[Archived] Realistic Summer Moves

[vintageadidas]

Personally there are a few players who I would move on before any of the Ince signings apart from Fowler who is a complete embarassment.

Mokoena, Reid, Roberts, Derbyshire. Potentially Pedersen and McCarthy if they do not sort out some sort of form.

That said I wouldn't be tempted to outlay on Simpson or Carlos at present - extend loans if we have to. Andrews seems like an okay player, who will be on cheap wages, does the basics and has a bit of vision, and really the only one of his type seeing as Dunn is permanently injured. If he can stay fit he will be a minor asset. I like look of Grella (but another crock...), Robinson is decent.

Problem for Ince is that he has not kept his players fit and in form rather than the quality of the aquisitions which has been average but not bad.

I agree with all of the aforementioned.

[tony gale's mic]

Personally there are a few players who I would move on before any of the Ince signings apart from Fowler who is a complete embarassment.

Mokoena, Reid, Roberts, Derbyshire. Potentially Pedersen and McCarthy if they do not sort out some sort of form.

That said I wouldn't be tempted to outlay on Simpson or Carlos at present - extend loans if we have to. Andrews seems like an okay player, who will be on cheap wages, does the basics and has a bit of vision, and really the only one of his type seeing as Dunn is permanently injured. If he can stay fit he will be a minor asset. I like look of Grella (but another crock...), Robinson is decent.

Problem for Ince is that he has not kept his players fit and in form rather than the quality of the aquisitions which has been average but not bad.

Agreed, but I'd keep Benni. He's looked like he's got the hunger back this season but through a combination of missed games and awful supply from the midfield he hasn't been able to get going. It was complete madness not selling him for 6 or 7 million or whatever it was to Sunderland in the summer though. Doubt we'll see anything above 3 million for him.

[scotchrover]

Hopefully, just hopefully we get the purse strings loosened on the transfer budget. The last big transfer we had was Andy Cole £8 Million??? which was under the Souness era way back in 2001.

Since then we have no big money signings and maybe just maybe there could be some money available. If there is the board need to back Paul in January or sack him. The amount of money they give in Jan will show if the board really think he's up to the job.

[vintageadidas]

I would really like us to try and sign Ivica Olić, he is a class player.

[roverfanuk]

Some transfer linkies for people to read if bored (from the evenly balanced Daily Mirror):

Vasilis Torosidis

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/200...15875-20922879/

Marc Janko

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/200...15875-20920550/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/200...15875-20915367/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/top...15875-20903916/

Hosney Abd-Rabou

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/200...15875-20920553/

Cristian Benitez

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/200...15875-20912644/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/200...15875-20920554/

Tore Reginiussen

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/latest/2008/...15875-20905277/

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport...t_at_Blackburn/

[vintageadidas]

Anyone heard of Matty to West Brom in Jan?

Hosney Abd-Rabou's wiki page states he was a Rovers fans since a child. Surely someone has been editing his page just like that striker who could run faster than Linford at his peak.

[gumboots]

That probably says more about the level of Marseille and French football to be fair - miles below the PL.

I lived near Marseille back in the early 1990s and have been back since for games at the Velodrome, it's my "French" team.

They play Liverpool tomorrow of course, and Tyrone Mears, on loan from Derby County, is in their squad.

That's hardly an advert for the quality of top division footy in France.

And of course, they will always sign more players from Africa due to the location and the climate, the history and the culture.

and the price. french football clubs run on strict budgets so the players are rarely top quality unless they get them in young and they turn out to be good in which case they leave the French league anyway. Marseille's French international goalie, Mandanda,a supposed potential target for Mark hughes a couple of weeks ago, is having a Gomez type 'mare at the moment

[Fraserkirky]

Nicko,

Whats the scoop with Stephen Appiah? Are we still interested or did his wage demands spook us?

I like the sound of Torodinis and the Norwegian CH fella.

Janko sounds decent as well. although we are crying out for pace up-front! Again we should have sold benni in the summer and bought cisse.

[roverfanuk]

Nicko,

Whats the scoop with Stephen Appiah? Are we still interested or did his wage demands spook us?

I don't think we have ever been linked to him have we?

[dingles staying down 4ever]

Anyone heard of Matty to West Brom in Jan?

A talksport presentor from the Midlands mentioned this a few weeks ago

[rover6]

Something tells me we will not send any player to a relegation rival, unless it's Aaron Mokoena or a member of our U18 side.

[nicko]

Nicko,

Whats the scoop with Stephen Appiah? Are we still interested or did his wage demands spook us?

Appiah is a strange one, a player of that pedigree should have a club - his demands or fitness must be a problem.

When you see so many clubs short of players it doesn't make sense that he doesn't have a home.

[herbergeehh]

3. Sharp; penetrating: a shrewd wind.

Which one of those definitions do you think describes Ince's acquisitions of Fowler and Andrews?!

Must be this one, if you ask Matty Derbyshire I'm sure he'll agree.

[Al]

Something tells me we will not send any player to a relegation rival, unless it's Aaron Mokoena or a member of our U18 side.

And that is a sign of the times! Rover6 talks of relegation rivals and nobody bats an eyelid.

A few games ago and he would have been torn to pieces.

[herbergeehh]

PS: Positive Reginiussen views from Norwegian media this morning, from an injured MGP (slight strain, will be back against Pompey): "Tore has done well, he's big, strong and good, he wouldn't be here if he wasn't. He got positive feedback from Ince and the staff."

He scored three goals in his first training session, apparently.

[joey_big_nose]

Hopefully, just hopefully we get the purse strings loosened on the transfer budget. The last big transfer we had was Andy Cole £8 Million??? which was under the Souness era way back in 2001.

Since then we have no big money signings and maybe just maybe there could be some money available. If there is the board need to back Paul in January or sack him. The amount of money they give in Jan will show if the board really think he's up to the job.

I don't give a toss about spending lots of money. Most of the big money signings we could potentially stretch to in the prem are average or rubbish - ie. most of the Spurs and Newcastle teams, Man City's new recruits, Andy Johnson etc. There are only a few players who has been signed for a fair bit of cash who i think we couldn't do as good as or better on budget is Yakubu at Everton, Martins at Newcastle, Alves at Boro. That sort of thing. Even then they have broadly been very up and down.

You have to spend 20-30m to get absolutely guaranteed quality. We definately can't afford that. (and even then you can mess it up - look at Shevchenko or Veron..)

Personally we need a few carefully selected targets, which do not necessarily need to be expensive. Santa Cruz, McCarthy, Ryan Nelsen, Tugay, Freidal have all doen a lot more for us than the big money signings at the end of the nineties. Quality not expense.

[The Prof.]

I don't give a toss about spending lots of money. Most of the big money signings we could potentially stretch to in the prem are average or rubbish - ie. most of the Spurs and Newcastle teams, Man City's new recruits, Andy Johnson etc. There are only a few players who has been signed for a fair bit of cash who i think we couldn't do as good as or better on budget is Yakubu at Everton, Martins at Newcastle, Alves at Boro. That sort of thing. Even then they have broadly been very up and down.

You have to spend 20-30m to get absolutely guaranteed quality. We definately can't afford that. (and even then you can mess it up - look at Shevchenko or Veron..)

Personally we need a few carefully selected targets, which do not necessarily need to be expensive. Santa Cruz, McCarthy, Ryan Nelsen, Tugay, Freidal have all doen a lot more for us than the big money signings at the end of the nineties. Quality not expense.

Good point.

[RevidgeBlue]

I don't give a toss about spending lots of money. Most of the big money signings we could potentially stretch to in the prem are average or rubbish - ie. most of the Spurs and Newcastle teams, Man City's new recruits, Andy Johnson etc. There are only a few players who has been signed for a fair bit of cash who i think we couldn't do as good as or better on budget is Yakubu at Everton, Martins at Newcastle, Alves at Boro. That sort of thing. Even then they have broadly been very up and down.

You have to spend 20-30m to get absolutely guaranteed quality. We definately can't afford that. (and even then you can mess it up - look at Shevchenko or Veron..)

Personally we need a few carefully selected targets, which do not necessarily need to be expensive. Santa Cruz, McCarthy, Ryan Nelsen, Tugay, Freidal have all doen a lot more for us than the big money signings at the end of the nineties. Quality not expense.

I wouldn't describe Andy Johnson as "rubbish" by any stretch - an outstanding signing for Fulham I would say.

Whilst much of what you say has merit you're really demanding that we continue to "pull rabbits out of hats" and there's no guarantee that any manager can do that consistently on a long term basis.

If you're going to go shopping in the bargain basement you're just as likely to end up with a Berner, Jeffers or a Rigters as a Samba, Nelsen or a Warnock.

[Lurid Coat]

What's the deal with Astrit Ajdarevic? Is he training with Rovers? Apparantly a huge talent, currently with the Liverpool Academy.

Not exactly someone who would come in and turn our fortunes around or be of any use in a relegation battle, considering he's only 18, but I'm curious.

[nicko]

What's the deal with Astrit Ajdarevic? Is he training with Rovers? Apparantly a huge talent, currently with the Liverpool Academy.

Not exactly someone who would come in and turn our fortunes around or be of any use in a relegation battle, considering he's only 18, but I'm curious.

He's just a possible squad man - along with several others who have been on trial or will be coming.

[Mozzer]

whose the left back we are looking at nicko??

early in the summer i know we was looking at paul konchesky-is it him???

i read an article about that al-muhammdi(sp)-saying he did well in training and provided pin point crosses for santa cruz and mcarthy-you heard anything on the situation with him??

[joey_big_nose]

I wouldn't describe Andy Johnson as "rubbish" by any stretch - an outstanding signing for Fulham I would say.

Whilst much of what you say has merit you're really demanding that we continue to "pull rabbits out of hats" and there's no guarantee that any manager can do that consistently on a long term basis.

If you're going to go shopping in the bargain basement you're just as likely to end up with a Berner, Jeffers or a Rigters as a Samba, Nelsen or a Warnock.

Andy Johnson has had a decent couple of weeks but I am pretty sure he will not get near the goals total of McCarthy or Cruz in their first seasons at the club.

Obviously having money to spend improves the range of players you can bring it, but all to frequently it is spent just because it is there and the team does not improve.

The worst thing that could happen is JW to get 30m quid from somewhere, give it to Ince or whoever comes in and just say "Spend It!" It would encourage the absolute wanton waste of money you have seen at Spurs, newcastle, Man City, Fulham, Boro to an extent; it would disupt the squad, and invite even further pressure on the players. The money needs to be drawn on for transfers, but I am not convinced by the spending our way out of trouble argument.

I would much rather see a focus on the team as a whole and what we need to strengthen rather than the notion that if we get in a superstar he will save us. What happens if he gets inured, or as so often is the cast, he turns out to be rubbish.

I just want sense to be exercised.

And when you say "pulling rabbits out of hats" what you actually mean is carefully researched and assessed targets. It is not magic or luck, it is care and attention. We can do it if we are intelligent and have excellent preparation.

Looking at the amount of big money buys who have turned out to be awful in the premiership I would say there is as much "pulling rabbits out of hats" there as with more budget signings.

[roverfanuk]

whose the left back we are looking at nicko??

early in the summer i know we was looking at paul konchesky-is it him???

i read an article about that al-muhammdi(sp)-saying he did well in training and provided pin point crosses for santa cruz and mcarthy-you heard anything on the situation with him??

Think it's Vasilis Torosidis of Olympiacos...

[Eddie]

He's a right back.

[bob fleming]

Centre back is the strongest part of the squad - you have four of decent standard. No point in selling any of them and creating another problem.

I agree. Which makes it all the starnger that we are being linked, stongly linked, with the cross dressing Norwegian who looks like a polar bear.