[Archived] This Will Stop Jordans Plan

[RevidgeBlue]

Although we haven't asked it may be possible to get a more public meeting with the PL rep than just the FF, so that anyone can come along and offer their opinions.

That's a great idea if the PL rep is feeling extremely brave and will go for it.

[only2garners]

The thing is Rev, are many a Rover's Fan ( or any other clubs fans) aware of the clubs intentions apart from the select FF band for example?

Its seems to me from the replies here from yourself /and 02g and also emanating from the Rovers and other clubs that things are already set in stone for some form of overseas project as if its a must -and it's this epecially for me that I find difficult to comprehend.

As many of us know 'us' Rovers fans are not exactly proactive at making themselves heard except for moaning,but I think an 'offer ' from the club requesting opinions would be a starter (unless I have missed something), as it still smacks in the face to me of a case of take it or leave it ... with the latter being the one I suspect many a fan will take.

INEVITABLE - A nasty word

Well I hope that Rev and me posting on here after the meeting is bringing the club's views to a wider audience. For me I certainly try and get a broader view of fans' opinions on issues to take to the Forum by posting on here amongst other routes, but apart from this topic in the last 12 months I have hardly received a comment. But that's as it always is with committees like this, the fans are happy to let things run until something comes up that they feel strongly about. That's not a criticism of anyone, just how things are. We weren't overwhelmed with demand to fill some of the spare places on the Forum a couple of months ago.

I don't like the idea of being regarded as one of a select bunch but I guess that will be how it feels unless the fans shout up and offer us their views to take to the club.

I don't think anything is cast in stone yet. The club's view is clearly that they expect some sort of overseas project to happen but they are not happy with the current one on offer. One or two Forum members feel much the same, but I don't think that's the majority view.

[Fife Rover]

So when Glazer and friends say jump, we say how high - otherwise get out of the league?

Thats the kind of defeatism and apathy thats killing the game. So yes I'm all for the championship if at least we have sport and a say rather than being the 'rent boys' of the premier league.

Absolutely right OR. It comes down to having a bit of pride and the necessary conviction to do what your conscience tells you is right.

[Fife Rover]

Fife, thanks very much for explaining your position - you don't have to justify yourself to me or anyone else, neither does anyone else who might choose not to go to Ewood for any particular reason.

I don't feel the same way as you, if I did (and was physically able) I would probably stick with my beloved Club/s and completely boycott my Sky subscriptions and away games etc.

I just feel that things change and move on in all walks of life and football is absolutely no exception. We might feel a lot of things things are not for the better and we might hanker back to the nostalgia of our old MK 1 Ford Escort etc but the harsh reality is that our safe and reliable new Ford Focus is infinitely beter.

As a side issue, surely you can't really lump the likes of Dunfermline and their players into the same "greed" trough as the Premiership clubs?

Surprising as it may seem to people down in England, the very same conditions and effects apply in the SPL. The only difference is one of scale. Out of the 12 clubs in the SPL there are just 2 (Rangers and Celtic) that can hold their own in the financial rat-race (these being the equivalents Man.U. and Chelsea say) the others all struggle to some degree whilst at the bottom end the clubs like Dunfermline just are totally out of it and haven't got a hope of competing in any sense of the word.

Dunfermline are a very well run little club with very little debt, but with also very little support at the gate (4000 is a good gate for them). When they were relegated at the end of last season they had a "going away" present in the form of their share of the gate receipts from their appearance in the Scottish FA Cup Final at Hampden, and of course the one-off parachute payment that the relegated club gets for just one season in Scotland. As DAFC really ARE a well run club with a chairman that is not afraid of making hard decisions the new manager that has just been appointed has had to accept that as they are not about to bounce straight back up to the SPL he has been told that he must cut his playing staff severely. Consequently 9 players from the 1st team squad have already left and will not be replaced, and another 6 or so whose contracts run out at the end of the season have been told that they will not be renewed on the same terms and they are free to leave if they dont accept the new offers. That is the honest truth and it can easily be verified. Ask Nicko.

DAFC will not be getting back to the SPL any time soon.

[CAPT KAYOS]

Well I hope that Rev and me posting on here after the meeting is bringing the club's views to a wider audience.

certainly does o2g and as mentioned above Rev provided a bit more to what both of you had originally posted and what has been emanating from the club.

to be fair to Rovers I think they probably do more than any othe Premier club in trying to involve fans in matters but are just not very good at advertising and spreading the word about it.

Back to the inevitable though and Rev's rusty escort - that is a material possesion with an expectant life so it is inevitable to a major degree that that would have to change at somepoint - the issue we are talking about is the English/British structure of the game of football and not tangible - inevitable means to me something that you can't do anything about , this the Powers that be can as it is them that are in control of the operation and its in their hands as to the future destiny..... this is why I still can't get the issue (hopefully explains my stand) against that overseas development is in.. inevit... please don't use that word anymore.

[Billinge End Blue]

Better late than never.

I think it's a great steaming pile of ----- of an idea but probably won't get round to personally informing John Williams.

Paul's post above is a very good one.

Top level professional football is in increasing danger of disappearing up its own fundament. It has already thrown the baby out with the bathwater but now the bath/bathroom itself are on their way out, to be replaced by an organic, oriental aromatherapy spa.

[American]

So am I Roversmum, but not just for that reason.

This has been touched upon before on here, including by myself but the way it is going it is heading for what we all suspected and there will be no Relegation or Promotion as we know it now - but moreso by 'invitation only' if you are classed as big enough club and have the money - this will also be with the intention to include Celtic and Rangers if they so want-effectively getting to the Super League that they have beeen clambouring for now for sometime.

There are major warning signs to me here (have been for a while) for us fans as well as those that care about the game about their sole intentions.

AS I KEEP SAYING - WHY THE HELL DO THEY NEED MORE MONEY!!!

- to dole it out to tosspots like Ashley Cole!!

They are already global with the 'advertisement' of the P/L with the various Television /media outputs that show the games ....

Overall, the bottom line to it which for the life of me I can't understand why people just cannot take into their heads is that this is our tradition/ league/ structure and has bugger all to do with anybody else.

Its akin to bringing the Kentucky Derby over to Ascot or the Australian Rules league over to the UK etc...

Or like bringing American football over to the UK? Oh wait, that was a major success with the tickets sold out as quickly as they could and one of the teams who had to spend the extra time to fly over and do promotion winning the championship....

[CAPT KAYOS]

I don't think anything is cast in stone yet. The club's view is clearly that they expect some sort of overseas project to happen but they are not happy with the current one on offer. One or two Forum members feel much the same, but I don't think that's the majority view.

So maybe I was correct in my thinking if this is anything to go from in the Nicko thread about our clubs real intentions - is there some wool being pulled over some people's eyes or could it be there is a cunning plan being delicately eased in?

Still no serious objection

nicko

This is quite interesting if you have an hour to wade through it...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1779

Even more intriguing is the revelation about the clubs who knew of the plan in advance.

[philipl]

Platini continues the counter attack. The point about Premiership clubs being in debt (despite the Sky deal) is worth bearing in mind when berating our board over transfer funds.

[Paul]

Hadn't picked up on this before

[philipl]

Given the nature of FIFA's rejection, it really does look like Scudamore totally screwed up.

[philipl]

IS THE PREMIER LEAGUE STILL PURSUING THE 39TH GAME IDEA?

We think these things will still happen.

We've gone to ground on the topic and are working on revised proposals and how we manage the issue of globalisation of sport and we won't talk about it until those proposals have been revised.

From the BBC Website interview with Richard Scudamore

[ABBEY]

link.

BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) -- The Buffalo Bills will receive $78 million -- more than double their calculated 2006 operating income -- to play eight games in Toronto over the next five years.

The payment to the Bills was disclosed for the first time in Rogers Communications' 2008 first-quarter report released Tuesday. The Toronto-based company is part of a consortium that negotiated a deal with the Bills to have them play five regular-season and three preseason games, starting this year, at the downtown Rogers Centre.

In becoming the NFL's first team to play annual games outside the United States, the Bills are scheduled to host Pittsburgh in a preseason match at Toronto on Aug. 14, followed by a regular-season game against Miami on Dec. 7.

Rogers spokeswoman Jan Innes would not comment beyond the one-paragraph statement included in the company report, except to say the $78 million figure was in Canadian currency. The Canadian dollar hovered around par to its U.S. counterpart during the first quarter this year.

Innes declined to say whether any portion of the payment has been made to the Bills.

Bills spokesman Scott Berchtold also declined comment, citing a policy that the team does not discuss financial details of its business relationships.

The deal, announced in February, was reached with a group headed by Rogers CEO and founder Ted Rogers, and Larry Tanenbaum, chairman of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment, which owns the Toronto Maple Leafs and Toronto Raptors. Rogers also owns the Blue Jays as well as the Rogers Centre.

As part of the agreement, the Toronto group is effectively leasing the home games from the Bills. Buffalo will provide the team, the NFL provides an opponent, while the Toronto organizers will be responsible for selling tickets, concessions and promoting the event.

The Toronto group is using the eight-game series to show the city can support its own NFL franchise. The Bills sought the agreement to generate additional revenues by expanding their market to Canada's largest city and financial capital, a 90-minute drive from Buffalo.

The $78 million payment eclipses what Forbes calculated the Bills made in 2006, in the magazine's annual financial breakdown of NFL franchises. Forbes calculated the Bills had an operating income of $31.2 million after bringing in $176 million in revenues that year.

Broken down, the Bills will make nearly $9.75 million per game in Toronto, something they'd be unable to make at Orchard Park, where the small-market team has perennially had the lowest ticket prices in the NFL. The Bills' average ticket price for this season is about $51 at Ralph Wilson Stadium, which has a 72,000 seating capacity.

Ticket prices for the games in Toronto have not yet been released, but are expected to average more than $100 at a facility with a 54,000 seating capacity for football.

Demand is already high after more than 100,000 single-ticket reservations were made for the eight-game series through a Web site established by the Toronto group. Tickets will be distributed via a lottery starting next month.

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I know its not the 39th game but its a worldwide sporting theme at the moment.

[only2garners]

IS THE PREMIER LEAGUE STILL PURSUING THE 39TH GAME IDEA?

We think these things will still happen.

We've gone to ground on the topic and are working on revised proposals and how we manage the issue of globalisation of sport and we won't talk about it until those proposals have been revised.

From the BBC Website interview with Richard Scudamore

Yes - it's in Moscow in a couple of weeks!

The league are not due to make a decision until next January, so it's not gone away yet, although whether what they vote on will be anything like what has so far been suggested is anyone's guess.

[philipl]

As expected, the 39th game is back again.

Two observations of how Hughes dumping on us for City is already hurting Rovers.

Wigan v Rovers is offered as the epitome of a rubbish game (last season, it was always Wigan v Bolton). And the condescending paragraph underneath about how Hughes has gone to finish school for a top 4 job by moving to City. Those two bits of journo comment are every bit as hurtful and as harmful of Rovers' chances as Hughes running away to City in a backfiring gamble.

[Rover9]

Just looking at that article if this journo had bothered looking at the facts on the Rovers v wigan games last season he would of seen 12 goals and 3 red cards. But yet watching two of the top four grind out a draw and cancelling each other out is what the wider world wants to see from "the most entertaining league in the world". I know which I prefer and I presume that if this was the way the games panned out in sunnier climes then the fans further afield would gradually anticipate the games where they are more likely to get the goals, the red cards, the comebacks etc rather than wait for weeks/month's on end to watch a game which has "the worlds best players" that is akin to watching paint dry.

[philipl]

Game 39 to be replaced by International pre-season tournaments?

[Ronin]

a much better proposal, plus it's not something that doesn't already happen. Rovers in this Portugese tourney, L'Arse in the Amsterdam tourney etc etc. A bit of time for the PL to think things through this time. Plus the comments by FIFA and UEFA probably helped as well.

[philipl]

Asian U-turn re-opens the 39th game possibility.

[Mike Graham]

we need a new thread

"WHERE IS JORDAN?"

[Alan75]

we need a new thread

"WHERE IS JORDAN?"

He's with JW on the interview panel.

We can blame him when things go t up

[Ozz]

we need a new thread

"WHERE IS JORDAN?"

Next door to Israel.

[1864roverite]

Ozz your far to witty for a Sunday !!!

[BuckyRover]

we need a new thread

"WHERE IS JORDAN?"

In bed with Peter