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[T4E]

I'm a bigot?

[ABBEY]

Arguing against bigots

......wow!!!!!!!

ok show where anyone has done this? roll out the race card again ,buggers belief!!!!

i hate my ex.Is it because shes white?no

is it because shes a woman ...no

is because of other reasons..yes.

just because someone doesnt like someone doesnt mean its because of their skin colour....how pathetic,narrow minded and numbty can you be.

[T4E]

You now resort to personal attacks

Arguing against bigots

Two posts apart. Wonderful.

[Mr Creosote]

I could attack Ince. I wont, because he's won his last two games and there's no need to. Of course, if I attacked Ince, you'd be all over it. I'm not attacking Ince, yet you're still all over it. Do you actually know what it is you're arguing for/against?

Well our little winning spell wont last forever and when it ends you can revert to type.

You have never required a "need" to slag off the manager though.

[T4E]

Revert to type? You've been here since June you silly sod!!

[BuckyRover]

Not Premier League but Aidy Boothroyd has been charged for using abusive and/or insulting words towards referee Stuart Atwell after giving the "goal" that never was.

Also, in a bold attempt to "kick racism out of Football" FIFA have fined the Croatian FA £14,000 for racist abuse directed at Emile Heskey; that'll teach em!

(shakes head )

[imy9]

......wow!!!!!!!

ok show where anyone has done this? roll out the race card again ,buggers belief!!!!

i hate my ex.Is it because shes white?no

is it because shes a woman ...no

is because of other reasons..yes.

just because someone doesnt like someone doesnt mean its because of their skin colour....how pathetic,narrow minded and numbty can you be.

mmm, posts have been edited because they contained phrases which could be interpreted as racist from at least one poster on here so please check your facts ABBEY.

I think certain elements of our fans are clearly prejudiced against Ince, whether thats because he is ex Man Utd, had a reputation as a big time charlie or simply because he is black only the posters can answer that.

There is no way Paul Ince would have been the manager of Blackburn Rovers FC 10 years ago, so the fact that he has got the job today because he is deemed to be the best candidate is a massive thing in my eyes.

[BuckyRover]

It seems that due to many, many (reported) "politically correct" incidents (Winterval, banning Nativities etc. etc. etc. etc.) and the justified condemnation afterwards, it now seems many people now think they can act in whatever way they feel like, then can justify it by decrying anybody else a "liberal" or something equally ridiculous.

I agree that it is very easy to play the "race card" but in this situation I don't think I was too far off the mark. There are a lot of people who are so vehemently anti-Ince that there must be ulterior motives at play.

I don't believe it's the Man Utd connection (Hughes played for Man Utd) and I don't believe it's how he behaved as a player (Hughes and Souness were hardly angels on the pitch), so it must be for some other reason.

It is ok to have concerns, not a problem, I am worried about certain aspects of the regime. BUT many posters seems to criticise EVERY SINGLE aspect of Paul Ince for example:

Andrews (RUBBISH)

Fowler (INCE's FAT MATE)

Robinson (WORST GK EVER)

Not signing a RW (on purpose, or because he didn't try)

Saying he can't read

Thick

Lazy

Only hires his friends

Hires incompetent backroom staff (one subsequently poached by RFW)

Poor training methods

No experience (???)

No tactical nous

Doesn't want to do UEFA course because he doesnt care (not because he was busy saving Macclesfield from relegation and taking MK Dons to League 2 champions)

etc.etc.etc. (These off the top of my head, I reckon I could find quite a few more if I had a look)

So when you take all those together it does start to become slightly suspicious. Especially considering some posters views on certain "issues"

[neekoy]

It is ok to have concerns, not a problem, I am worried about certain aspects of the regime. BUT many posters seems to criticise EVERY SINGLE aspect of Paul Ince for example:

Andrews (RUBBISH)

Fowler (INCE's FAT MATE)

Robinson (WORST GK EVER)

Not signing a RW (on purpose, or because he didn't try)

Saying he can't read

Thick

Lazy

Only hires his friends

Hires incompetent backroom staff (one subsequently poached by RFW)

Poor training methods

No experience (???)

No tactical nous

Doesn't want to do UEFA course because he doesnt care (not because he was busy saving Macclesfield from relegation and taking MK Dons to League 2 champions)

etc.etc.etc. (These off the top of my head, I reckon I could find quite a few more if I had a look)

So when you take all those together it does start to become slightly suspicious. Especially considering some posters views on certain "issues"

So what? You can't think all those things are true unless your a racist?

I agree with every single criticism, Andrews is furkin rubbish, Fowler has a history of being a fat mate of Ince, Robinson is ordinary to say the least (and nothing I have seen so far changes my opinon) , he didn't sign a right winger (Hell not even a genuine right winger who is @#/?), he has had his troubles communicating, I have neevr heard anyone call him Lazy??, he has hired people in key positions he is very close to, the backroom staff had no pedigree before hand, he came out and said that players at this level shouldn't need to be coached, he has no top league experience as a Manager, he stated doesn't even know what is his settled tactics, if other Managers can go get their qualifications whilst managing clubs why can't he?

But I must just be racist.

EDI: To add, these are not criticisms that have just been all in one hit, these are criticisms that have have been over a number of months about different aspects of what he ahs said, how we have played or his actions outside of football to date.

[LeChuck]

Correct. Again. I'm still waiting to see your name mentioned as part of the "Anti Ince Brigade", but I'm sure it's not far off.

I'd like to think I've cleverly been playing the role of the nerdy school kid standing behind the bigger boys shouting "gooo'aaarn, hit 'em!" whilst occasionally throwing a sneaky kick in the balls. Either that, or no-one really gives a toss what I think.

Actually, I think it's better this way, I'll have less humble pie than some if things keep going the way they are, then I'll just pretend I knew he was going to be great all along.

[imy9]

So what? You can't think all those things are true unless your a racist?

I agree with every single criticism, Andrews is furkin rubbish, Fowler has a history of being a fat mate of Ince, Robinson is ordinary to say the least (and nothing I have seen so far changes my opinon) , he didn't sign a right winger (Hell not even a genuine right winger who is @#/?), he has had his troubles communicating, I have neevr heard anyone call him Lazy??, he has hired people in key positions he is very close to, the backroom staff had no pedigree before hand, he came out and said that players at this level shouldn't need to be coached, he has no top league experience as a Manager, he stated doesn't even know what is his settled tactics, if other Managers can go get their qualifications whilst managing clubs why can't he?

But I must just be racist.

EDI: To add, these are not criticisms that have just been all in one hit, these are criticisms that have have been over a number of months about different aspects of what he ahs said, how we have played or his actions outside of football to date.

Hughes had no top flight experience.

Hughes signed a 37 year old, a defender from the Belgium league and a player from the MLS as his first three signings.

Hughes' entire staff consisted of his Welsh mates.

Hughes won 4 competitive games as Wales manager.

I can go through your entire argument and counter every point but will it make a difference? The above three are some points about Hughes were you so angry at him?

[neekoy]

Hughes had no top flight experience.

Hughes signed a 37 year old, a defender from the Belgium league and a player from the MLS as his first three signings.

Hughes' entire staff consisted of his Welsh mates.

Hughes won 4 competitive games as Wales manager.

I can go through your entire argument and counter every point but will it make a difference? The above three are some points about Hughes were you so angry at him?

It matters little my feelings on Hughes, I think Hughes was better qualified. That is my opinion, I liked what he achieved with Wales, I liked his transfers, I liked how he approached Rovers requirements.

I don't necessarily think that the Ince points noted above are necessarily NEGATIVE things, I just said they were true.

Considering the options, I don't think Ince was the right choice, considering the options, I don't think his transfers were the right choices.

I am sorry, does that make me a racist? I could care less if I had black, white, yellow or friggin green, I don't hink he is good enough as my team Manager.

(Please don't use that word again) I hope I am wrong, but nothing I have seen at this present time can change my view.

[philipl]

Other Premier League Happenings chaps.

- Ashton off for another operation so that is West Ham in a bit more bother and his England career back in the freezer.

- Sunderland now have a single majority shareholder- an Irish American. Will be interesting to see whether their balance sheet gets loaded with masses of unsustainable debt as in the most prominent American takeovers or whether he goes the Randy Lerner route.

[BuckyRover]

"The FA is considering changing the red card system so that punishments can be individually assessed. (Daily Telegraph) "

Good in theory; but in practice will result in more bias and contentious decisions.

[Billy Castell]

Don't they 'individually assess' most of John Terry's fouls anyway?

[rover6]

Other Premier League Happenings chaps.

- Ashton off for another operation so that is West Ham in a bit more bother and his England career back in the freezer.

Italian journeyman, Di Michele, signed just in time, it seems.

[Ricky]

Just because T4E doesn't rate the manager it doesn't make him a racist. Simple as that.

All of the otehr arguments are a joke as well. Ince has come from the bottom tier of Professional football and is bound to take a while to convince people he's the right choice. He's also bought a back room staff with little or no top flight experience. You can't compare that to Hughes, its completely different. Hughes had got the best out of Welsh Football, he came within one match of taking them to the Euro's, He also assembled a solid backroom staff who were alle xperienced as holding the relevant coaching badges.

I'm willing to give Ince a chance and I'm certainly not as against his appointment as T4E is, but to call him a bigot for having an opinion is a complete joke and bang out of order. We're all allowed an opinion.

[ABBEY]

mmm, posts have been edited because they contained phrases which could be interpreted as racist from at least one poster on here so please check your facts ABBEY.

I think certain elements of our fans are clearly prejudiced against Ince, whether thats because he is ex Man Utd, had a reputation as a big time charlie or simply because he is black only the posters can answer that.

There is no way Paul Ince would have been the manager of Blackburn Rovers FC 10 years ago, so the fact that he has got the job today because he is deemed to be the best candidate is a massive thing in my eyes.

are you for real?...check my facts? well for one a certain person on here called someone a racist ,sorry bigot for not liking ince .Can you back your arguments up about people being prejudiced?Do you never call burnley fans?Your correct 10 years ago ince wouldnt have got the job at ewood as he was only 30 years old and far too young(ooops im im being ageist).Why is it a massive thing in your eyes that he got the job because he was "best" candidate? surely the "best " candidate should always get the gig?

WHY DO PEOPLE FOR CHRISTS SAKE ALWAYS PLAY THE CHUFFING RACE CARD ALL THE TIME ,ITS PATHETIC!!!!!!

[imy9]

are you for real?...check my facts? well for one a certain person on here called someone a racist ,sorry bigot for not liking ince .Can you back your arguments up about people being prejudiced?Do you never call burnley fans?Your correct 10 years ago ince wouldnt have got the job at ewood as he was only 30 years old and far too young(ooops im im being ageist).Why is it a massive thing in your eyes that he got the job because he was "best" candidate? surely the "best " candidate should always get the gig?

WHY DO PEOPLE FOR CHRISTS SAKE ALWAYS PLAY THE CHUFFING RACE CARD ALL THE TIME ,ITS PATHETIC!!!!!!

As stated ABBEY someone on here made comments which were deemed racist in their nature resulting in them being taken off (how is this playing the race card), is that too much for you take or would you like me slow down? Ask the mods if you dont believe me.

Jim_mk2 has said "Don't like Ince and don't like him as manager of my club." Does that count as evidence? Is that not prejudiced?

Ince/any black manager would not have got the Blackburn job 10 years ago, I wont spell it out for you but what I am talking about is quite common knowledge.

Anyhow I am going to continue this in the Ince thread now, sorry mods.

[Amo]

Unless anyone actually implies they dislike Ince for his skin colour, then what you're doing is slander and shouldn't be welcome on this forum any more than racism should.

The only prevalent arguments I've heard against Ince are his low-key dealings, nepotism, and lack of media savvy when representing the club. So do you think the same fans would against saaaay....Frank Rijkaard?

[imy9]

Unless anyone actually implies they dislike Ince for his skin colour, then what you're doing is slander and shouldn't be welcome on this forum any more than racism should.

The only prevalent arguments I've heard against Ince are his low-key dealings, nepotism, and lack of media savvy when representing the club. So do you think the same fans would against saaaay....Frank Rijkaard?

As stated it DID happen and posts were removed so ironically enough what you have said is slanderous against me!!

I have said on numerous ocassions certain fans are prejudiced against Ince, that is a fact, saying that you dislike Ince as a man and as a manager with no reason is obviously prejudiced is it not? Anyhow lets move on...

Kinnear as Newcastle manager, he is a joke, I hate the man and I hate the manager

[thenodrog]

So what? You can't think all those things are true unless your a racist?

I agree with every single criticism, Andrews is furkin rubbish, Fowler has a history of being a fat mate of Ince, Robinson is ordinary to say the least (and nothing I have seen so far changes my opinon) , he didn't sign a right winger (Hell not even a genuine right winger who is @#/?), he has had his troubles communicating, I have neevr heard anyone call him Lazy??, he has hired people in key positions he is very close to, the backroom staff had no pedigree before hand, he came out and said that players at this level shouldn't need to be coached, he has no top league experience as a Manager, he stated doesn't even know what is his settled tactics, if other Managers can go get their qualifications whilst managing clubs why can't he?

But I must just be racist.

EDI: To add, these are not criticisms that have just been all in one hit, these are criticisms that have have been over a number of months about different aspects of what he ahs said, how we have played or his actions outside of football to date.

Took the words right out of my mouth neekoy.

Biggest wooden spoon award in the history of this mboard to Buckyrover! Your sole intention must solely be to make it impossible for anyone to dare offer criticism of Paul Ince.

I would hope that you are censured by moderation for that inflammatory post and I look forward to comment and direction from from them.

Sorry Ricky just noticed that you have done. I trust that you'll make note of the people who play the race card in such inflammatory fashion to suit an obvious agenda.

[1864roverite]

imy

you need to understand that every fan has differing opinions.

For example, if Abbey has a negative opinion it does not make him prejudiced, it simply menas he disagrees with someone elses view.

If one has a different opinion or view it again does not make one racist unless someone utters a distinctive racist comment and only then, if the recipient of the comment believes it to be racist, does it become a racist comment.

[thenodrog]

WHY DO PEOPLE FOR CHRISTS SAKE ALWAYS PLAY THE CHUFFING RACE CARD ALL THE TIME ,ITS PATHETIC!!!!!!

It's obvious Abbey ..... cos ultimately it works in so many situations.

[BuckyRover]

It's obvious Abbey ..... cos ultimately it works in so many situations.

What is your point?

We all know the truth, especially about you!