[Archived] This Will Stop Jordans Plan

[waggy]

it just shows what the premier league thinks off its fans,every club is in favour of this resolution.i would rather it be a league match,one off the official 38 games instead off the extra 39th game

[speeeeeeedie]

Absolutely stupid idea. It will probably happen though as money talks. Which silly plan will finally sell English football down the swanny?

Once the idea that finally does football in comes along the game will fold as no-one at home will want to watch, consequently the passion a fervour that foreigners like so much about the game will be gone too, so they in turn will get fed up quickly leaving a load of tattered dreams, empty history, and still rich owners.

[Flopsy]

39th Game

[BuckyRover]

Actually implementing an extra game seems madness to me.

Who thinks that when this does get introduced (which it will) they will change it so it is just one of the normal 38 games?

Which is in effect a compromise and everybody is happy?

The league stays fair(!), the fans are happy that league hasn't become biased in favour of the big 4 (5?) and the chairman get their foriegn money

[RevidgeBlue]

Basic Example:

Man United - £20 million (£5 million for participating in the game rest of the money from merchandise)

Arsenal- £20 million (£5 million for participating in the game rest of the money from merchandise)

Chelsea- £20 million (£5 million for participating in the game rest of the money from merchandise)

Liverpool - £20 million (£5 million for participating in the game rest of the money from merchandise)

Rest of the clubs:

£5 million each

Can you not see a major problem there!?!? both in the short and long term.

I agree with Hughesey on this, even if the figures were to pan out as above, the alternative surely if it doesn't go ahead is we get NOTHING and the "big four" go about their merchandising anyway and get 15m!!

If it goes ahead they have four times as much income from this as we do, if it doesn't they have infinitely more income.

The more I think about it, the more I am astounded by the level of reaction. 5m would pay for the running of the Academy for two years for example.

[tony gale's mic]

I agree with Hughesey on this, even if the figures were to pan out as above, the alternative surely if it doesn't go ahead is we get NOTHING and the "big four" go about their merchandising anyway and get 15m!!

If it goes ahead they have four times as much income from this as we do, if it doesn't they have infinitely more income.

The more I think about it, the more I am astounded by the level of reaction. 5m would pay for the running of the Academy for two years for example.

more realistically, it will just about cover two players to have 15k/week increases over a 3 year contract. which is what will happen. the extra money will just push the wage bill up. you think players won't want a big cut?

[RevidgeBlue]

it just shows what the premier league thinks off its fans,every club is in favour of this resolution.i would rather it be a league match,one off the official 38 games instead off the extra 39th game

The reason it's been framed as an extra game at this stage is to try and convince fans that they're not losing out in any way shape or form, it's an EXTRA game.

I like the idea of this game actually being part of the season and keeping it at 38, however you'd have to get round ten lots of season ticket holders unfairly losing a fixture.

[RevidgeBlue]

more realistically, it will just about cover two players to have 15k/week increases over a 3 year contract. which is what will happen. the extra money will just push the wage bill up. you think players won't want a big cut?

Using your example 30k per week extra on the wage bill only equates to 1.6m p.a. so we'd still be 3.4m p.a. better off.

If the Premier League do this before La Liga or Serie A for example, we'd be another 5m p.a better off in comparison to other European Clubs, in addition to the increased exposure.

[CAPT KAYOS]

The reason it's been framed as an extra game at this stage is to try and convince fans that they're not losing out in any way shape or form, it's an EXTRA game.

but for how long would it be just 1 EXTRA GAME as you know very well it would just move on from that.

Clubs are already losing money left right and centre with alot of it going out of the game - the same would happen with this.

Do people really think our merchandising/global image would spread so much to fill the Gap as we would definitely not be a 'glamourised club', so the way I see it things would be more costly and would just eat up any money we made anyway so what is the point.

What people are missing here is the harm to the the bare threads that are remaining of the game as we know it at the moment - this will just kill it.

In fact thinking about it - how would a promoted club be expected to survive once they come up - its difficult enough now for them - they wouldn't have a cat in hell's chance with this scenario - thus killing off the issue of Promotion and relegation.

[Fife Rover]

I do Fife but its still not right.

I agree as you say that it would probably mean a return to the 'Old Football League' set up per se, the question has to be would it though?

If this did happen (depending upon how quickly though) would all the fans then defect back to it, thereby nulling what the other set out to be and was no more than a glorified money making non compettitve event except for the TV Glitz and global viewing through OLED Tv's.. unless ( as many suspect they are trying to do anyway) this is what they want.

All pointless really... and just proof of the money making fat cow they want.

Assuming Global Football Inc comes to pass, I see it being deliberately designed to be primarily aimed at a worldwide TV audience (probably by subscription) with existing TV distributors like Sky and Setanta etc buying in on a contract basis then reselling to their own subscribers. There will also be a large increase in the number of primary TV companies in places like China and other Aisian countries, the Middle East, South America and also still more in existing areas like Europe and North America Australasia etc. These will be set up by the entrepreneurs to sell the TV rights in their own areas. There will still be large stadiums where the elite clubs will play but they will be filled with a large proprtion of invited corporate viewers, and the remainder being the clubs own season ticket holders who will all need to very wealthy to have any chance of affording a season ticket. The ordinary fan that goes to watch their team week in week out will not have a hope in hell of ever sitting in the ground of his favourite team unles he is invited in as a corporate guest or wins the lottery.

The ordinary fan (like us) will still be able to subscribe to a TV channel that shows whichever of the elite teams he decides to watch, but sadly that will never include the likes of Rovers, PNE, Burnley, or Bolton. But then who cares? We will all still be watching our own beloved Rovers playing at Ewood Park in the new 1st Div of the Football League and paying around £8 to £10 for the priveledge. Wont we??

[CAPT KAYOS]

The reason it's been framed as an extra game at this stage is to try and convince fans that they're not losing out in any way shape or form, it's an EXTRA game.

but for how long would it be just 1 EXTRA GAME as you know very well it would just move on from that.

Clubs are already losing money left right and centre with alot of it going out of the game - the same would happen with this.

Do people really think our merchandising/global image would spread so much to fill the Gap as we would definitely not be a 'glamourised club', so the way I see it things would be more costly and would just eat up any money we made anyway so what is the point.

What people are missing here is the harm to the the bare threads that are remaining of the game as we know it at the moment - this will just kill it.

In fact thinking about it - how would a promoted club be expected to survive once they come up - its difficult enough now for them - they wouldn't have a cat in hell's chance with this scenario - thus killing off the issue of Promotion and relegation.

[CAPT KAYOS]

Interesting Capt, what makes you say that?

What else have I changed my views on?

What I mean with this Rev is that from your postings your concerns always seemed to fall to the side of Football with Rovers being your medium for it - as you know we have agreed upon many an issues in the past with the same feelings

IMO, with all due respect, recently alot of your postings read to me that you are now 'on board' with all this 'money driven' aspect of the game and Rovers (Or any P/L clube for that matter) must do everything to be part of it

So correct me if I'm wrong ( most probably) it just doesn't seem the 'real' you at the moment if you don't mind me saying, and I am being sincere here.

[Roaming Rover]

The big clubs complain they play to many games in the league but are happy with extra CL games or potential overseas games due to extra money.

Rovers may well get extra money for this, but as has been stated so will every other club in the premier league. The difference being that the gap between the preimer league and the other domestic clubs grows even more. The preimership will be a corporate / TV viewers game the rest of us will go off and watch the many other newly formed clubs based on the Wimbledon and FCUM in the non league arena.

FC Rovers of Blackburn anyone???

[waggy]

depending on when the fixtures are known,clubs whose home match is being played abroad could make a cup game available on the season ticket,or deduct the price off the match of the year after season ticket.i for one think this plan is nearly set in stone and another reason why i am getting dissilusioned with premier league football

[mjs]

I am sad to say that me and you, i.e 'the real fans', just don't really matter anymore.

I am totally against this as it is unnecessary and fuelled plainly by greed. It will not benefit the game in the long run, it is purely money motivated, but money isn't the be all and end all of everything. This will not stop at one game, the rich will get richer, which will only make the Premiership even less of a competition than it is now, and which will further alienate the proper fans. The players will also end up getting even more obscenely rich than they are now.

I would love to see a national boycott of games by fans for just one Saturday (or Friday or Sunday or Monday). Maybe it is time for the real fans to fight back. Professional football is nothing without bums on seats.

[CAPT KAYOS]

depending on when the fixtures are known,clubs whose home match is being played abroad could make a cup game available on the season ticket,

Could they do that really though Waggy?

FA Cup and not the Premier League and all that scenario - isn't that what we have been told before?

[BiggusLaddus]

Does anyone really think that 'little old Blackburn rovers' would ever be a big enough draw to be a success in this future?

One foreign game would only be the start. After a couple of successful years it would be two, then five games played abroad.

How many times will Blackburn v's Fulham or Wigan v's Bolton be played in front of an embarrassingly empty stadium before the other clubs decide that two of these places would be better filled by Celtic and Rangers?

From there it would be a very small step to a new Global (European is old hat now) Super League.

If we were to ever succeed in that environment, it would not be as Blackburn Rovers.

Lancashire Utd? Bangalore Rovers more like...

[Fife Rover]

I am sad to say that me and you, i.e 'the real fans', just don't really matter anymore.

I am totally against this as it is unnecessary and fuelled plainly by greed. It will not benefit the game in the long run, it is purely money motivated, but money isn't the be all and end all of everything. This will not stop at one game, the rich will get richer, which will only make the Premiership even less of a competition than it is now, and which will further alienate the proper fans. The players will also end up getting even more obscenely rich than they are now.

I would love to see a national boycott of games by fans for just one Saturday (or Friday or Sunday or Monday). Maybe it is time for the real fans to fight back. Professional football is nothing without bums on seats.

EEEHHHHH!!! Now where have I heard that before? And been soundly blasted by one and all for daring to suggest it.

[broadsword]

Are there any arguments in favour other than just money?

[Roaming Rover]

I do think that Rovers V Fulham in asia would get a much bigger crowd than it would in England. They love the Premier league and although Man U, Chelsea etc would be mayhem, other less profile games would still prove to be a big draw.

The problem would be if Rovers, Fulham etc played in the USA or Australia where the attraction wouldn;t be as big.

I agree with the others who have stated that this would just be the start of something bigger on a global scale.

[Claytons Left Boot]

Is the return trip less than three months?

You've got to be joking.......on them things!

[Fife Rover]

How much do clubs get relegated by 1 or 2 points or goal difference? Every game makes a difference and by taking that opportunity away from the supporter (return ticket to China?) to see every twist and turn it’s unfair.

Everyone plays everyone else home and away = fair & level playing field. So now four teams have to play Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool 3 times, the season will end up reflecting how (un)lucky you were in a one sided draw! That’s unfair and down right unethical.

It’s about time the Premier league boat was rocked, overwhelmingly fans think this is a joke - why are the clubs so cowardly in defending the interests of fans over coportae greed of Football PLC? Will we really end up relegated for not towing the party line? The silence from clubs like ours over the Tevez issue, renegotiated transfers and this prostitution of the game is as deafening as it is alarming.

Its time Rovers differentiated themselves and openly defended the game for the fans - Jack Walker would have done.

WE BELIVE.....prove it!

Well said that man!

[CircoWill]

This has just been passed to me by a Chelsea fan at work (apologies for the language etc... but shows what many real fans think:

Have you ever seen Irréversible? There’s a quite brutal scene in the movie, uncomfortable as anything you're likely to see, where Monica Bellucci is anally raped. Then punched in the face and stomach repeatedly. That’s basically what the English Premier League is planning on doing to our beautiful game. So, stick that black armband on and close your eyes for a moment of thoughts and prayers. A minutes silence please. I don't want to hear a sound.

All 20 clubs have agreed to explore the proposal.

- Season extended by 39 games

- 10 extra games played

- The extra games will be played at venues all around the world

- Cities to bid for the rights to stage them

- Points will count towards the final league table

- The additional fixtures will be (possibly) determined by a draw (with the top 5 seeded)

What a farce.

We have gone from a game that belonged to the working class to a fu*king shambolic family game that is better suited for the Disney Channel. We can’t stand at games without being threatened with losing our season ticket. We can’t swear at games without getting looks from stewards. Its a police state with £5 burgers for treats.

New stadiums resemble lifeless stadia better suited for mundane games of American Football, where people are more interested in hot dogs and cheerleaders.

Modern day football is heading towards an abyss of commercialism, more interested in serving up ribs and chips at half-time in executive boxes. The new prototype doesn’t want to be part of a tribe. Doesn’t want the adrenaline-rushed high and lows of supporting a club, no matter the league position, win draw or loss. The new prototype wants to be entertained. Brace yourselves, because you – the average true fan – is no longer important.

Expect this to go the way of Hollywood. Football players striking because they are not earning a percentage of the money earned by associations the world over. Its going to get bloated, like an over-budgeted blockbuster movie with big name stars in the leading roles, appealing to the easily pleased masses.

I don’t buy this crap about catering for the widest possible audience to help raise the profile of the game. Everyone who ###### matters already knows about football and the Prem League. The clubs are rich enough when they can spu*k money on average talent and over-charge fans for season tickets. If a player can earn up to £60k a week today, what in 2011 when this fu*king train wreck comes into effect?

“Some fans may feel aggrieved, but their concerns will be outweighed by the financial advantages for the clubs”

There. Right there. Fu*king moneyshot in the eye. It’s all about the $$$$ and nothing else. Football has long sold out, but we could live with the executive boxes and a quiet Emirates Stadium. I’m an old romantic. I believe that the clubs – the club you support – is not the ground the pitch is on, or the name or the players. It’s the fans. Without the fans, the club would not exist. When the club up and moves location or players and managers move on, the fans are still there. The dawning of a new age will see us become redundant, unnecessary. A throw-back to the ‘poor old days’ of football. Your money won’t be missed, because there’s this c*nt who can afford to bring 10 c*nt’s to a game so they can sit in a box and eat sea bass.

There’s nothing in place, nothing to regulate this type of (de)evolution. FIFA? LOL. People will argue that if the Premier League want’s to stay ahead of the other top continental leagues, then this will guarantee them the exposure and financial clout to keep Spain and Italy in the shade when attracting the very best players in Europe and the world. It’s a fu*king move too far.

If this happens, I can’t wait to see who travels to Dubai or New York to see their team. Sounds a bit sexy that, doesn’t it? Fu*king scab is what you are if you’re thinking about making a trip.

This is not the NFL. And providing the chance for foreign fans to enjoy a slice of Premiership action ‘live’ in their own backyard will only lead onto more drastic ba*tardisation of the game. One extra game is one game too many.

That's us in the pedestrian underpass. Fu*ked into a coma.

[Alan75]

Oh, and for the 2015-2016 season, Ewood Rocket to the moon (and return) - £2999

Still no atmosphere then Better take the drummer

[Fife Rover]

Still no atmosphere then Better take the drummer

OOOHHH Yeh! he can bang his drum there as much as he likes and there wont be a sound, not even a scoric of a sound!