[Archived] Other Premier League Happenings

[LeChuck]

Given that he hadn't played football for the best part of a year, was settling in to a new country and adapting to an entirely new league and style of play, I thought he did very well last season under the circumstances. I was really looking forward to see how he would do this year after a proper pre-season.

I'm not sure if theno's theory is right, but I suspect there it is something other than a pure football decision by Ince not to involve him at all. I can't imagine any such rise would kick in after only 7 or so games mind. Appearance money didn't stop him playing Fowler on Saturday either.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Given that he hadn't played football for the best part of a year, was settling in to a new country and adapting to an entirely new league and style of play, I thought he did very well last season under the circumstances. I was really looking forward to see how he would do this year after a proper pre-season.

I'm not sure if theno's theory is right, but I suspect there it is something other than a pure football decision by Ince not to involve him at all. I can't imagine any such rise would kick in after only 7 or so games mind. Appearance money didn't stop him playing Fowler on Saturday either.

I was also looking forward to see Vogel this season. It is strange that Ince advocates passing football but someone who has ability in the middle has been ignored when the likes of Reid were given plenty of time before his injury. The Writing was on the wall for Vogel when Ince moved a left back into midfield.

[philipl]

Suggests to me that possibly it might cost the club money to play him. For example Vogel may be on some kind of appearence money which kicks in when he plays so many games. One things for sure he's about our best 'proper' midfield option.... after 38 year old Tugay of course.

I agree that he is Rovers' best proper midfielder after Tugay.

He really made things tick in most of the games I saw him play.

Anyway, QOTSA has posted that Ince has told him to find another club.

[CrazyIvan]

Harry's not happy...

[thenodrog]

I agree that he is Rovers' best proper midfielder after Tugay.

He really made things tick in most of the games I saw him play.

How come you agree with me Gunner? 24 hours ago you said all I do is talk rubbish so who's been talking crap new? .

[DingleBaiter]

I agree that he is Rovers' best proper midfielder after Tugay.

He really made things tick in most of the games I saw him play.

Anyway, QOTSA has posted that Ince has told him to find another club.

Based on the purely arbitrary measure of judging the importance of players by the closeness of their parking space at Brockhall to the manager's, Vogel should be 5th name on teamsheet, after RSC, Dunny, Nelsen, Samba.

Fans should also be reassured Fowler & Andrews are somewhere on the outer kerbs, a few in from Ritgers and Gallagher. Maybe Mrs Vogel has moved the nameboard in though? Either that, or he took Bentley's spot

[Hughesy]

Would you class this as abit of racism from Harry redknapp?

"From the start of the game I just felt the referee had no idea whatsoever, it was frightening," said Redknapp.

"Where was he from? Slovakia? Slovenia? I'm sure it's a good league there and he's been handling lots of big games."

[almuncle]

Would you class this as abit of racism from Harry redknapp?

"From the start of the game I just felt the referee had no idea whatsoever, it was frightening," said Redknapp.

"Where was he from? Slovakia? Slovenia? I'm sure it's a good league there and he's been handling lots of big games."

Sloagrapes maybe?

[Al]

Ince signed somebody who plays in the same position as Benni.

Benni now appears to be trying to sort himself out.

You think these two events are totally unconnected.

Generally if somebody is signed who plays in the same position as yourself, it WILL affect you. Obviously

Give it up Bucky. When you dig yourself into a hole it's better to stop digging.

Am I the only one who thinks that Vogel is a lightweight and was not really very good last season?

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Give it up Bucky. When you dig yourself into a hole it's better to stop digging.

Am I the only one who thinks that Vogel is a lightweight and was not really very good last season?

probably

[BuckyRover]

Dig myself into a hole?

Just because you can't link two related facts together does not mean I am in a hole.

I know I am right, and so does any right minded person.

Fowler and Benni are similar players, both like to receive the ball in deep positions and both have instinctive finishers.

Benni doesn't want to lose his place in the team, has obviously seen how Fowler behaves in training and now wants to replace Fowler in the team. Before he was the only player we had who could be the link between defence and attack. Hopefully this will happen (as I would obvously rather have Benni in the team, he is a brilliant player when his head is in the right place).

[den]

Am I the only one who thinks that Vogel is a lightweight and was not really very good last season?

He just didn't seem to achieve anything in his play. Nice enough passer at times, but no threat whatsoever to the opposition and not the greatest tackler. Neat and tidy seems to cover it.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Premiership hopefuls QPR sack Iain Dowie

[T4E]

Dig myself into a hole?

Just because you can't link two related facts together does not mean I am in a hole.

I know I am right, and so does any right minded person.

Fowler and Benni are similar players, both like to receive the ball in deep positions and both have instinctive finishers.

Benni doesn't want to lose his place in the team, has obviously seen how Fowler behaves in training and now wants to replace Fowler in the team. Before he was the only player we had who could be the link between defence and attack. Hopefully this will happen (as I would obvously rather have Benni in the team, he is a brilliant player when his head is in the right place).

So you're now claiming that Benni has made an extra effort because of Fowler as fact?

You plonker.

[BuckyRover]

So by bringing Treacy into the team this had no effect on Pedersen, negative or positive?

Signing Robinson had no effect on Brown?

Making competition for places is beneficial to the team.

If you were Benni, and you saw Fowler playing in "your" position? What would you think??

Would you not be embarrassed?? Would you not do something about it? This is not a fact but definitely not improbable

[leftfooter]

Dig myself into a hole?

Just because you can't link two related facts together does not mean I am in a hole.

I know I am right, and so does any right minded person.

Fowler and Benni are similar players, both like to receive the ball in deep positions and both have instinctive finishers.

Benni doesn't want to lose his place in the team, has obviously seen how Fowler behaves in training and now wants to replace Fowler in the team. Before he was the only player we had who could be the link between defence and attack. Hopefully this will happen (as I would obvously rather have Benni in the team, he is a brilliant player when his head is in the right place).

You mean anyone who just happens to agree with your narrow point of view?

A classic example of when confidence in one’s opinion is overtaken by willful arrogance.

You should learn some humility, after you’ve grown up a little bit of course

[BuckyRover]

Ok, you keep believing that signing players has no effect on the attitude and mindset of those already in the squad.

People were quite quick to make the assumption that signing Fowler would send out the wrong message to the squad and would make our players want to leave, as we were showing no ambition. They obviously didn't care to think about the positive effects it may also have.

You keep decrying me to suit your own agenda. My argument stands.

[leftfooter]

Ok, you keep believing that signing players has no effect on the attitude and mindset of those already in the squad.

People were quite quick to make the assumption that signing Fowler would send out the wrong message to the squad and would make our players want to leave, as we were showing no ambition. They obviously didn't care to think about the positive effects it may also have.

You keep decrying me to suit your own agenda. My argument stands.

So, according to your warped 'logic'; Fowler deserves a bonus for not playing, rather than playing, 'cos that means he's done his job by convincing Benni to get fit and play instead of him

[dingles staying down 4ever]

the disagreement between Becky and Leftfooter is pointless until we've seen Benni in proper action. Lets see after tomorrow.

[RibbleValleyRover]

An Arsenal fan has posted this on the 606 forums, the "Tottenham Rhapsody":

Is this the real life....

The Top 4 was fantasy

Now we're on the slide

No escape from jocularity

Open your eyes

Look up to Arsenal and see

We're just a poor team, never played in the champions league

Because we're never high, always low

Berbas gone, what a blow

Everytime I get stick, pretend it doesn't really matter to me

To me

Hamburg, they've got our man

The man with no hair on his head

Martin's gone and now we're dead

Damien, the lies had just begun

But now Robbie's gone and Juande's thrown it all away

Ramos ooo,

Ud-in-ese made me cry

Seems like you've got no more time to borrow

Can't carry on, Can't carry on, as if nothing really matters

Too late, our time has come

Sends shivers down my spine

Stoke are winning - that's not fine

Goodbye everybody - we've got to go

Gotta leave them all behind and face the drop

Bentley ooo

You don't wanna try,

You sometimes wish you'd never been picked at all

We see another North London team

E-mir-ates, E-mir-ates will Nasri do the fandango

Theo Walcott is lightning - very very frightening thee

Fabregas, Fabregas

Fabregas-and-Kolo - magnifico

Bentley's just a ...... and nobody loves him

Can you believe he was Arsenal fam-i-ly

And Ledley never plays with his knee injury

Ramos come, Martin go - will you let him know

Bismillah! no - will you let him know - let him know

Bismillah! we will not let him know - let him know

Bismillah! we will not let him know - let him know

Will not let him know - let him know

Will not let him know - let him know

No,no,no,no,no,no,no

Mama mia, mama mia, mama mia let him know

Mr Comolli is the one who picks the side not he, not he, not he

So you think you can mock him in the public eye

So you think you can blame him and put him out to dry

Damien maybe - but don't forget Daniel Levy

They've gotta get out - just gotta get right outta here

Winning's all that matters

Anyone can see

Winning's all that matters - but winning isn't that eas-y

Anyway the wind blows....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A42584240

[BuckyRover]

So, according to your warped 'logic'; Fowler deserves a bonus for not playing, rather than playing, 'cos that means he's done his job by convincing Benni to get fit and play instead of him

Yes he deserves a MASSIVE bonus, and Ince deserves a statue, maybe in place of the Jack Walker one.

Or maybe, I just want you to acknowledge that Fowler wasn't signed to to be Ince's mate, and perhaps he does know what he is doing.

If Benni (and it is a big if) does make even a slight return to his first season form, then Ince has to be applauded.

That is all I am saying. My mistake previously was saying it obviously made Benni better, that is not a fact, but if he does get better it then all things considered, signing a similar striker to Benni (Fowler) probably had something to do with it.

[T4E]

If this is the case, why did Benni regress when we signed RSC?

[Majiball]

Just been reading Ramos's??? comments after the game last night.

Words of Wisdom.

Ramos, who has overseen Tottenham's worst start to a season in their history, said: "I'm very angry because I don't like to lose. We lost this match in this competition and now we have to win matches to qualify for the next stage."

"now we have to win matches to qualify" Wise words indeed who would have thought it eh, and they say coaches on the continent are more clued up than us!!!

[philipl]

This Spurs blog reckons Spurs are odds on to get relegated if they lose to Bolton

[CrazyIvan]

This Spurs blog reckons Spurs are odds on to get relegated if they lose to Bolton

Blimey! That's one hell of an interesting way to put their current plight.