[Archived] Eduardo

[philipl]

I think Hansen calls it correctly here.

[Wild Irish Rover]

Speakng as a referee of 22 years standing, I felt that the tackle whilst clumsy, was not intended to inflict injury. As a result, the absence of intent means that Taylor should not have been dismissed. His approach was neither cynical, nor reckless - merely ill-timed (compared to the speed of movement of Eduardo). Yes, I would have given a foul for Dangerous Play, but I feel the referee was wrong to sanction the player in terms of intent.

Of course I feel sorry for Eduardo and, as a Rovers supporter, have seen at first hand the clumsiness of Tiny in basic footballing terms, but injuries like this are quite common in this contact sport where players and opponents operate at widely different levels of skill, competence and ability. Tiny (as we have all seen at first hand) is not capable of operating effectively at the highest level in the game - that is why we let him go to Big Club in the first place.

Any talk that Martin Taylor should be banned for life is poppycock and typical only of the kind of sentiment used by cynical media types and bleating rose tinted bespectacled French managers from London clubs.

I wish Eduardo a speedy and full recovery (although as with Sav I would wonder whether he will ever get full bottle back).

I wish Martin Taylor a complete exoneration and perhaps a move to a lower league club where he will find a level at which he can operate safely.

[AggyBlue]

I think Hansen calls it correctly here.

Almost. IMO a mistimed tackle shouldn't be a red card.

I'm sure that Taylor wouldn't even have been booked when I played, never mind sent off.

[modes98]

with both feet leaving the ground.

Both feet didn't leave the ground.

[RovertheHill]

Wengers comments came at a very sensitive time, and for people to judge him from them is unfair.

What the harsh cold light of day will bring is that Eduardos' career at the very top has been ended by an inept cretin, who has been told to ''let him know you're there,'' so flew in with his studs a yard off the ground and has ended a blokes career.

I believe Taylor has gone in over the top, and therefore deserves to be punished in footballing terms as if he had committed manslaughter in ''real life.''

Den was saying how he'd played and seen examples etc etc, well I played at amateur level for 10 years or so, and I never, ever once went in for a tackle with my studs one yard off the ground. Why? BECAUSE I WAS TAUGHT TO TACKLE FFS!!!! NOONE ANYWHERE, EVER, WILL TEACH YOU TO TACKLE LIKE THAT, IT IS REDICULOUSLY DANGEROUS.

I think Taylor should be banned for the rest of the season minimum, to stamp out this over the top tackling we see too much. The incident is sickening, and at grass roots level you are taught to tackle properly. And for someone at Premier League level, he will tackle every day, and by habit will (or should) tackle properly. You can bet your life he doesn't fly in like that in training. So, with that in mind, he has broken habit while flying in on Eduardo. Yet people say there is no intent??!!!

It's a shame a top player with so much potential with never reach the heights he could due to some brainless nomad.

Well I'm sorry you think quoting 1 word of your post changes the context. So I'll quote all of it. Manslaughter. FFS get a grip. The kind of hysterical response normally reserved for London based fans, football managers and media types I believe

[Shaddy]

What a sad state of affairs!

A young man making his name at, arguably, the biggest club in the world. Career seemingly under threat, with one reckless challenge.

And the same multiply applies to Eduardo

[adam]

Wenger went on to complain about the premeditated way that the opposition hack down Arsenal players as part of their game plan. This is constant and is said - yet again - to try to bias referees and the press against everyother team and to offer Arsenal extra protection.

[furryfootball]

I think Wenger has since retracted his comments about a life time ban for Taylor. He was interviewed just after the game, with emotions still running high. The challenge was horrendous and sickening to see. I've seen it in real time and in slow motion, and it really does look like it could be really serious for Eduardo's career. I hope he comes back from this and that he career is not affected. As for Taylor, I don't know about a life time ban but I think he needs a severe punishment. Good luck to Eduardo.

[S15]

I'm sorry but I cannot accept that this isn't highly dangerous play with over aggressive intent...

Here you see Taylors foot very high, lodged in Eduardos' shin, note his left foot position..

Here you see BOTH TAYLORS' FEET OFF THE GROUND, and look, he has totally changed his left foot position to follow through, and add extra momentum to an already high challenge.

This isn't a standard tackle, it's a high, dangerous tackle which can cause serious injury.

[Silencio]

Good luck to Eduardo. Very good player who looked like going on to become one of the best strikers in the world.

I don't think there was any intent by Taylor and, as usual Wenger and Arsenal's reaction is hypocritical and over the top. Their players were a disgrace in the Nani incidents.

I've seen much worse tackles that have not caused injury. Lucas Neill speacialised in them and Flitcroft went in over the top nearly every time he tackled. Eboue is always at it too...

[AggyBlue]

I'm sorry but I cannot accept that this isn't highly dangerous play with over aggressive intent...

Here you see Taylors foot very high, lodged in Eduardos' shin, note his left foot position..

Here you see BOTH TAYLORS' FEET OFF THE GROUND, and look, he has totally changed his left foot position to follow through, and add extra momentum to an already high challenge.

This isn't a standard tackle, it's a high, dangerous tackle which can cause serious injury.

You haven't got a clue. Anyone would think you've never seen a game of football, let alone played one.

[den]

I'm sorry but I cannot accept that this isn't highly dangerous play with over aggressive intent...

Here you see Taylors foot very high, lodged in Eduardos' shin, note his left foot position..

Here you see BOTH TAYLORS' FEET OFF THE GROUND, and look, he has totally changed his left foot position to follow through, and add extra momentum to an already high challenge.

This isn't a standard tackle, it's a high, dangerous tackle which can cause serious injury.

It wasn't high. If you actually watch it on replay, rather than stills, you will see Tiny's foot was at ball level when he went into the tackle. The fact that he was stretching meant his leg went higher after he missed the ball. There was nothing he could do about that. It certainly wasn't a two footed lunge.

[Eddie]

Even i nthat picture you can see it isn't a two footed lunge. Just look where his left leg is when he's making contact with Eduardo in the first picture, he just frees it after the tackle.

[dopper69]

IMO the tackle looked fairly clumsy, certainly not made with any malice. On another day if Eduardo's leg hadnt snapped I think we may have only seen a yellow personally. On another note Ive never thought that Taylor was an agreesive player anyway.

[broadsword]

Agreed, it's a one-footed challenge, one foot planted on the ground. After the challenge has been made the other foot follows through due to the momentum.

[dopper69]

Also is this the same Wenger that said of Eduardo's nasty and malicious challenge on Nani 'thats what happens when you show off'.

Typical of Wenger!

[BRFC1995]

clumsy ain't an excuse, if a bolton player does an identical thing to santa or bentley i'll be wanting minimum 10 match ban! clumsy tackles that don't result in injuries are completely different to this challenge u can't simply brush aside the damage done by saying the offending party was born clumsy. Its appalling your on a different planet to say it was hardly a sending off offence!

[dopper69]

clumsy ain't an excuse, if a bolton player does an identical thing to santa or bentley i'll be wanting minimum 10 match ban! clumsy tackles that don't result in injuries are completely different to this challenge u can't simply brush aside the damage done by saying the offending party was born clumsy. Its appalling your on a different planet to say it was hardly a sending off offence!

It wasnt a sending off IMO. At the end of the day football is a 'contact sport' and this tackle simply gets put down to bad luck. A number of factors contributed to the fact that he ended up with a compound fracture one of which was the fact the the tackle was clumsy(but not nasty). Another could well be due to the fact that Eduardos foot was firmly planted into the ground after knocking the ball forwards and coercing Taylor into the foul. It is atypical of the PC nanny squad on here to call for the hanging of a player making a sliding tackle that was in no way meant with any intention of injuring another. The way things are going we shall be playing 'tag' football in 5 years and perhaps covering the players in bubble wrap.

[BRFC1995]

you can't call it a sliding tackle when his studs are half way up his shin!

[dopper69]

you can't call it a sliding tackle when his studs are half way up his shin!

[BRFC1995]

that'll be asking were the tackle was, indeed were the slide part was?

[BRFC1995]

"lunge" seems more apt than tackle.

[S15]

I'm not going to make any more cases for my argument, but it is still beyond me how anyone can see the incident and the images yet suggest it wasn't an awful ''challenge.''

IMO there would be a different opinion if it was a different player.

[Wild Irish Rover]

clumsy ain't an excuse, if a bolton player does an identical thing to santa or bentley i'll be wanting minimum 10 match ban! clumsy tackles that don't result in injuries are completely different to this challenge u can't simply brush aside the damage done by saying the offending party was born clumsy. Its appalling your on a different planet to say it was hardly a sending off offence!

Get a ferkin grip.You speak ######

[Wild Irish Rover]

I'm not going to make any more cases for my argument, but it is still beyond me how anyone can see the incident and the images yet suggest it wasn't an awful ''challenge.''

IMO there would be a different opinion if it was a different player.

No question abhout it being an awful challenge - see my earlier remarks about Taylor being selected to play at this level. However, the ultimate question is one of intent. And in my opinion, Taylor in no way was guilty of intentionally injuring his opponent - he simply wasn't (nor ever will be) skillful enough to play without causing damage to others (at this level). He is a donkey and when a donkey kicks, bones will be broken.