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  jim mk2 said:

None of them match Lampard or Gerrard for effort.

Gerrard yes, disagree with Lampard, don't think he'd make the squad.

[thenodrog]

  jim mk2 said:

1. Rubbish. Name better players of their type than Gerrard or Lampard. Kaka, maybe but he's out of form at the moment. Ferdinand has been one of the world's best defenders for years. One or all would be starters but they would all certainly be contenders.

2. Proved my point that England have been badly managed.

Your really are a bonehead.

You're the bonehead! Lampard and Gerrard cannot even play together in an England team never mind the best 11 in the world!

Both very good club players without a doubt but at true international level even another Englishman Cole who can step up to that mark as an attacking midfielder better than the pair of them imo.

Tell me Jim how many international matches have you seen either Gerrard or Lampard really dominate or even make a difference? They can do it at club level but the next step up finds them both out. People eulogise much about Gerrard but his first touch is frequently suspect.

[Hughesy]

  jim mk2 said:

1. Rubbish. Name better players of their type than Gerrard or Lampard. Kaka, maybe but he's out of form at the moment. Ferdinand has been one of the world's best defenders for years. One or all would be starters but they would all certainly be contenders.

Your really are a bonehead.

Ferdinand? His defensive partner (Vidic) is better than him straight away.

How about we have a vote on the best player in each position at the current season. Abit like we did for the best past rovers team??? This something that could be done mods?

Then we can see just how many agree with 4 england players in there.

thenodrog - Spot on, Cole steps up to internationals better than the pair of them. And he wouldnt stand the chance on the left of a World 11 - Not with Messi knocking around.

[thenodrog]

  1864roverite said:

Better midfielders than Lampard or Gerrard ?

Try these

Clarence Seedorf

Diego

Rino Gattuso

Paul Scholes

Daniele di Rossi

Andrea Pirlo

Cesc fabregas

Leo Messi

Andreas Iniesta

Xavi

Micheal Essien#

Kaka

Jim, neither of your two touch the majority of these for skill and effort and I havent even included Clownaldo on that list because he is just a cheating scumbag

I disagree with a few of those myself but without studying the south americans you've overlooked Totti, Ribery and Cole on that list 1864.

[67splitscreen]

No need for a new topic me thinks, so hope no one has any objection to me dropping this here.

FAO, of our ladies on the MB, your chance to get in the face of the opposition supporters, Wigan that is.

Come on go for it.

Fanzone

[Blue n White Rover]

  1864roverite said:

Better midfielders than Lampard or Gerrard ?

Try these

Clarence Seedorf

Diego

Rino Gattuso

Paul Scholes

Daniele di Rossi

Andrea Pirlo

Cesc fabregas

Leo Messi

Andreas Iniesta

Xavi

Micheal Essien#

Kaka

Jim, neither of your two touch the majority of these for skill and effort and I havent even included Clownaldo on that list because he is just a cheating scumbag

You missed the most obvious one out. Our very own Keith Andrews

[BuckyRover]

ANY team in the world would play Lampard/Gerrard in central midfield if they had them.

The only people who would say otherwise are self-deprecating Englishman

[thenodrog]

  BuckyRover said:

ANY team in the world would play Lampard/Gerrard in central midfield if they had them.

I am guessing that '/' means either or and not both?

[frosty]

  BuckyRover said:

ANY team in the world would play Lampard/Gerrard in central midfield if they had them.

Xavi and Iniesta > *

[imy9]

Lampard has scored on average a goal every other game for Chelsea in the last two years.

Gerrard has scored on average a goal every other game for Liverpool in the last two years. This is on a par with any top class STRIKER and these guys are midfield players, no skill? View Lampards pass to Anelka (VS Villa) to view the skill and ability he clearly possesses.

Both play in one of the top league in the world.

Some of the names on the list make me laugh:

Clarence Seedorf is a defensive midfield player.

Diego? German league, who is he?

Gattuso- super player but again defensive player.

Messi and Kaka are different players in that they play upfront or just off!

All the others on the list bar Essien are one sided players in that they can either attack or defend.

Lampard and Gerrard are all round top quality central midfield players. They have played in the top leagues and won trophies as key players in their sides, just because you have a foreign sounding name does not make you better than the English players

[John]

Derek Llambias seems like a complete t*t: I would love to be up their like Aston Villa. They have got a good team - no better than us"

[BuckyRover]

  thenodrog said:

I am guessing that '/' means either or and not both?

Yes, because they both play in the same position. Attacking centre mid. But that doesn't stop them being world class. Put them in any team in their position and they will excel. As they have proven in the Premiership and Europe over many years.

[neekoy]

  jim mk2 said:

Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard or Ferdinand would be in a World XI. England could/should have won more than one major tournament since 1966 if they had been well managed.

Ferdinand ahead of Lucio, Cannavaro, Nesta or Puyol, your having a laugh

Gerrard or Lampard ahead of Iniesta, Xavi, Kaka, Pirlo, Essien, Frings, Ballack, Gatusso, Juninho or Ronaldinho, your having a laugh

They only one that would even get a look in is Rooney, and even then he needs to get past Villa, Torres, Eto, Benzema and Messi. And I would still personally rather Henry.

For those also lauding the efforts of Gerrard and Lampard, they are allowed to do what they do because they have, in Gerrard's case, Mascherano and Alonso, and Lampard, has, previously Makelele now Essien. Lampard has been no where near as dominmant this year with those two missing and covering his defensive frailties.

[RibbleValleyRover]

IMO Essien is the most complete central midfielder in the world, though that might change depending on whether he recovers from his serious injury.

Gerrard and Lampard are overhyped and have never really cut it at international level. They are decent players but there is a lot better central midfielders out there.

Vidic is a better player than Ferdinand and is IMO more vital to United.

[thenodrog]

  BuckyRover said:

Yes, because they both play in the same position. Attacking centre mid. But that doesn't stop them being world class.

Of course it does! This is a world X1 team rem! So you can only really accomodate ONE attacking central midfielder! So by def both cannot be deemed 'world class'.

[neekoy]

  thenodrog said:

Of course it does! This is a world X1 team rem! So you can only really accomodate ONE attacking central midfielder! So by def both cannot be deemed 'world class'.

and then I would take Kaka anyway...

[thenodrog]

  neekoy said:

and then I would take Kaka anyway...

Nah.... Jim says he's crap now and as we all know Jims always right.

[oozy]

  BuckyRover said:

ANY team in the world would play Lampard/Gerrard in central midfield if they had them.

The only people who would say otherwise are self-deprecating Englishman

My view is that Lampard circa 2005(when he came 2nd in the Ballon D'or) would have been in a World XI, but he has failed to hit those hieghts since.

However, that is not to say he is a top, top footballer, and any team would love to have him (just as Bucky says).

Why else would Jose Mourinho, Avram Grant, Luis Scolari and Guus Hiddink all view him as the main cog in the Chelsea midfield ahead of the likes of Ballack, Deco, Essien, Mikel, etc. and the same goes for England, for whom Paul Scholes retired because he felt he'd never get a game in centre midfield due to Lampard being there.

Gerrard and Lampard are the main players in teams that are regularly fighting for top honours. It must say a lot about them.

However, in my view, they cannot be classified as great (Lampard more so than Gerrard) because you need to produce for your national team to be called great eg Maradona, Pele, Zidane, Moore, Beckenbauer. Or else you have to have that little bit extra eg Best, Cryuff, Dalglish

[Mr. E]

Bellamy scoring for Hughes and City advancing again and getting a favorable draw is a bit too hard to take.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

  jim mk2 said:

None of them match Lampard or Gerrard for effort.

By that theory, Savage and Andrews would both walk into your world 11.

Gerrard and Lampard as club players would probably make the subs bench, playing as they do for England would not make our FA Cup 11.

Ferdinand - Do me a favour. The most over rated footballer on this planet. Only plays well when he has better players alongside him. Vidic at United being the prime example.

[LeChuck]

On club form at domestic and European level there really is no-one more consistently brilliant than Gerrard. If we're taking international form into account though then you'd probably have a case for not including him - although he is rarely played in his correct position at that level, which doesn't help. I'm sure in an interview recently he said only 4 of his caps have been in his preferred position.

[broadsword]

makes him sound like Glenn Hoddle!

[T4E]

  dingles staying down 4ever said:

By that theory, Savage and Andrews would both walk into your world 11.

Those two should not be in the same sentence. Sav was a superb player.

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  neekoy said:

Gerrard or Lampard ahead of Iniesta, Xavi, Kaka, Pirlo, Essien, Frings, Ballack, Gatusso, Juninho or Ronaldinho, your having a laugh

How do you figure Ballack's better than Lampard? They play for the same team and Lampard's untouchable, but Ballack's fighting with Deco for a place alongside him.

And I'm no fan of Lampard... He'll never acheive the level Gerrard consistently plays at. If an England manager in the last 5 years had possessed the balls, he'd have been a bench warmer while Stevie ran the midfield.

[Hughesy]

So who's better guys - Lampard or Gerrard?