entrance.

Saying that, a lot is being done to help smokers,and from people that care, but trying to lay down the law and personally attack smokers is discrimination and should be treat as such.Believe me,it says fixed fines, that you can contest in a court of law.Love 'em or loathe them, that means smokers have rights.

Once again the Blair police are on the march forgetting the one important thing"Democracy"

Until they make it illegal substance, then I'm not breaking any laws, and I'll adhere by the no smoking policies, but I won't be talked to like a common criminal.

[blue phil]

"I have heard that the MPS in Westminister are to be allowed to continue smoking in certain areas of the Commons.

No surprise there .

No surprise either that the rules won't apply to prisons .

Nor will it be a surpise to me when , inevitably , non smoking prisoners start to sue the government for compensation because their human rights are being infringed ......

You heard it here first .

[AlanK]

I heard a prison guard chatting on talk sport the other day.

He said that with the new law coming in and current health and safety nonsense on the wings that if he wanted to search a prisoners cell who smokes he HAS to give the prisoner half an hours notice so that all smoke has cleared before the warden gets there for the sake of his own health. Obviously the warden isn`t going to find owt.

This country is effed up.

[thenodrog]

I heard a prison guard chatting on talk sport the other day.

He said that with the new law coming in and current health and safety nonsense on the wings that if he wanted to search a prisoners cell who smokes he HAS to give the prisoner half an hours notice so that all smoke has cleared before the warden gets there for the sake of his own health. Obviously the warden isn`t going to find owt.

No! Cos they'll have smoked it!

[neekoy]

From a response to that article..... If true about that shower it does not suprise me one bit BUT it should not be allowed to happen....

"I have heard that the MPS in Westminister are to be allowed to continue smoking in certain areas of the Commons. I thought it applied to all Public Buildings but there again Politicians and the Quacks seem to forget its through Tobacco revenue that Pays their Ridiculouse Salaries. Makes you think one law for them one law for us lot. Wake up UK and tell these people its you who elects this lot not the other way round that many Politicians seem to forget."

Well,that's the problem, too many double standards.They can enforce the law all they like, but people will rebel.Afterall a cigarette is a legal substance,. and solictors will be loving this.Once again doesn't this stinkk of fine culture gone mad ,again.The lies about caring for environment and the bin wars,and other stuff including cars etc...it all comes back to one thing"fines"

That guy last week outside tesco, who was sounding off all high and mighty, his atitude was wrong, I asked him then where are there any signs saying don't smoke,and why two minutes away is there a store selling Cigarettes right as you go in the entrance.

Saying that, a lot is being done to help smokers,and from people that care, but trying to lay down the law and personally attack smokers is discrimination and should be treat as such.Believe me,it says fixed fines, that you can contest in a court of law.Love 'em or loathe them, that means smokers have rights.

Once again the Blair police are on the march forgetting the one important thing"Democracy"

Until they make it illegal substance, then I'm not breaking any laws, and I'll adhere by the no smoking policies, but I won't be talked to like a common criminal.

No surprise there .

No surprise either that the rules won't apply to prisons .

Nor will it be a surpise to me when , inevitably , non smoking prisoners start to sue the government for compensation because their human rights are being infringed ......

You heard it here first .

Before anyone gets their panties in a knot, apparently the Westminster is a palace and not a public building, so the only person surely to make changes to smoking laws within is the Queen AND this below

"With these principles in mind, the Commission has decided that smoking should cease to be permitted from 1 July 2007 in all internal areas of the House of Commons estate, including in bars and private offices. From that date smoking will, however, be permitted in four designated external areas: the Terrace, Commons Court (North West corner), North Terrace (between Portcullis House and Norman Shaw South), and in a designated area on the west side of Canon Row courtyard. Cigarette receptacles will be provided in these areas. "No Smoking" signs will be displayed at entrances to the buildings."

Providing designated spots away from enclosed areas and entrances to buildings.

[Presty On Tour]

No surprise there .

No surprise either that the rules won't apply to prisons .

Nor will it be a surpise to me when , inevitably , non smoking prisoners start to sue the government for compensation because their human rights are being infringed ......

You heard it here first .

interesting point, this really is getting abit silly now.

[blue phil]

Your argument makes no sense , Neekoy .

If the palace is exempt then surely the whole of the palace should be exempt . Unless , of course , the "owner" of the house personally is laying down the rules (which she surely isn't ) .

If the owner of a premises IS allowed to dictate exactly where is exempt , then surely this should apply to public houses which are owned by the landlord . My watering hole is a private club yet the owners (the members) have to obey the law - they have no say !

Double standards from the hypocrites I'm afraid...they'll be telling us next their ale isn't subsidised ...

[neekoy]

Fair enough Phil, I though the house of commons and the Palace of Westminster were classed as different areas.

[LeChuck]

then surely this should apply to public houses which are owned by the landlord .

If smoking bans are to be forced in public places, then surely it has to been in public houses by definition?

[Flopsy]

A Public house/private member's club/the Houses of Parliament are workplaces (ie the bar staff, cleaners etc work in em), there is a smoking ban coming in to cover all workplaces.

Therefore you dont smoke in them

Me, although I dont smoke (clear for 3 years now thankyouvery much :smug:) I dont mind people who do. I just think that the landlords/owners/members should be able to decide whether they want to be a smoking or non-smoking pub and allow market forces to dictate which is better. I mean if you're going to ban smoking because its a health risk, surely you should be trying to ban alcohol as well.

Is my twopenniesworth anyroad

[Eddie]

Yes, but whereas smoking directly affects the health of others alcohol does not. When I walk into a bar and someone else is drinking my liver doesn't take a hit, when I walk into a bar and someone else is smoking, despite the fact that I never smoke, my lungs are damaged. It is true that other people can be hurt as a result of people making poor decisions when under the influence of alchol, but it isn't the same thing.

[broadsword]

Me, although I dont smoke (clear for 3 years now thankyouvery much :smug:) I dont mind people who do. I just think that the landlords/owners/members should be able to decide whether they want to be a smoking or non-smoking pub and allow market forces to dictate which is better. I mean if you're going to ban smoking because its a health risk, surely you should be trying to ban alcohol as well.

Barking up the wrong tree there, methinks.

Why should we ban alcohol? Is there such a thing as passive drinking then?

Why should i have to passively smoke just because I want to go to the pub? If other people want to rot their lungs and dramatically increase their chances of cancer fair play to them but leave me out of it.

"Market forces" - spoken like a true tory. We'll have to wait and see what happens but my guess would be that trade won't suffer at all and may actually increase. Something that wouldn't have happened if it was just left to the market.

[den]

I can't wait TBH. The thought of going to a nice, clean pub - no filthy ash trays on the table, no risk of clothes being burned, it's got to be good - hasn't it?

[Flopsy]

Barking up the wrong tree there, methinks.

Why should we ban alcohol? Is there such a thing as passive drinking then?

Drink drivers, drink related violence too name but two. Impact on the economy due to lost hours and days due to hangovers or going out for a few drinks at lunch and then being totally rubbish for the afternoon.

[broadsword]

No smelly clothes, either!

[broadsword]

Drink drivers, drink related violence too name but two. Impact on the economy due to lost hours and days due to hangovers or going out for a few drinks at lunch and then being totally rubbish for the afternoon.

That is simply not the same.

Every time I am near a smoker I passively smoke and that is bad for my health.

Not everyone who drinks will be idiotic enough to drink-drive or cause a ruck.

Put it another way - should we ban cars because some people are stupid enough to speed?

And how a minority of people having a boozy sesh and then being rubbish at work for the rest of the day affects my health is not quite clear.

It's just not logical, Jim.

[Flopsy]

depends whether they're your physio or surgeon.

[lockers]

Anybody in Northern Ireland reading? If so whats it like now, have most pubs and clubs provided an area outside for smoking or is everyone just sent outside the door for one? Im over to visit the parents for the weekend this weekend!

[Eddie]

depends whether they're your physio or surgeon.

Well then they are unfit to carry out their job and should be fired. If people can't act properly then no amount of legislation will prevent that, this is a far simpler and more clear-cut situation.

[broadsword]

Grasping for straws, eh flops?

[Flopsy]

only for my bottles of alcopops