[Archived] Realistic Summer Moves

[mode_m]

I agree with 1864roverite-- two new starters might be all that is needed. Rovers have a pretty good squad already and no sense spending tons of money on 5 players when you can get 2 quality players for that price; of course if players leave we will have to replace them with equal talent if not better but only time will tell with those deals.

[bats]

Not heard much about this one: an italian player from Roma, described as a less volatile barton

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=761140

[modes98]

3) The huge influx of money at so many clubs is raising the bar considerably every year. Look at the depth of squad at Everton, Spurs, Newcastle, Man City, Villa let alone the big four. We need to improve in order to keep up.

Villa have no squad depth, they are always moaning they have the smallest squad in the premiership.

Man City rely heavily on youth to fill any gaps that occur. Although that will change if Frank gets his money back.

Spurs just buy everyone, then wreck them

Everton haven't got that deep a squad, probably similar to ours.

[Hughesy]

Villa have no squad depth, they are always moaning they have the smallest squad in the premiership.

Man City rely heavily on youth to fill any gaps that occur. Although that will change if Frank gets his money back.

Spurs just buy everyone, then wreck them

Everton haven't got that deep a squad, probably similar to ours.

Yep - Villa - smallest squad - now without Carson, Mellberg and soon Barry too.

City - Although quite small, do have one or two that were missing through injury and also signed tehir 1st player so far.

Spurs - 50 players, but terrible together. Will improve alot this year, but still wont be finishing 4th.

Everton - Suprising how small their squad is. Lack of midfielders and also not much upfront after Yakubu & Johnson

[bennyboyt11]

We have a decent player turnover, but surely it's about keeping your best players?

Benni, Rocky, Samba, Ooijer, Roberts, Warnock, Dunn.

Not bad first team additions in the past 2 years, with very little cash available.

eurgh roberts

[donis1410]

why do people on this forum have such a problem with roberts, i think he is a good player and offers us a lot of strength and power, he has come on and done important things for us, or does everyone forget the goal he got against bolton coming off the bench last year????

[Eddie]

You mean the deflected shot?

He's an OK player. We could do much better. I'm not unhappy to see him at the club, but as money is so tight it is probably smart to cash in on him and bring in someone better.

Value for money he's probably also been Hughes' worst signing.

[Hughesy]

Roberts is all power. Nothing else. He has no end product and he isnt good enough for a team that want to be regular top 6. We need some with pace, power and an eye for goal

[Iceman]

why do people on this forum have such a problem with roberts, i think he is a good player and offers us a lot of strength and power, he has come on and done important things for us, or does everyone forget the goal he got against bolton coming off the bench last year????

you joking right?Strength and power maybe,but with no keeper in the box,open goal simple tap in,i would rather have the queen on the end of that to tap in,than Roberts...he would certainly hit it,high and wide.

[modes98]

I think Roberts would be ok with a tap in. It's when he is one on one with the keeper there is a problem, he seems unable to hit the big goal and miss the little keeper.

[joey_big_nose]

Yep - Villa - smallest squad - now without Carson, Mellberg and soon Barry too.

City - Although quite small, do have one or two that were missing through injury and also signed tehir 1st player so far.

Spurs - 50 players, but terrible together. Will improve alot this year, but still wont be finishing 4th.

Everton - Suprising how small their squad is. Lack of midfielders and also not much upfront after Yakubu & Johnson

Villa do have a small squad I agree but they will buy over the summer, and they will only buy quality. City already have a much deeper squad than ours with excellent young players. Everton have a lot of options in defence, a better midfield than us and Anchibe and Vaghan coming through up front who are very good. Spurs I agree, along with Newcastle, tend to screw things up despite having very good squads but will be super competitive if Ramos gets it right.

Pompey clearly are putting together an absolutely excellent team of depth and quality.

Spurs, City, Pompey, Everton and Villa will all spend big and all have very very good management teams - in stark contrast to two or three years ago.

On top of that Sunderland and newcastle will spend a lot (although the managemnt at these two is much more suspect in my opinion), and Southgate looks like he is now getting his head round management so Boro could drastically improve.

It is getting much more difficult. To look at it any other way is burying your head in the sand. I am just being realistic here.

No doubt a few of those clubs will underperform like Spurs and Newcastle have, but the average target is higher than it was last year and more of them will get in right imo.

[Majiball]

why do people on this forum have such a problem with roberts, i think he is a good player and offers us a lot of strength and power, he has come on and done important things for us, or does everyone forget the goal he got against bolton coming off the bench last year????

No-ones forgotten it, its just he also missed a lot of chances last year, that to be honest he should have put away, He was meant to be back up to Roque, with Derbs and McCarthy viaing for the other spot. He had a good spell with Benni, but otherwise really did not perform. If he's not playing he will kick up again, via the press as last time. I still think we will play a more defensive formation next year, based around a 451, just as Ince has done at MK and Macclesfield, ala Everton. Roque will be the man with that formation. If someone wants him, let him go, he will not score the 15 goals we need to push for 6th.

[joey_big_nose]

Brighi sounds plausible....

Looking for a move, Ince has Italian connections (can Ince speak Italian?), sort of player we need, affordable, comabtive which Ince will like....

Anybody familiar with Italian footie who can give us more of an insight?

[Majiball]

Brighi sounds plausible....

Looking for a move, Ince has Italian connections (can Ince speak Italian?), sort of player we need, affordable, comabtive which Ince will like....

Anybody familiar with Italian footie who can give us more of an insight?

I know its the Wiki, but gives you some kinda idea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matteo_Brighi

2002 young player of the year, he must have something.

[Presty On Tour]

The Brighi link is interesting though i think he may maybe expensive and it would be hard to prise him away from Rome with no european football etc. He's got to be a better player than the last Matteo we had at Rovers, milk could turn quicker than poor old Dom!

As for Roberts, I admit he's not my favorite player. Ince has said he will give everyone an opportunity but if a offer in the region of 3 million + was on the table for our Jase, he'd be gone. He has his strengths but his finishing is just not the creme de la creme at the top level.

[frosty]

Brighi sounds plausible....

Looking for a move, Ince has Italian connections (can Ince speak Italian?), sort of player we need, affordable, comabtive which Ince will like....

Anybody familiar with Italian footie who can give us more of an insight?

Made 24 appearances for Roma last season, but only 2 of these were starts.

[thenodrog]

Roberts is all power. Nothing else. He has no end product and he isnt good enough for a team that want to be regular top 6. We need some with pace, power and an eye for goal

Forget that Hughesy. My ambitions for the club are currently

1. Stay in the Prem.

2. Finish anywhere above half way..... will represent unqualified success this season imo.

[thenodrog]

He's an OK player. We could do much better. I'm not unhappy to see him at the club, but as money is so tight it is probably smart to cash in on him and bring in someone better.

Yeah good idea Eddie. So assuming that Roberts would fetch no more than 2 million who do you suggest offers better value for the same money or less?

C'mon don't be shy, you've obviously given this plenty of thought.

[neekoy]

Brighi sounds plausible....

Looking for a move, Ince has Italian connections (can Ince speak Italian?), sort of player we need, affordable, comabtive which Ince will like....

Anybody familiar with Italian footie who can give us more of an insight?

He can't even speak English...

I don't know why Roma would sell Brighi unless he wanted to go as he is the backup to Perrotta, and a pretty bloody good one.

This is just the kind of player though we should be looking at if it true however he is well and truely good enough to play in a champions league challenging team in any of the big three leagues so it looks remote IMHO

[Hughesy]

Forget that Hughesy. My ambitions for the club are currently

1. Stay in the Prem.

2. Finish anywhere above half way..... will represent unqualified success this season imo.

Well thats your ambition. Mine and the clubs is to improve on last season and try to finish higher.

We are obviously going to stay in the league - there are some much, much weaker teams than us in the league.

If our current squad doesnt finish top 10, then we will of been dissapointing!

[gumboots]

Well thats your ambition. Mine and the clubs is to improve on last season and try to finish higher.

We are obviously going to stay in the league - there are some much, much weaker teams than us in the league.

If our current squad doesnt finish top 10, then we will of been dissapointing!

Surely where it's realistic to expect us to finish depends on who stays and who goes. If we hold onto our better players and they play to their potential and we also add a couple of decent players then yes, I'd be disappointed not to finish in the top 6 but if we lose Santa Cruz and Bentley and can't get replacements in who play as well for us and the new players we bring in are not good enough then it will be great to finish top half. Avoiding relegation is always the first target for teams. They all love it when they get to the 40 point mark. It's what you do after that and how fast you get there that makes the difference with the top teams.

[Majiball]

Forget that Hughesy. My ambitions for the club are currently

1. Stay in the Prem.

2. Finish anywhere above half way..... will represent unqualified success this season imo.

For me that would not be good enough, I do not see why expectations should be lowered just because a change has occurred, the players as well will expect to be pushing top 6 again. A season like the one you are expecting will only lead to more players looking at greener pastures.

Surely where it's realistic to expect us to finish depends on who stays and who goes. If we hold onto our better players and they play to their potential and we also add a couple of decent players then yes, I'd be disappointed not to finish in the top 6 but if we lose Santa Cruz and Bentley and can't get replacements in who play as well for us and the new players we bring in are not good enough then it will be great to finish top half. Avoiding relegation is always the first target for teams. They all love it when they get to the 40 point mark. It's what you do after that and how fast you get there that makes the difference with the top teams.

I would like to think the club would not let them leave as is looking ever more likely, without replacements sorted. Ince's arrival should not effect our ambitions and I still believe we are more than capable of getting back into europe again. Yes 40 points is the first target but not the main one. If Roque goes to the Gooners, after they sack an pack Adey then we should be asking for Bendtner at min on loan plus a lot more cash than the 10M being quoted, Walcott on loan would also appeal to me.

[gumboots]

For me that would not be good enough, I do not see why expectations should be lowered just because a change has occurred, the players as well will expect to be pushing top 6 again. A season like the one you are expecting will only lead to more players looking at greener pastures.

I would like to think the club would not let them leave as is looking ever more likely, without replacements sorted. Ince's arrival should not effect our ambitions and I still believe we are more than capable of getting back into europe again. Yes 40 points is the first target but not the main one. If Roque goes to the Gooners, after they sack an pack Adey then we should be asking for Bendtner at min on loan plus a lot more cash than the 10M being quoted, Walcott on loan would also appeal to me.

Didn't say avoiding relegation was the main target but it must be the first. Quicker you get to that point more chance you have of doing better unless Curbishley's your manager in which case you might as well go on your holidays becasue you will not generally improve. Don't think Arsenal would loan us either of those players. I'm not lowering my aspirations but I do think we might need a touch of realism. It will be hard for Ince. there's a whole lot to learn in dealing with a bigger club. You're much more in the media spotlight to start with with the pressure that brings. Hope for great things but accept good things.

[Eddie]

Yeah good idea Eddie. So assuming that Roberts would fetch no more than 2 million who do you suggest offers better value for the same money or less?

C'mon don't be shy, you've obviously given this plenty of thought.

Do you want me to just list names? There are plenty of strikers out there who I think could be just as effective/be on lower wages/available for 2.5 million or less/are younger and have more potential. Would there me a point in me throwing names about? Roberts is big and has pace, so he causes problems for defenders SOMETIMES, but he can't finish, can't really pass and usually doesn't have a good first touch. He's not really much more effective than Kuqi.

[gumboots]

Do you want me to just list names? There are plenty of strikers out there who I think could be just as effective/be on lower wages/available for 2.5 million or less/are younger and have more potential. Would there me a point in me throwing names about? Roberts is big and has pace, so he causes problems for defenders SOMETIMES, but he can't finish, can't really pass and usually doesn't have a good first touch. He's not really much more effective than Kuqi.

Well, I'd like you to actually name them, tell me their price, and what chance we have of signing them and then tell me how they'll settle and fit into our country(if they are from abroad) and our team. I'm not a Roberts fan but i am very tired of people saying that there is better out there without naming them or listing what they would realistically give us that Roberts doesn't.