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Philly Rover ®

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Doubt Hughes will be there tomoz, he wasn't one for attending the U18/U16s generally. That said, would be another opportunity to kick us in the nadgers by turning up :lol:

City are considered to currently be the best Academy/youth set-up, amongst the usual suspects - Villa, Derby, West Brom, Arsenal, United. Sunderland are pumping big money to establish themselves (echoes of the first team). Funnily enough, Liverpool seem to be focussing on clearing their decks this season - rumours are there's bad blood (just like at board level) between Benitez (who favours bringing more continental players in) and the Academy staff, supposedly one of reasons Heighway chucked.

Interestingly, Benitez rated that Aussie goalkeeper that shipped 4 against us (it could have easily been double apparently) as the best in the world for his age? We've (apparently) sniffed at two of their Youth side (one played in last reserve game) but I'd be surprised if we took them on.

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Been told by someone who was there that they were completly outplayed which doesnt bode well for the future I wonder sort of garbage will be put out for this one.

Aha. The old, listening to an opinion that suits your view of all things miserable, a forte of most Rovers fans :D TBH I'm surprised there's not many more people picked up on this result, seeing it gives them so much glee.

That said, there's nothing to defend against this result (no pun intended!)

Bad day at the office, as the Messiah used to say several times. It's how they pick themselves up that matters - and it is only one result after all.

BTW - did your source tell you the Liverpool score could, and should, have been around this level? Think you're reading far too much into this. How does your future argument stretch to the 16s then, a one-one draw with a dubious goal given to City and a fair Rovers one disallowed. Don't suppose your source passed this info did they? Possibly too busy revelling in more bad news to peddle. Rovers 'fans' certainly take a sick enjoyment in passing on negativity.

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Aha. The old, listening to an opinion that suits your view of all things miserable, a forte of most Rovers fans :D TBH I'm surprised there's not many more people picked up on this result, seeing it gives them so much glee.

That said, there's nothing to defend against this result (no pun intended!)

Bad day at the office, as the Messiah used to say several times. It's how they pick themselves up that matters - and it is only one result after all.

BTW - did your source tell you the Liverpool score could, and should, have been around this level? Think you're reading far too much into this. How does your future argument stretch to the 16s then, a one-one draw with a dubious goal given to City and a fair Rovers one disallowed. Don't suppose your source passed this info did they? Possibly too busy revelling in more bad news to peddle. Rovers 'fans' certainly take a sick enjoyment in passing on negativity.

Glee ? worried is more like it, my source was actually involved in the game he could'nt stop talking about how good Man City were he said 8-0 nil flattered Rovers young guns.

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Glee ? worried is more like it, my source was actually involved in the game he could'nt stop talking about how good Man City were he said 8-0 nil flattered Rovers young guns.

What position was your 'source' playing? :P

Did he/she/it mention that City side is literally in a league of their own, or how they did last season? IMO there's two issues here - the inconsistency of football at that level, but also THAT side is streets ahead of ANY in the league - unprecedented in fact. Ask your source to look back on their stats and look for a youth side to have had similar success (even the famous ones)?

I think it's more a reflection of how outstanding that side is/was, NOT the point you're trying to twist it to suit.

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What position was your 'source' playing? :P

Did he/she/it mention that City side is literally in a league of their own, or how they did last season? IMO there's two issues here - the inconsistency of football at that level, but also THAT side is streets ahead of ANY in the league - unprecedented in fact. Ask your source to look back on their stats and look for a youth side to have had similar success (even the famous ones)?

I think it's more a reflection of how outstanding that side is/was, NOT the point you're trying to twist it to suit.

Out of this game are the probabilities stacked in Rovers favour in producing first team talent ? Thats the aim is it not.

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Out of this game are the probabilities stacked in Rovers favour in producing first team talent ? Thats the aim is it not.

By that rationale though, are you suggesting the 'probabilities were stacked' the opposite way after the Liverpool result? Surely you're not suggesting it's a fickle as dependent on one game, which is probably the worst result for a decade (I'm guessing) down there? :blink:

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I think it'll take a season or two for our youth team to improve with the changes brought in last season or whenever it was. It also didn't help that Hughes took all our backroom staff. that must have had a disruptive effect. We must see what this exceptional Man City set up is doing right, and adapt it to our needs and hopes. And try to pinch young foreigners like Arsenal.

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By that rationale though, are you suggesting the 'probabilities were stacked' the opposite way after the Liverpool result? Surely you're not suggesting it's a fickle as dependent on one game, which is probably the worst result for a decade (I'm guessing) down there? :blink:

OK, should the academy at Rovers not be setting the standards in consistency

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I think it'll take a season or two for our youth team to improve with the changes brought in last season or whenever it was. It also didn't help that Hughes took all our backroom staff. that must have had a disruptive effect. We must see what this exceptional Man City set up is doing right, and adapt it to our needs and hopes. And try to pinch young foreigners like Arsenal.

A point needs to be made here. THAT exceptional City team/Academy has NOTHING to do with Hughes's input at all; it's the result of continuity & long-term planning, similar to Boro did under Parnaby, with a dedicated team that's been there a while for several season. Given the scope of these Academies, any work put in today will probably not be able to judge until two-three season's time; that is - THAT City team that won the Youth Cup last season would have started being recruited up to 3 years ago. Chelsea - as at senior level - were the exception last season.

Rovers have had 3 'tranches' in recent seasons; firstly, Jim Furnell, then the formative Academy (Rob Kelly under Downes) and the latest set-up (with Downes still heading it up). They had a the dreaded 'root and branch' review of it last season, after bringing in a new head coach, so it will take a while to judge the relative merits of the change, especially given the proposed overhaul.

Interestingly, Arsenal are often held up as the example for Youth development, but (memory could fail me here) I don't think they've reached a Youth Cup final since they played us last time?

As always, the criteria for judging success at this level is varied; City may have far and away the best youth side (U18) in the country, but the default argument thrown up by many is how many players graduate to the first team on a regular basis.

Let's suppose for a moment City's owners take control of recruitment as many expect/fear and purchase established international stars on big budgets, and not one of yesterday's team plays senior football for them. Does that then mean their Academy is a failure?

Suppose Boro continue to bring through two players a season into the senior set-up from their Academy, only to wallow in the bottom third (or to be relegated) - does this mean their Academy is a failure? Their chairman may think it's a success as it will have saved spending bigger on bringing players in on bigger wages perhaps?

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Did anybody go to Rovers 0 City 8?

Ask if anyone went to the U16s 1-1, they may not be as embarassed Philip :D

Don't think you're going to find anyone will own up to it, other than JAL's 'source', which is probably one of them guys that go just cos they can indulge in their favourite pastime - grumbling - without paying!

What is it you're after finding out P, I could probably find out (hopefully from a more objective 'source').

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OK, should the academy at Rovers not be setting the standards in consistency

Not consistency no; long-term development & focus perhaps. Youth leagues are arguably more inconsistent than the senior leagues due to being less at stake, and often unfettered by anti-football that can sometimes be seen in the Prem. Possibly the only consistency you can see is when one team are a country mile better (or worse) than everyone else, which isn't applicable to the current crop. Even then, it's the team on display and not individuals, which is ultimately what the Academy will probably be judged by most fans on.

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"We`ll learn from this and get ready for the game on Saturday"..........

The coach(Bower) is like a broken record..........sack him and his Frankanstien-Like players........apart from the 2 wingers Josh Morris and Bowen...............

Take a look at Man City players season in season out and that will tell you why they are successfull and we are not....money going to waste............Sign more Black players i say.............Look at Arsenal............

2 of the star players playing for city on Saturday (Alex Nimmely + Ibrahim Abdi)were deemed not good enogh for Rovers both came on Trial before going to City........just goes to show what the coaches know.......Nimmelley has already scored 12 goals so far this season......Hes a Liberian international...........

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"We`ll learn from this and get ready for the game on Saturday"..........

The coach(Bower) is like a broken record..........sack him and his Frankanstien-Like players........apart from the 2 wingers Josh Morris and Bowen...............

Take a look at Man City players season in season out and that will tell you why they are successfull and we are not....money going to waste............Sign more Black players i say.............Look at Arsenal............

2 of the star players playing for city on Saturday (Alex Nimmely + Ibrahim Abdi)were deemed not good enogh for Rovers both came on Trial before going to City........just goes to show what the coaches know.......Nimmelley has already scored 12 goals so far this season......Hes a Liberian international...........

When were they passed over by Rovers?

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