[Archived] Hang Em High

[Paul Mellelieu]

You’re forgetting the small fact that Mr Brown despicably raided private pensions - to the tune of several billions. Robbery on a massive scale.

What I don’t understand with the likes of you Paul; is that you are so blinkered in your praise for this catastrophic Labour government is that you will still support them even though the majority of their actions go against your own personal belief.

You gripe and criticise the Tories yet Labour -( especially under Blair) was further right than the Tories on many policies- hardly the bastion of socialism.

I take your point entirely: I'm no fan of the Labour leaders, but they've done some good things: minimum wage, gender and race equality, NHS waiting lists down to weeks rather than years. There's a long list and the Tories will make it worse, far worse.

[tony gale's mic]

If the Thatcher policies were so bad then why have Labour not changed them, simple as that.

Can you not read? I refered to over paid under acheiving managers, I never mentioned directors of anything.

get my drift?

To be fair what you are referring to is also an offshoot of what Paul referred to.

Take the NHS, to sort out all the problems with that you'd think it would need the best managers. But when the private sector is offering wages several times the size that the public sector could ever dream of, what would you expect? They have to give them competitive wages to stop at least a few from crossing to the other side, but you're not going to be left with the cream of the crop or anything close when they can earn so much more in the City.

[Paul Mellelieu]

If the Thatcher policies were so bad then why have Labour not changed them, simple as that.

Can you not read? I refered to over paid under acheiving managers, I never mentioned directors of anything.

get my drift?

Directors are managers. The biggest waste is in private sector companies fleecing the likes of you and me. Barclays £7bn profits.

[yoda]

Directors are managers. The biggest waste is in private sector companies fleecing the likes of you and me. Barclays £7bn profits.

wake up and smell the coffee

What is legislation for?

[American]

Don't get me started on the over blown budget of the BBC. Waste and overcharging can happen in the public sector as well.

Germany has become less socialised and improved because of it, so there goes the socialism is the best theory (of course it also went because you can't randomly throw countries out of the equation just because they don't fit your theories). Unfortunately, there is no one solution.

And many parts of the US are overcrowded (many of the parts that aren't are because of farming and livestock). Just like in Britain, we feel the need to allow more immigration because it improves the economy. Unfortunately, it only improves it because it brings more consumers, not because we get better and faster at what we do.

Another question - have you ever turned down a raise because there are people earning less than you? Have you ever given the government more tax money than you should because it will help the more disadvantaged?

[Bing]

Just back on crime - in my opinion it's a complete lack of structure, discipline and sense of belonging that is prevalant amongst a large proportion of our young people today.

Up here it takes the form of anti-social behaviour and casual violence (see the cases of Gary Newlove and Sophie Lancaster) and in London knives tend to be involved.

These kids aren't rotten to the core. If you watch Bad Lads Army, these lads go in thinking they know it all but strong male role models, a tough regime of discipline (totally gone from our education system now) and structured routine can transform them. The collapse of the family and lack of strong father figures has left a void in many of their lives.

These issues need long-term solutions. In the short-term we need a return to proper policing with good coppers being free from the clutches of the fast-track promoted limp-wristed liberals like Ian Blair and the utterly hopeless tokener Tarique Ghaffur. Talk to any good copper (one who actually joined to catch crims and lock them up - you probably won't find that in any police force mission statement these days) and they'll tell you how disaffected our police officers are with their impotent leadership.

[Paul Mellelieu]

wake up and smell the coffee

What is legislation for?

i have no idea what you mean.

[yoda]

To be fair what you are referring to is also an offshoot of what Paul referred to.

Take the NHS, to sort out all the problems with that you'd think it would need the best managers. But when the private sector is offering wages several times the size that the public sector could ever dream of, what would you expect? They have to give them competitive wages to stop at least a few from crossing to the other side, but you're not going to be left with the cream of the crop or anything close when they can earn so much more in the City.

Directors are managers. The biggest waste is in private sector companies fleecing the likes of you and me. Barclays £7bn profits.

If the private sector are paying such good salaries then the businesses must be earning the money to pay it, but that is a gross generalisation.

Its no good quoting the city wallers in this because there are not too many of them(even though they get paid an obscene amount, paid not earned that is) and they are not the type of managers you would want in a hospital.

I had my business accounts with Barclays and I never got fleeced. You have to be able to negotiate with them to get the best deal.

No the root of the problem is less than adequate management from top to bottom,

otherwise everything would be hunky dory and its not!

do what you have always done and get what you have always had

[Bing]

I had my business accounts with Barclays and I never got fleeced. You have to be able to negotiate with them to get the best deal.

My employer has their accounts with Barclays. I deal with people from Barclays almost every day through my job and we get a faultless service. I'm sure most other businesses who deal with them get similar satisfaction, hence why they are so profitable.

I believe managers in the NHS who deliver measurable success and improve the service to patients should be well rewarded and well paid.

We'd be able to do that if we didn't have so many non-jobs such as this...

http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/job/611112/equa...ersity-manager/

[yoda]

i have no idea what you mean.

I know you don't, try joining the real world

[yoda]

My employer has their accounts with Barclays. I deal with people from Barclays almost every day through my job and we get a faultless service. I'm sure most other businesses who deal with them get similar satisfaction, hence why they are so profitable.

I believe managers in the NHS who deliver measurable success and improve the service to patients should be well rewarded and well paid.

We'd be able to do that if we didn't have so many non-jobs such as this...

http://jobs.guardian.co.uk/job/611112/equa...ersity-manager/

Spot on Bing, I doff my cap to you.

[thenodrog]

If the Thatcher policies were so bad then why have Labour not changed them, simple as that.

Yeah it's mighty odd that. I seem to rem Labour making promise after promise to re-nationalise the privatised industries as soon as they got their chance. I wonder what happened to those promises cos they've been mighty quiet about that since Teflon Tony walked into No 10 with arms aloft...... btw I rather suspect you'd have been having a tug right at that moment Paul.

[thenodrog]

Well the private sector pays far more that the public sector for similar work. For example a Director of a Social Service Department, with a budget of tens of millions of pounds responsible for the care of the elderly and vulnerable children is paid around £95k a year; a good wage, but something a city worker would laugh at. A social worker, responsible for the welfare of vulnerable children is typically paid £25-30k. Some half brained berk in advertising wouldn't get out of bed for that. Get my drift?

Yeah I do. Those employed in the public sector obviously failed either their final exams or their interviews! Things have a habit of finding their own level in society. I'm suprised that you cannot see that. Your mind really does work in strange way.

[yoda]

Yeah it's mighty odd that. I seem to rem Labour making promise after promise to re-nationalise the privatised industries as soon as they got their chance. I wonder what happened to those promises cos they've been mighty quiet about that since Teflon Tony walked into No 10 with arms aloft...... btw I rather suspect you'd have been having a tug right at that moment Paul.

Yeah I do. Those employed in the public sector obviously failed either their final exams or their interviews! Things have a habit of finding their own level in society. I'm suprised that you cannot see that. Your mind really does work in strange way.

Hence why I suggested that Paul Mellelieu should join the real world, unlikely to happen I know

[Paul Mellelieu]

Spot on Bing, I doff my cap to you.

Why don't you both knob off to the 1950s.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Hence why I suggested that Paul Mellelieu should join the real world, unlikely to happen I know

And making deals with Barclays is?

[Paul Mellelieu]

Yeah I do. Those employed in the public sector obviously failed either their final exams or their interviews! Things have a habit of finding their own level in society. I'm suprised that you cannot see that. Your mind really does work in strange way.

Well can't be me, because I've done neither.

Is your level spending all day on here making a dick of yourself, instead of contributing to the nation's wealth?

[Bing]

Why don't you both knob off to the 1950s.

Excuse me?

I believe in free market economics, making public services more efficient through better management and that businesses who are innovative and deliver excellent services shouldn't be punished or scolded for being profitable.

You're a socialist.

Who's the one stuck in the 50s?

[yoda]

Why don't you both knob off to the 1950s.

would you care to expand on what you mean by going back to the 1950's ?

[tony gale's mic]

Yeah I do. Those employed in the public sector obviously failed either their final exams or their interviews! Things have a habit of finding their own level in society. I'm suprised that you cannot see that. Your mind really does work in strange way.

That's funny, next year I'll be employed in the public sector along with about 5,000 similar folk, and I very much doubt you, or most folks in the private sector would have beaten us in any exams or interviews...

[yoda]

And making deals with Barclays is?

I don't know, why don't you explain, you always seem lacking on content in your posts

[Bazzanotsogreat]

Excuse me?

I believe in free market economics, making public services more efficient through better management and that businesses who are innovative and deliver excellent services shouldn't be punished or scolded for being profitable.

You're a socialist.

Who's the one stuck in the 50s?

If anyone is stuck in a timewarp its PM? the only three people that truly believe in Communism are Kim Jong-Il, Casto & Chavez- the less said about those three the better

[yoda]

That's funny, next year I'll be employed in the public sector along with about 5,000 similar folk, and I very much doubt you, or most folks in the private sector would have beaten us in any exams or interviews...

I see the elitist doctrine has been instilled already!

[tony gale's mic]

I see the elitist doctrine has been instilled already!

I was merely responding to theno's idiotic statement. There's many areas of the public sector where those who perform excellently in exams and interviews work in.

[Paul Mellelieu]

would you care to expand on what you mean by going back to the 1950's ?

Your juvenile quip regarding a job aimed at promoting equality in the London Ambulance Service. I tend to be reminded of the 1950s.