incecticide Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 None of them match Lampard or Gerrard for effort. Gerrard yes, disagree with Lampard, don't think he'd make the squad.
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thenodrog Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 1. Rubbish. Name better players of their type than Gerrard or Lampard. Kaka, maybe but he's out of form at the moment. Ferdinand has been one of the world's best defenders for years. One or all would be starters but they would all certainly be contenders. 2. Proved my point that England have been badly managed. Your really are a bonehead. You're the bonehead! Lampard and Gerrard cannot even play together in an England team never mind the best 11 in the world! Both very good club players without a doubt but at true international level even another Englishman Cole who can step up to that mark as an attacking midfielder better than the pair of them imo. Tell me Jim how many international matches have you seen either Gerrard or Lampard really dominate or even make a difference? They can do it at club level but the next step up finds them both out. People eulogise much about Gerrard but his first touch is frequently suspect.
Hughesy Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 1. Rubbish. Name better players of their type than Gerrard or Lampard. Kaka, maybe but he's out of form at the moment. Ferdinand has been one of the world's best defenders for years. One or all would be starters but they would all certainly be contenders. Your really are a bonehead. Ferdinand? His defensive partner (Vidic) is better than him straight away. How about we have a vote on the best player in each position at the current season. Abit like we did for the best past rovers team??? This something that could be done mods? Then we can see just how many agree with 4 england players in there. thenodrog - Spot on, Cole steps up to internationals better than the pair of them. And he wouldnt stand the chance on the left of a World 11 - Not with Messi knocking around.
thenodrog Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Better midfielders than Lampard or Gerrard ? Try these Clarence Seedorf Diego Rino Gattuso Paul Scholes Daniele di Rossi Andrea Pirlo Cesc fabregas Leo Messi Andreas Iniesta Xavi Micheal Essien# Kaka Jim, neither of your two touch the majority of these for skill and effort and I havent even included Clownaldo on that list because he is just a cheating scumbag I disagree with a few of those myself but without studying the south americans you've overlooked Totti, Ribery and Cole on that list 1864.
67splitscreen Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 No need for a new topic me thinks, so hope no one has any objection to me dropping this here. FAO, of our ladies on the MB, your chance to get in the face of the opposition supporters, Wigan that is. Come on go for it. Fanzone
Blue n White Rover Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Better midfielders than Lampard or Gerrard ? Try these Clarence Seedorf Diego Rino Gattuso Paul Scholes Daniele di Rossi Andrea Pirlo Cesc fabregas Leo Messi Andreas Iniesta Xavi Micheal Essien# Kaka Jim, neither of your two touch the majority of these for skill and effort and I havent even included Clownaldo on that list because he is just a cheating scumbag You missed the most obvious one out. Our very own Keith Andrews
BuckyRover Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 ANY team in the world would play Lampard/Gerrard in central midfield if they had them. The only people who would say otherwise are self-deprecating Englishman
thenodrog Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 ANY team in the world would play Lampard/Gerrard in central midfield if they had them. I am guessing that '/' means either or and not both?
frosty Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 ANY team in the world would play Lampard/Gerrard in central midfield if they had them. Xavi and Iniesta > *
imy9 Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Lampard has scored on average a goal every other game for Chelsea in the last two years. Gerrard has scored on average a goal every other game for Liverpool in the last two years. This is on a par with any top class STRIKER and these guys are midfield players, no skill? View Lampards pass to Anelka (VS Villa) to view the skill and ability he clearly possesses. Both play in one of the top league in the world. Some of the names on the list make me laugh: Clarence Seedorf is a defensive midfield player. Diego? German league, who is he? Gattuso- super player but again defensive player. Messi and Kaka are different players in that they play upfront or just off! All the others on the list bar Essien are one sided players in that they can either attack or defend. Lampard and Gerrard are all round top quality central midfield players. They have played in the top leagues and won trophies as key players in their sides, just because you have a foreign sounding name does not make you better than the English players
John Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 Derek Llambias seems like a complete t*t: I would love to be up their like Aston Villa. They have got a good team - no better than us"
BuckyRover Posted February 26, 2009 Posted February 26, 2009 I am guessing that '/' means either or and not both? Yes, because they both play in the same position. Attacking centre mid. But that doesn't stop them being world class. Put them in any team in their position and they will excel. As they have proven in the Premiership and Europe over many years.
neekoy Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard or Ferdinand would be in a World XI. England could/should have won more than one major tournament since 1966 if they had been well managed. Ferdinand ahead of Lucio, Cannavaro, Nesta or Puyol, your having a laugh Gerrard or Lampard ahead of Iniesta, Xavi, Kaka, Pirlo, Essien, Frings, Ballack, Gatusso, Juninho or Ronaldinho, your having a laugh They only one that would even get a look in is Rooney, and even then he needs to get past Villa, Torres, Eto, Benzema and Messi. And I would still personally rather Henry. For those also lauding the efforts of Gerrard and Lampard, they are allowed to do what they do because they have, in Gerrard's case, Mascherano and Alonso, and Lampard, has, previously Makelele now Essien. Lampard has been no where near as dominmant this year with those two missing and covering his defensive frailties.
RibbleValleyRover Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 IMO Essien is the most complete central midfielder in the world, though that might change depending on whether he recovers from his serious injury. Gerrard and Lampard are overhyped and have never really cut it at international level. They are decent players but there is a lot better central midfielders out there. Vidic is a better player than Ferdinand and is IMO more vital to United.
thenodrog Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Yes, because they both play in the same position. Attacking centre mid. But that doesn't stop them being world class. Of course it does! This is a world X1 team rem! So you can only really accomodate ONE attacking central midfielder! So by def both cannot be deemed 'world class'.
neekoy Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Of course it does! This is a world X1 team rem! So you can only really accomodate ONE attacking central midfielder! So by def both cannot be deemed 'world class'. and then I would take Kaka anyway...
thenodrog Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 and then I would take Kaka anyway... Nah.... Jim says he's crap now and as we all know Jims always right.
oozy Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 ANY team in the world would play Lampard/Gerrard in central midfield if they had them. The only people who would say otherwise are self-deprecating Englishman My view is that Lampard circa 2005(when he came 2nd in the Ballon D'or) would have been in a World XI, but he has failed to hit those hieghts since. However, that is not to say he is a top, top footballer, and any team would love to have him (just as Bucky says). Why else would Jose Mourinho, Avram Grant, Luis Scolari and Guus Hiddink all view him as the main cog in the Chelsea midfield ahead of the likes of Ballack, Deco, Essien, Mikel, etc. and the same goes for England, for whom Paul Scholes retired because he felt he'd never get a game in centre midfield due to Lampard being there. Gerrard and Lampard are the main players in teams that are regularly fighting for top honours. It must say a lot about them. However, in my view, they cannot be classified as great (Lampard more so than Gerrard) because you need to produce for your national team to be called great eg Maradona, Pele, Zidane, Moore, Beckenbauer. Or else you have to have that little bit extra eg Best, Cryuff, Dalglish
Mr. E Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Bellamy scoring for Hughes and City advancing again and getting a favorable draw is a bit too hard to take.
dingles staying down 4ever Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 None of them match Lampard or Gerrard for effort. By that theory, Savage and Andrews would both walk into your world 11. Gerrard and Lampard as club players would probably make the subs bench, playing as they do for England would not make our FA Cup 11. Ferdinand - Do me a favour. The most over rated footballer on this planet. Only plays well when he has better players alongside him. Vidic at United being the prime example.
LeChuck Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 On club form at domestic and European level there really is no-one more consistently brilliant than Gerrard. If we're taking international form into account though then you'd probably have a case for not including him - although he is rarely played in his correct position at that level, which doesn't help. I'm sure in an interview recently he said only 4 of his caps have been in his preferred position.
T4E Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 By that theory, Savage and Andrews would both walk into your world 11. Those two should not be in the same sentence. Sav was a superb player.
incecticide Posted February 27, 2009 Posted February 27, 2009 Gerrard or Lampard ahead of Iniesta, Xavi, Kaka, Pirlo, Essien, Frings, Ballack, Gatusso, Juninho or Ronaldinho, your having a laugh How do you figure Ballack's better than Lampard? They play for the same team and Lampard's untouchable, but Ballack's fighting with Deco for a place alongside him. And I'm no fan of Lampard... He'll never acheive the level Gerrard consistently plays at. If an England manager in the last 5 years had possessed the balls, he'd have been a bench warmer while Stevie ran the midfield.
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