[Archived] Shocking!

[ABBEY]

truly shocking :angry :

cant believe this why in hells name can this evil bitch be allowed to have this done and be paid for by us muggins???????

[Flopsy]

erm, she didnt kill the kids, abbey, whatever the papers might try and tar her with. She got done for protecting her boyfriend by lying to the police, and has been punished for it. But she had nothing to do with the murder or diposal of the girls. She was bloody stupid and hindered the Police investigation, and was rightly punished for it, but really, Evil?

Dont be so bloody hysterical

[ABBEY]

so its ok for her to protect the scumbag huntly and have a boob job paid by the nhs ???

jesus flops you no standerds ,why is it hysterical???

if she has served her sentanence why is she being protected?? shes scum

[Shevchenko]

Without access to her chart, it is hard to judge the situation. She may have a perfectly valid medical problem that could be helped or solved through surgery. We don't know the clinical reasoning that her doctors have gone through in this case and as such, it's impossible to judge how right or wrong this may be.

If it is in fact medically reasonable that she should have this surgery, then she has every right to have it, regardless of previous crimes or convictions or even the nature of her crimes.

It's no reason to like her, or approve of her - but this is very sensationalist and intentionally shocking IMO. The "journalist" responsible for the piece wouldn't have had proper access to or knowledge of her medical status either.

[adopted scouser]

erm, she didnt kill the kids, abbey, whatever the papers might try and tar her with. She got done for protecting her boyfriend by lying to the police, and has been punished for it. But she had nothing to do with the murder or diposal of the girls. She was bloody stupid and hindered the Police investigation, and was rightly punished for it, but really, Evil?

Dont be so bloody hysterical

She was arrested for assisting an offender, as well as conspiring to obstruct the course of justice. The @#/? provided Huntley with an alibi, suggesting to police, that at the time the girls were abducted she was alone at the house with Huntley. However, investigators learned that she was actually in another town visiting her mother at the time of the girls' abduction and murders.

Don't be so naive.

Having said that, the way we look after scumbags in this country it's hardly surprising is it ?

[Flopsy]

No, I dont think any boob jobs, unless its necessary constructive/reconstructive surgery should be paid for on the NHS.

I hav plenty of Standards Abbey, thats why I dont read the tabloids, and I definately dont believe them over a storey like this.

She did wrong, by protecting her fiance, and she was punished for it. She wasnt/isnt Evil (thats the bit I was calling you hysterical over) just stupid, naive and has spent time in jail for it.

Did she kill the girls? No

Did she help kill the girls? No

Did she help bury or dispose of the bodies? No

Did she give an alibi to her fiance? Yes

Was it a lie? Yes

Has she served Prison time? Yes

Did she deserve it? Yes

Is she worse than Hindley? Good god no.

Scouse - you were a copper - how many wives/girlfriends/husbands/other family members used to provide false alibis?

[Rovermatt]

As a teenager, Carr used to proudly flaunt her large breasts at boozy parties. She had a bee tattooed on one of them and flashed them at a karaoke night in a pub.

The evil runs deep seemingly.

[Flopsy]

this is just my opinion, but Im pretty certain the press were trying to make them both into the present day Moors Murderers - ie man and women on murdering spree. And made Carr out accordingly.

[Presty On Tour]

This maybe a stupid question but here we go:

when she was released from prison, she was given a new identity. So how do the press know all this?

[broadsword]

It's not as if the tax payer hasn't spent any money on her before ... we've had to pay to lock her up, I should imagine those costs exceed paying for her operation by some distance.

If someone has served their custodial sentence then they are entitled to free medical treatment just like anyone else. or are you suggesting she wears sackcloth and ashes for the rest of her life. If someone commits armed robbery (for which they'd serve a longer sentence), then breaks their arm, is it hard li8nes when they turn up at A&E because they have a record? Or is this exclusion only applicable to criminals that the tabloids put on the front page?

Whether any breast augmentation should be paid for by the NHS is another matter.

[Tim Southampton Rover]

She was wrong by lying to police but she did her time for it (although not the full sentence) so she should be free to do as she pleases.

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

Some liberals seem to have the view that Maxine Carr is a lovely little sweetie who has been demonised by the nasty right-wing tabloids.

My own view is that Carr is a greedy selfish lying cow who hindered a major police investigation and perverted the course of justice. (I mention the word "greed" as she was also guilty of twenty counts of benefit fraud.)

She's a liar who felt it was more important to protect her boyfriend rather than help the police search for two girls that she claimed to care about.

She's not a murderer, but she's a greedy selfish lying cow. As a taxpayer I don't think I should be paying for her boob job. (I've long held the view that the NHS shouldn't be paying for any boob jobs or indeed paying for any gender reassignment surgery.)

If women want to increase the size of their boobs or if transsexuals want to have their willies chopped off and to grow breasts, then I feel they should pay for it themselves. Some people might think this is heartless - but the NHS is currently heartless because it's denying people vital cancer drugs on the grounds of cost.

If resources in the NHS are so stretched and limited, then in my view cancer patients should come first above boob jobs and gender reassignment. For example in the case of Anthony Wilson, the late Manchester boss of 'Factory Records' who died last year, it was recommended that he take the drug "Sutent" - but the NHS refused to pay for this £3,500-a-month kidney cancer drug.

Before he died Tony Wilson said: "When they told me I would have to pay £3,500 for the drugs each month, I thought where am I going to find the money? I'm the one person in this industry who famously has never made any real money. I used to say that some people make money and some make history - which is funny until you find you can't afford to keep yourself alive. I've never paid for private healthcare because I'm a socialist. Now I find you can get tummy tucks and cosmetic surgery on the NHS but not the drugs I need to stay alive. It is a scandal."

It's a crazy situation that while Tony was turned down by the NHS, other patients living just a few miles away in Cheshire received funding for the drug. It all depends on what your postcode is - "the postcode lottery" as they say.

The NHS have the money to pay for Maxine Carr's £3,000 boob operation and the NHS has the money to pay for thousands of gender reassignments - but if you live in Manchester and want to stay alive because you've got kidney cancer, then forget it.

when she was released from prison, she was given a new identity. So how do the press know all this?

The press is aware of her new identity and where she lives, but cannot print the facts because of a court injunction. A few years ago Carr won a ruling which prevents the media from revealing any information that could lead to her being identified, including the type of job she does or the town she lives in.

The press were allowed to say that Carr had been living in a safe house in the Midlands - but were not allowed to reveal the actual town.

Link: Mob forces Maxine Carr out of her Midlands safe house

The report in The Times says that: "a house was hurriedly refurbished in time for her arrival, allowing officers to install alarm systems and panic buttons."

Mmm, I wonder who paid for all that? It must be costing us a bloody fortune to be giving her these safe houses and such a high level of protection for the rest of her life.

[den]

If women want to increase the size of their boobs or if transsexuals want to have their willies chopped off and to grow breasts, then I feel they should pay for it themselves.

It's a crazy situation that while Tony was turned down by the NHS, other patients living just a few miles away in Cheshire received funding for the drug. It all depends on what your postcode is.

Wow steady on AESF. Any more of that and we'll have to put willies into the swear word filter.

As for your second point, surprisingly the post code lottery does still exist. I myself have been recently harassing my MP, and have been in contact with Dawn Primarolo regarding one desperately needed drug being prescribed around the country, except for three areas of England. I've had a couple of replies on the subject, but neither of them satisfactory, so I'm still badgering. It's the local health professionals that apparently have the power to decide whether to supply the drugs in their area. Whilst they have guidelines to follow, they don't always come to the same conclusion. I think the bottom line is that the pro's are a little scared of the costs of the new cancer drugs. That wrongly influences their decisions.

[T4E]

So basically, some bird is getting bigger tits.

I dont see the problem.

[Flopsy]

Some liberals seem to have the view that Maxine Carr is a lovely little sweetie who has been demonised by the nasty right-wing tabloids.

My own view is that Carr is a greedy selfish lying cow who hindered a major police investigation and perverted the course of justice. (I mention the word "greed" as she was also guilty of twenty counts of benefit fraud.)

She's a liar who felt it was more important to protect her boyfriend rather than help the police search for two girls that she claimed to care about.

She's not a murderer, but she's a greedy selfish lying cow. As a taxpayer I don't think I should be paying for her boob job. (I've long held the view that the NHS shouldn't be paying for any boob jobs or indeed paying for any gender reassignment surgery.)

How is she greedy - and the reason she has to live in those safe houses with all the protection is because the right wing media has demonised her and continue to imply that she had a hand in the kids death. Which she didnt. And the mob is raised because they're so ###### stupid that they believe the right wing press

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But I agree that cosmetic surgery should not be allowed on the NHS unless for reconstructive surgery - although if its cheaper than treating people for true clinical depression then maybe it is cost effective.

But thats a different argument. She aint evil, shes a stupid women who protected the man she loved. Who turned out to be a lying murdering @#/?. She served a prison sentance, and should now be allowed to live in peace and it would cost a lot less to the tax payer if the press stopped writting these pathetic little fillers.

[American]

So basically, some bird is getting bigger tits.

I dont see the problem.

one way to look at it.

[blue phil]

How is she greedy - and the reason she has to live in those safe houses with all the protection is because the right wing media has demonised her and continue to imply that she had a hand in the kids death. Which she didnt. And the mob is raised because they're so ###### stupid that they believe the right wing press

She aint evil, shes a stupid women who protected the man she loved. Who turned out to be a lying murdering @#/?. She served a prison sentance, and should now be allowed to live in peace and it would cost a lot less to the tax payer if the press stopped writting these pathetic little fillers.

I'll cut out the bit that contravenes the board guidelines and which only serves to make you look a bit silly .....

Firstly , as AESF pointed out she was convicted of fraud which does tend to give credence to the accusation that she is greedy . Presumably you think that it doesn't .

Secondly , could you give some examples of the "right wing" media implying that she was responsible for the kids' deaths . I've never come across that at all . Maybe you're just doing a bit of hysterical assuming yourself in another of your your tiresome rants against the evil media .....

Thirdly , you state that she "ain't" evil but only stupid . Maybe I'm part of the "mob" who don't have your enlightened views on law and order but I would argue that someone who knowingly tries to cover up the murders of two girls in order to protect their killer - not to mention the fact that she not only knew the girls but was their teaching assistant - is more worthy of the former adjective than the latter .

If she had succeeded in her plans then Huntley may well have gone on to kill and abuse again - these kind of people usually do if you haven't already noticed . The fact that Huntley was "the man she loved" (as you touchingly describe the relationship) doesn't hold much clout to those with a truer sense of what is right and wrong - and what is evil and what is stupid .

Now for some reason , Flopsy , you get holier than thou and take on a ridiculous sense of self righteousness whenever a minor motoring offence is mentioned . I've lost count of the number of times you've gone into melt down when I've admitted to speeding on the odd occasion .

Yet when it comes to the case of someone convicted of aiding and abetting child killers you suddenly start showing a more sympathetic side to yourself . Why is that ?

[thenodrog]

So basically, some bird is getting bigger tits.

I dont see the problem.

Hmmm I'm not suprised given that both you and Flopsy have selected small pussy's as your avotars!

[T4E]

As opposed to a stuffed animal with a hole in its arse?

[RoversFanUSA]

WOW! I really cant belive that chicks are getting titties because they say it makes them depressed. Shes getting married so it must not be affecting her way with men all that much. Utterly discusting.

[Rovermatt]

Some liberals seem to have the view that Maxine Carr is a lovely little sweetie who has been demonised by the nasty right-wing tabloids.

Yet the link to the original story comes from that great tome of hysterical conservatism the Mirror.

Can you actually produce any evidence of people claiming she's a 'lovely sweetie'? Pointing out that she's not the monster that Huntley is does not constitute a desire to have her move in next door.

[thenodrog]

As opposed to a stuffed animal with a hole in its arse?

Hope you aren't suggesting anything improper between me and my 'Mohammed' Toogs?

[mrsjansen]

I'll cut out the bit that contravenes the board guidelines and which only serves to make you look a bit silly .....

Firstly , as AESF pointed out she was convicted of fraud which does tend to give credence to the accusation that she is greedy . Presumably you think that it doesn't .

Secondly , could you give some examples of the "right wing" media implying that she was responsible for the kids' deaths . I've never come across that at all . Maybe you're just doing a bit of hysterical assuming yourself in another of your your tiresome rants against the evil media .....

Thirdly , you state that she "ain't" evil but only stupid . Maybe I'm part of the "mob" who don't have your enlightened views on law and order but I would argue that someone who knowingly tries to cover up the murders of two girls in order to protect their killer - not to mention the fact that she not only knew the girls but was their teaching assistant - is more worthy of the former adjective than the latter .

If she had succeeded in her plans then Huntley may well have gone on to kill and abuse again - these kind of people usually do if you haven't already noticed . The fact that Huntley was "the man she loved" (as you touchingly describe the relationship) doesn't hold much clout to those with a truer sense of what is right and wrong - and what is evil and what is stupid .

Now for some reason , Flopsy , you get holier than thou and take on a ridiculous sense of self righteousness whenever a minor motoring offence is mentioned . I've lost count of the number of times you've gone into melt down when I've admitted to speeding on the odd occasion .

Yet when it comes to the case of someone convicted of aiding and abetting child killers you suddenly start showing a more sympathetic side to yourself . Why is that ?

Also the fact that she went on national TV pleading for the girls safe return, whilst holding up a card one of the girls had given to her on the end of term has to be someone who is calculated and new what she was doing.

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

Broadcaster Dimbleby speaks of "lamentable gaps in cancer care" after his lover dies of breast cancer.

So the NHS doesn't have the resources to get someone out to see a woman in terrible pain with breast cancer - NHS support wasn't available to her, but the NHS does have the resources to give a £3,000 boob job to a jailed criminal.

Clearly in this country the NHS has got it's priorities totally wrong.

[Flopsy]

different area and Trust, ASEF I'm guessing.