modes98 Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 We need 2 wins to get into the pack above us, but where are those wins coming from ? Hull and Everton.
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RovertheHill Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 I reckon we can realistically get 39pts Hull - 1pt Everton - 1pt West Ham - 3pts Spurs - 3pts Stoke - 1pt Wigan - 3pts Man City - 1pt Portsmouth - 3pts Will that be enough?
Blue n White Rover Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 I reckon we can realistically get 39pts Hull - 1pt Everton - 1pt West Ham - 3pts Spurs - 3pts Stoke - 1pt Wigan - 3pts Man City - 1pt Portsmouth - 3pts Will that be enough? Hull is very easily winnable, so I would regard that as 3 points. With the performance we put in on Saturday and the bad run Hull are on we can gain 3 points from the KC. Everton is also a winnable game, they have lost Arteta for the season and he has always been a pain up the arse. So again that is winnable. You've missed out Fulham away. Fulham are very good at home so a point there will be good enough. West Ham are looking good at the moment, however, can be beaten with a strong performance. I would take a point from that game. Spurs again can be beaten but I don't see more than a point for us. When was the last time we beat them at home? (Gresko 1-0??) Stoke away will be a crucial game another 3 points i'm counting on. Wigan at home 3 point City away a point. Pompey at home 3 points. West Brom last game of the season is also winnable so another 3 points I also think we'll get at least a point from Liverpool,Arsenal or Chelsea. So that brings us upto a total of 45 points. I think our games against the top teams will be crucial if we are to stay in this league. Performance wise we are capable we saw that on Saturday. The key now is raising the bar each game and being more clinical in front of goal. Like I said, it's gonna be a rocky ride, but one hopefully, we'll come through comfortably.
alexanders Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 Spurs again can be beaten but I don't see more than a point for us. When was the last time we beat them at home? (Gresko 1-0??) Samba OT !
alexanders Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 That was away. Sorry - head rush or something. I thought we where talking about the away game, but it is at home.
1864roverite Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 I think the issue is to take each game as it comes, maybe divide it into pairs. Rovers have to take points from Hull its ass simple as that. Defeat is not an option. With a home game against Everton on the horizon, its imperative that we have something to take forward into this game. Yes they are a pain and have done well at Ewood over the years but without Arteta they are a differnet team. Although hardowrking, they will coem to Ewood and defend hoping to hit us on the break or get a set piece for the likes of Cahill to get on the end of. Rovers have shown though they can compete. Add anything we pick up from Fulham and we could actually find ourselves in a healthy position. Looking at the 6 teams along with Rovers that I think may be in the frame for the drop, the fixtures they have are as follows: Stoke - H - Bolton, Rovers, Boro, Wham, Wigan and Newcastle. A - Villa, Everton, WBA, Fulham, Hull and Arsenal. Spurs - H - Boro, Chelsea, wham, Newcaslte,WBA and M City. A - Sunderland, Rovers, Villa, Man u, Everton and Liverpool. Boro - H - Liverpool, Pompy, Hull. Fulham, man u and Villa. A - Spurs, Stoke, Bolton, Asenal, newcastle and wham. WBA - H - Arsenal, Bolton, Stoke, Sunderland, Wigan and Liverpool. A - Everton, Wham, Pompy, M City, Spurs and Rovers. Newcastle - H - Man u, Chelsea, Arsenal, Pompy and Boro and Fulham. A - Liverpool, Spurs, Bolton, Hull and Stoke and Villa. Portsmouth are not on that list but they still have a major run in. Away games at Rovers, Hull, newcastle, Man u, Boro and Wigan whilst at home they face the likes of Sunderland, Everton, WBA, Arsenal and Chelsea. So its all on. Rovers have the whole thing in their own hands. 18 points should suffice as long as we dont lose games at Hull, WBA, Spurs, Stoke and Pompy. The home results are going to be crucial but some decent away games, where the pressure is off compared to Ewood, will go a long way to saving our Premiership life. Another thing we want is for the like sof Chelsea, Villa, Liverpool and Arsenal to keep fighting for those 3 spots for the Champ League, this will ensure maximum outout from them as we approach the run in. It will also guat=rantee that the clubs that have to play them will take little from them, or at least it should do. Its pretty simple for me.
RovertheHill Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 I reckon we can realistically get 39pts Hull - 1pt Everton - 1pt West Ham - 3pts Spurs - 3pts Stoke - 1pt Wigan - 3pts Man City - 1pt Portsmouth - 3pts Will that be enough? Forgot the West Brom game - 42pts I make it then. Better
Hughesy Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 Try it on the BBC predictor and you will see if it should be enough.
LeChuck Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 Forgot the West Brom game - 42pts I make it then. Better 6 points from West Ham and Wigan is ambitious though.
RovertheHill Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 6 points from West Ham and Wigan is ambitious though. No criticism but doesn't that just illustrate how far we've fallen this year
LeChuck Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 Oh definitely. Still, if someone offered me 4 points from those two games I'd snap their hands off.
Hasta Posted February 24, 2009 Posted February 24, 2009 Boro - H - Liverpool, Pompy, Hull. Fulham, man u and Villa. A - Spurs, Stoke, Bolton, Asenal, newcastle and wham. That's a fairly tough set of fixtures for a Boro side that have only scored 1 goal in their last 9 league games.
nicko Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 How bizarre. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4972894,00.html
DanLad Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 How bizarre. http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4972894,00.html What's going on there? Hardly the world class signings that City fans will be expecting. How will he ever get a game?
BRFC1995 Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 platini will be fuming tonite, french clown hates english teams dominating the champions league.........he's desperate to have his limit on foreign players that will never happen.
neekoy Posted February 25, 2009 Posted February 25, 2009 platini will be fuming tonite, french clown hates english teams dominating the champions league.........he's desperate to have his limit on foreign players that will never happen. Why will he? When did he ever say he hated teams based in England dominating the CL? He is trying to get a more even competition across Europe, he is not talking about reducing the financial gains of team based in England he is talking about trying to share some of the spoils of the modern game to areas that need it. Consider this, England produces absolutely bugger all in terms of quality top tier football quality, which means that the only way the PL can get that quality is to buy them in, if the money doesn't flow back into the game in areas that produce these players the game is doomed as a whole. I absolutely leaves me flabbergasted that people aren't supporting a reduction of foreign imports by increasing home grown numbers. Look at the England national team FFS, a handful play regular football for their teams, by giving those players more opportunity to play first team football against STANDOUT quality foreign opposition players you will increase their ability. Take the ferkin' shades off for once. For a nation that hates the French "clowns" so much you have much to thank them for producing the top players that has made the English based game successful
Sandman Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Why will he? When did he ever say he hated teams based in England dominating the CL? He is trying to get a more even competition across Europe, he is not talking about reducing the financial gains of team based in England he is talking about trying to share some of the spoils of the modern game to areas that need it. Consider this, England produces absolutely bugger all in terms of quality top tier football quality, which means that the only way the PL can get that quality is to buy them in, if the money doesn't flow back into the game in areas that produce these players the game is doomed as a whole. I absolutely leaves me flabbergasted that people aren't supporting a reduction of foreign imports by increasing home grown numbers. Look at the England national team FFS, a handful play regular football for their teams, by giving those players more opportunity to play first team football against STANDOUT quality foreign opposition players you will increase their ability. Take the ferkin' shades off for once. For a nation that hates the French "clowns" so much you have much to thank them for producing the top players that has made the English based game successful The reason we're not producing top quality players in this country is because the coaching for kids is a shambles, It's got nothing whatsoever to do with the premier league, Why don't people stop using that as an excuse. And as for platini, It's laughable the way he's going on he didn't seem to care about money in the game when he was playing for Juve in the richest league in the world at the time, And as far as i know that league wasn't the french one, There is absolutely no chance that there will ever be a limit on foreign players because it's against european law. So until we sort the coaching out in this country, you can forget about seeing an abundance of cultured English footballers. The Bundesleiga has the highest number of foreign players in their league, Yet somehow the Germans manage to do well in international football. it's all down to the coaching, the first thing coaches look for in young kids in this country is size and speed, So most of the better ball players aren't getting a look in.
jim mk2 Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Consider this, England produces absolutely bugger all in terms of quality top tier football quality, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard or Ferdinand would be in a World XI. England could/should have won more than one major tournament since 1966 if they had been well managed.
thenodrog Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard or Ferdinand would be in a World XI. England could/should have won more than one major tournament since 1966 if they had been well managed. 1. Disagree. Only Rooney would stand a chance of being in the worlds best eleven! It's ludicrous to suggest that out of all the players in the world England should have 4 in the starting 11. I hardly think we'd have that many in a european team. 2. Don't you know that the press / media and big sports companies contribute more to managing England than any previous manager in almost half a century? The only manager that stood up to em and ignored them won us the world cup. There are too many politics and side issues involved.
jim mk2 Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 1. Disagree. Only Rooney would stand a chance of being in the worlds best eleven! It's ludicrous to suggest that out of all the players in the world England should have 4 in the starting 11. I hardly think we'd have that many in a european team. 2. Don't you know that the press / media and big sports companies contribute more to managing England than any previous manager in almost half a century? The only manager that stood up to em and ignored them won us the world cup. There are too many politics and side issues involved. 1. Rubbish. Name better players of their type than Gerrard or Lampard. Kaka, maybe but he's out of form at the moment. Ferdinand has been one of the world's best defenders for years. One or all would be starters but they would all certainly be contenders. 2. Proved my point that England have been badly managed. Your really are a bonehead.
JC4LAB Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 I just think that our League is so fast and intense that theres no energy left for the England team..I think we get worn down at Quarter final Stage and beyhond by teams who can keep possesson but then have the energy to remain in your face it when they dont have it...
1864roverite Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Better midfielders than Lampard or Gerrard ? Try these Clarence Seedorf Diego Rino Gattuso Paul Scholes Daniele di Rossi Andrea Pirlo Cesc fabregas Leo Messi Andreas Iniesta Xavi Micheal Essien# Kaka Jim, neither of your two touch the majority of these for skill and effort and I havent even included Clownaldo on that list because he is just a cheating scumbag
jim mk2 Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Better midfielders than Lampard or Gerrard ? Try these Clarence Seedorf Diego Rino Gattuso Paul Scholes Daniele di Rossi Andrea Pirlo Cesc fabregas Leo Messi Andreas Iniesta Xavi Micheal Essien# Kaka Jim, neither of your two touch the majority of these for skill and effort and I havent even included Clownaldo on that list because he is just a cheating scumbag Three of those are too old ; some are wingers and some are defensive midfield players. Different players. None of them match Lampard or Gerrard for effort.
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