[Archived] Realistic Summer Moves

[Paul]

With what? wild assumptions and guesses that rarely turn out to be true.

To reiterate, you and pretty much everyone else on this board the same level of access to the information that Pip puts his spin on.

Yes he articulates better than most on here, however don’t be suckered in by his style, as his posts usually lack any substance or corroborative information.

That's a bit rich coming from someone who posted this only two hours earlier;

The question that every rovers fan should asking themselves; rather than solely concentrating on our ‘cheap option manager’ is this: where has the money from the summer disappeared to? We sold Bentley and recouped around 9-10 million, not to mention the additional 20 million in TV funding for this season.

It seems that the owners are ‘taking back’ some of the ‘minimal funding’ that they have put into the club.

Where is this additional £20 million in TV funding from?

[nicko]

not the way Burnley defended last night!!.

There are two ways to close a gap...

[Sandiway Blue]

There are two ways to close a gap...

Good to hear from you again Alan.

What positions do you think Ince will want to fill come January (assuming he is still here!) and how many players do you think he will sign? Thanks!

[gazsimm]

There are two ways to close a gap...

the gap will be wide open again, once Burnley slump back to mid table again and when Rovers appoint big fat sam!!!!!!

[nicko]

What positions do you think Ince will want to fill come January (assuming he is still here!) and how many players do you think he will sign? Thanks!

Right back...left back...right wing...centre midfield...maybe left wing...one or two strikers.

To be fair, every new manager wants to see what he has before he makes his changes and signings.

If Ince is backed then I think he will sign five or six.

If he isn't the next guy is going to probably have to recruit the same.

You can criticise the manager, by all means, but the squad isn't really very good at the moment.

[RevidgeBlue]

Nelsen and Samba seemed to do ok as I recall.

Without them you would have gone down, Mark Hughes would not be described as 'shrewd' in the market.

We weren't actually in any trouble when they signed were we?

[Majiball]

The player and his agent were over from Friday to Monday.

He stayed in Blackburn.

But I think he only had one day's training with the players.

There was a snag with the visa on the Thursday and he 'impressed' in training on Friday. So much so that he told people he was signing on Tuesday...

The trouble with these trials is that you don't have the time to judge players properly. It's a lottery that you won with Nelsen and Samba, but those are rare examples of players signed off trials. There will be dozens who came and went...and not just at your club either.

Mmm sounds familiar, does this guy have some Ghanaian blood in him? At least he trained with the players once in 4-5 days thats planning for you. Why does this one think he's signing as well, what are we saying to them?

If the trials are not arranged properly IE maximum training time possible whats the ruddy point to them. Having him across for a few days when only one is a training day defeats the whole idea of the trial. Surely we have scouted this guy a few times so must have an idea, and its been public as well, again.

If all the clubs are doing it why are we so public about it all? When did we hear about Nelsen and Samba personally for me it was the day they signed, maybe it was different on here? On a personal level I like the way these so called trials for young up-coming potentials who impress then don't sign, smacks of some sort of PR stunt to raise our hopes. Last time it was annan another well thought of kiddo who impressed and was told he was signing what odds the same with this chap.

[G Somerset Rover]

I may be being cynical but I can't imagine many if any of these cheap and cheerful foreign trialists having the stomach to dig in and fight their way out of trouble if we are still in trouble after the turn of the year.

If we are still struggling, we wil need real quality and people who are familiar with the Premiership.

I agree. I however cannot see the club pulling off an Andy Cole esque signing to get us out of trouble this time.

A few trialists is probably the best we can hope for, whether it is Ince or whoever in charge.

[gazsimm]

Right back...left back...right wing...centre midfield...maybe left wing...one or two strikers.

To be fair, every new manager wants to see what he has before he makes his changes and signings.

If Ince is backed then I think he will sign five or six.

If he isn't the next guy is going to probably have to recruit the same.

You can criticise the manager, by all means, but the squad isn't really very good at the moment.

the squad is quite good though ,i think Nicko, problem is Ince has had an awfull lot of injurys to cope with this season, like Dunn, Reid, grella, Emerton, Benni and Santa. Also i think Ince made a huge mistake in the summer not bringing in a right winger.

[nicko]

We weren't actually in any trouble when they signed were we?

Eh?

In Mark Hughes's first season you had won three games by the end of the year and were staring down the barrel.

Nelsen was huge in the second half of the campaign.

The alternatives at the time were Todd and Johansson.

[gazsimm]

I agree. I however cannot see the club pulling off an Andy Cole esque signing to get us out of trouble this time.

A few trialists is probably the best we can hope for, whether it is Ince or whoever in charge.

it's up to the club to try and bring in an Andy Cole esque signing, if they don't try they are risking Rovers place in the Prem, which will cost them a lot more then spending 8 or 9 million on a player.

[Tom]

Eh?

In Mark Hughes's first season you had won three games by the end of the year and were staring down the barrel.

Nelsen was huge in the second half of the campaign.

The alternatives at the time were Todd and Johansson.

Nicko I thik you may be confusing samba with The Axe.

[G Somerset Rover]

it's up to the club to try and bring in an Andy Cole esque signing, if they don't try they are risking Rovers place in the Prem, which will cost them a lot more then spending 8 or 9 million on a player.

I know this, but I'll bet the board do as they have done in the past 4-5 seasons and keep their hands in their pockets. Whoever the manager will be they'll just expect us to pull another Samba or Nelsen out of the bag, as well as probably signing a couple more for peanuts in Premiership terms.

As others have said, in the end our lack of spending will come back to bite us on the ar*se. And this seasons looking quite likely to be the one.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

Eh?

In Mark Hughes's first season you had won three games by the end of the year and were staring down the barrel.

Nelsen was huge in the second half of the campaign.

The alternatives at the time were Todd and Johansson.

You must mean the Axe because Samba was bought when we were doing fine (I think).

He bought T'Axe after the Boro game when Fat Eddie Murphy got a hat trick, you might have got confused.

Good to hear from you again.

[nicko]

You must mean the Axe because Samba was bought when we were doing fine (I think).

He bought T'Axe after the Boro game when Fat Eddie Murphy got a hat trick, you might have got confused.

Good to hear from you again.

Nelsen came in Hughes's first season, went straight in and was a rock.

Samba came a year later in better times.

Nelsen played a huge part in the side staying up...

The Axe came on trial too, but I would never suggest him as an example of a shrewd piece of business.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

I wasn't disputing the timing of Nelsen, just our World Class Centre Midfielder, Aaron Mokoena.

Lovechild of Robbie Savage and Gennaro Gattuso.

[nicko]

I wasn't disputing the timing of Nelsen, just our World Class Centre Midfielder, Aaron Mokoena.

Lovechild of Robbie Savage and Gennaro Gattuso.

There are some things you would rather forget.

[PAFELL]

Right back...left back...right wing...centre midfield...maybe left wing...one or two strikers.

To be fair, every new manager wants to see what he has before he makes his changes and signings.

If Ince is backed then I think he will sign five or six.

If he isn't the next guy is going to probably have to recruit the same.

You can criticise the manager, by all means, but the squad isn't really very good at the moment.

Have you heard anything from Rovers board with regards to Paul Ince still having their support or not? I believe you are right in saying every new manager has to look at what he has or does not have - which is what Ince has done. But he appears to be tactically niave - maybe because of his time away from the premier league.

The times newspaper has indicated Ince has not been going for his coaching lesson and has been playing golf instead. any truth in this?

[Sandiway Blue]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_4548403,00.html

Looks like `Rovers target` Tresor Mputu will sign for Marseile.

I don`t know how good this lad is but he does have a point when he says about English clubs not willing to sign african players straight away and cites Zaki at Wigan as being a perfect example.

[roverfanuk]

Right back...left back...right wing...centre midfield...maybe left wing...one or two strikers.

So basically a new squad then?

Oh and your forgetting. If Ooijer doesnt sign a new contract, we will need a center back too...

[nicko]

So basically a new squad then?

Oh and your forgetting. If Ooijer doesnt sign a new contract, we will need a center back too...

Centre back is the strongest part of the squad - you have four of decent standard. No point in selling any of them and creating another problem.

[Majiball]

Nicko,

Sorry you said that if Ince stays then he wants 5-6 players, so after wages and fees are you saying we have a serious kitty to get us out of our hole?

5-6 better players will cost money the likes of which we have never seen us spend.

Or is it that Ince wants 5-6 but won't get what he wants?

I have to ask, do you know if the board are still convinced?

[roverfanuk]

Centre back is the strongest part of the squad - you have four of decent standard. No point in selling any of them and creating another problem.

Nelsen - Hasn't been the same since his injury. Has some good games and a batch of terrible ones where he seems fixed to that spot on the pitch

Samba - Has some god awful matches where he is the sole reason for conceeding goals. In my opinion, needs someone strong and pacey alongside him for when he misses his tackles and when he goes forward. Nelsen it is not...

Ooijer - Contract is up at the end of the season.

Zurab - Is a good bench option, but should never be considered a first team contender

Have i missed somebody? Still think we need a CB signing for January... Look at the numbers of goals we have conceeded this season. Think the stats speak for themselves...

[Paul]

Nelsen - Hasn't been the same since his injury. Has some good games and a batch of terrible ones where he seems fixed to that spot on the pitch

Samba - Has some god awful matches where he is the sole reason for conceeding goals. In my opinion, needs someone strong and pacey alongside him for when he misses his tackles and when he goes forward. Nelsen it is not...

Ooijer - Contract is up at the end of the season.

Zurab - Is a good bench option, but should never be considered a first team contender

Have i missed somebody? Still think we need a CB signing for January... Look at the numbers of goals we have conceeded this season. Think the stats speak for themselves...

You haven't missed anyone but maybe missed a few games. Each are / have been very good at CB for Rovers. Once we get a settled side I think you'll see them back at their best.

[nicko]

Nicko,

Sorry you said that if Ince stays then he wants 5-6 players, so after wages and fees are you saying we have a serious kitty to get us out of our hole?

5-6 better players will cost money the likes of which we have never seen us spend.

Or is it that Ince wants 5-6 but won't get what he wants?

I have to ask, do you know if the board are still convinced?

I think there is enough money for a handful of signings - if not, why not?

The only people who can say how much the board are backing the manager is the board themselves. There is no way they would give out any clues on this, but there is a time soon when they have to answer the big question about spending in January.

The bottom line is that the squad needs improvement...do you back the manager to bring those players in or not.