[Archived] Hang Em High

[BuckyRover]

I think you are wrong there tgm. I must say that I don't often frequent inner city wine bars or college campus's but I must say the 'right wing views' that Phil alludes to seems to me to be shared by the majority of society out in the real world around here imo. And those 'right wing views' really need reclassifying cos they are held by people from most political persuasions.

thenodrog: the voice of Britain

[thenodrog]

Thank you Bucky. It's taken long enough but you appear to be maturing somewhat. Keep it up.

[tony gale's mic]

I think you are wrong there tgm. I must say that I don't often frequent inner city wine bars or college campus's but I must say the 'right wing views' that Phil alludes to seems to me to be shared by the majority of society out in the real world around here imo. And those 'right wing views' really need reclassifying cos they are held by people from most political persuasions.

Any views that are "massively" more right wing than the Daily Mail's views as blue phil puts it would pretty much be BNP territory. And despite their miniscule gains they will always be on the fringes of society.

I rarely encounter folk with Daily Mail-esque opinions and theyre certainly not shared by the majority of the society that surrounds me, luckily.

[thenodrog]

I think you are wrong there tgm. I must say that I don't often frequent inner city wine bars or college campus's but I must say the 'right wing views' that Phil alludes to seems to me to be shared by the majority of society out in the real world around here imo. And those 'right wing views' really need reclassifying cos they are held by people from most political persuasions.

Any views that are "massively" more right wing than the Daily Mail's views as blue phil puts it would pretty much be BNP territory. And despite their miniscule gains they will always be on the fringes of society.

I rarely encounter folk with Daily Mail-esque opinions and theyre certainly not shared by the majority of the society that surrounds me, luckily.

Very dismissive retort tgm. I've quoted my opinion and yours ....... and I can assure you that as usual mine is correct! Also if the people who hold and express those views all voted BNP then it's likely they would be forming the next govt.

[tony gale's mic]

Very dismissive retort tgm. I've quoted my opinion and yours ....... and I can assure you that as usual mine is correct! Also if the people who hold and express those views all voted BNP then it's likely they would be forming the next govt.

You have such a simplistic view of the world. I could say I don't frequent Countryside Alliance meetings and working class pubs (although the second statement wouldnt be entirely true) and yet the "left wing" viewpoints (I put it in inverted commas as I only mean left as opposed to the Daily Mail - even the Times is "left wing" compared to the Mail) seem much more prevalent. I encounter the real world and real people on a day to day basis.

And not really sure what you're trying to get at with your second point. Views massively right of the Daily Mail's output (or even moderately right of the Daily Mail) WOULD be BNP views. That's not me trying to be opinionated, that's not even a matter of bias. You look at what the daily agenda of the Mail is and it really isn't very far removed from the BNP's manifesto. I'd say there is a space between them but it's really not very big. Therefore, if the majority of people did really hold these views then a large percentage of them would be voting BNP. Not all of them, maybe not even most of them. But enough people would be voting for them to even stand a chance of winning a parlimentary seat. The fact that isn't the case speaks volumes. Thankfully.

[FourLaneBlue]

That's because it simply isn't there !

The sad truth is that those who insist on calling the Mail the Hate Mail or the Daily Heil or whatever are all - and I mean ALL - products of our very poor sixth form and university system (or should I say polytechnic system) . There seems to be a self repeating liberal/socialist doctrine in these places that is impervious to ouside influence . I come across massively more right wing views every single day of the year both in the workplace and in the pubs than the Mail would ever dream of printing . So do most people .....

Usually after a few years in the real world* these dreamy class and race warriors grow up and start to act like normal human beings instead of indoctrinated children .

* Obviously this does not apply to those who "work" in the public sector doing "jobs" such as those advertised in the Guardian . There , the indoctrination continues ....

I agree that the criticism of The Daily Mail is over the top but then again so is the criticism of The Guardian...which you yourself deride on many an occasion although it was nice to see the self-awareness in your last comment! If you believe their opponents then these two papers are only ever concerned with right/left issues but in reality, and although both have an agenda, they are newspapers. They do not brainwash people. I read both and think I am unbiased enough to believe that both have their agenda yet both employ some damn good journalists and tackle important issues.

Who unquestioningly always believes what a newspaper says anyway? I browse through both on the net and the only reason I spend more time on The Guardian website is because its footy coverage is far better and probably the best of all the papers. The Telegraph has also been good in that regard however plus is improving and The Times is catching up.

[yoda]

You have such a simplistic view of the world. I could say I don't frequent Countryside Alliance meetings and working class pubs (although the second statement wouldnt be entirely true) and yet the "left wing" viewpoints (I put it in inverted commas as I only mean left as opposed to the Daily Mail - even the Times is "left wing" compared to the Mail) seem much more prevalent. I encounter the real world and real people on a day to day basis.

And not really sure what you're trying to get at with your second point. Views massively right of the Daily Mail's output (or even moderately right of the Daily Mail) WOULD be BNP views. That's not me trying to be opinionated, that's not even a matter of bias. You look at what the daily agenda of the Mail is and it really isn't very far removed from the BNP's manifesto. I'd say there is a space between them but it's really not very big. Therefore, if the majority of people did really hold these views then a large percentage of them would be voting BNP. Not all of them, maybe not even most of them. But enough people would be voting for them to even stand a chance of winning a parlimentary seat. The fact that isn't the case speaks volumes. Thankfully.

So next to nobody buys the Mail then, I don't and very seldom did, some body will have the circulation figures on here in no time at all though to back up their points.

Regarding being a socilalist, which I have never pretended to be, I would probably like to try one day if I ever have enough money!

[SouthAussieRover]

Regarding being a socilalist, which I have never pretended to be, I would probably like to try one day if I ever have enough money!

Who knows, maybe you will have enough money one day with all those pensions you reckon you'll be entitled to!

[yoda]

Who knows, maybe you will have enough money one day with all those pensions you reckon you'll be entitled to!

fingers crossed

and good financial planning of course.

2 pensions already sorted and the 3rd in the contribution stage.

should be able to afford a nice bottle of wine at the week ends hic

still 13 years to go yet though

[SouthAussieRover]

fingers crossed

and good financial planning of course.

2 pensions already sorted and the 3rd in the contribution stage.

should be able to afford a nice bottle of wine at the week ends hic

still 13 years to go yet though

Yoda the "champagne socialist" !

[yoda]

Yoda the "champagne socialist" !

Yoda the "champagne socialist" ! my old gen studies teacher at Blackburn Colledge would love that (he preached communism and help classes in the Vulcan instead of teaching general studies in the class room)

anyway don't like champagne, a nice Burgundy for me or the El Coto red from Spain, mean while nibbling on olives and hot pickled chillies from China,

Might even have a Khyber or 2 flown is as well.

isn't travel wonderfull?

[Paul]

So next to nobody buys the Mail then, I don't and very seldom did, some body will have the circulation figures on here in no time at all though to back up their points.

For me it's not about the Daily Mail itself, I read it in the barber's once every six weeks, but about the inage it presents. On the odd occassion I do read this paper the journalism is poor and the majority of articles are sensational / reactionary. I make off the cuff remarks about the Mail / Guardian as a throw-away remark. It's a jokey stereotype along the the lines of all Graundian readers wear beards and sandals. It seems to me the papers in this country fall into three brackets; the broadsheets who look to take themselves seriously, the tabloids (Sun, Star etc.) which really can't be called newspapers any more, plus the Express (the Daily Diana illustrates the point) and Mail. I suspect the Express and Mail woud view themselves as serious papers but in their strive for circulation they battle against both the other groups and try to be popularist and serious at the same time. The end result is silly mish-mash, neither one thing nor the other, which I couldn't take seriously, hence the throw-awy remarks about the Daily Mail.

We take the Observer and Guardian at the weekend, both papers I find boring and old-fashioned. For good news coverage, off beat journalism and general interest I think The Independent does a good job and is very worthwhile reading.

[thenodrog]

Who unquestioningly always believes what a newspaper says anyway? I browse through both on the net and the only reason I spend more time on The Guardian website is because its footy coverage is far better and probably the best of all the papers. The Telegraph has also been good in that regard however plus is improving and The Times is catching up.

Ditto FLB. Anybody who believes anything that they read in a red top should lose the right to vote and the Express / Mail are for middle aged women aren't they? Dunno who I'd pin to the Independent..... I've never had a reason to ever read it.

[yoda]

For me it's not about the Daily Mail itself, I read it in the barber's once every six weeks, but about the inage it presents. On the odd occassion I do read this paper the journalism is poor and the majority of articles are sensational / reactionary. I make off the cuff remarks about the Mail / Guardian as a throw-away remark. It's a jokey stereotype along the the lines of all Graundian readers wear beards and sandals. It seems to me the papers in this country fall into three brackets; the broadsheets who look to take themselves seriously, the tabloids (Sun, Star etc.) which really can't be called newspapers any more, plus the Express (the Daily Diana illustrates the point) and Mail. I suspect the Express and Mail woud view themselves as serious papers but in their strive for circulation they battle against both the other groups and try to be popularist and serious at the same time. The end result is silly mish-mash, neither one thing nor the other, which I couldn't take seriously, hence the throw-awy remarks about the Daily Mail.

We take the Observer and Guardian at the weekend, both papers I find boring and old-fashioned. For good news coverage, off beat journalism and general interest I think The Independent does a good job and is very worthwhile reading.

I was just questioning tony gales mic comment about how many people read the mail, he seemed to be suggesting that if it was significant numbers then the BNP would do well in an election, well looking briefly at the mail's circulation figures they seem to have one of the highest, what does that mean to you tony gales mic?

[thenodrog]

Yoda the "champagne socialist" ! my old gen studies teacher at Blackburn Colledge would love that (he preached communism and help classes in the Vulcan instead of teaching general studies in the class room)

Lecturers? Communist? Well I never. Who would ever believe such a thing?

Wonder what he's doing now to promote the class struggle? No doubt enjoying an early retirement paid for by the capitalists in our society whilst sipping a pint of sour and flat beer with a completely unhealthy looking steward for company in some dank and empty working mans club.

Marvellous.

[yoda]

Lecturers? Communist? Well I never. Who would ever believe such a thing?

Wonder what he's doing now to promote the class struggle? No doubt enjoying an early retirement paid for by the capitalists in our society whilst sipping a pint of sour and flat beer with a completely unhealthy looking steward for company in some dank and empty working mans club.

Marvellous.

You probably came into contact with him as well Theno, can't remember his name as yet, remember his side kick's name though, who has passed away now. He was a dead ringer for one of the inmates in Midnight express!

[thenodrog]

We take the Observer and Guardian at the weekend, both papers I find boring and old-fashioned. For good news coverage, off beat journalism and general interest I think The Independent does a good job and is very worthwhile reading.

Eh? Why not get the Independent then?

[thenodrog]

You probably came into contact with him as well Theno, can't remember his name as yet, remember his side kick's name though, who has passed away now. He was a dead ringer for one of the inmates in Midnight express!

Didn't do Gen Studies Yoda. Did he lecture in any other subject?

[yoda]

Didn't do Gen Studies Yoda. Did he lecture in any other subject?

Economics and or finance I think,(or some thing like sociology, you know the really usefull topics that prepare you for life in general!) name of Riley seems to ring a bell.

[ABBEY]

, I read it in the barber's once every six weeks,

OHHHHHHHHHH look at you:P

aw reet for some.Us slap heads(can I say that or am i breaking pc rules again)dream about our mullets being cut every 6 weeks by a barber instead of it bloking the the bath tub.

[tony gale's mic]

I was just questioning tony gales mic comment about how many people read the mail, he seemed to be suggesting that if it was significant numbers then the BNP would do well in an election, well looking briefly at the mail's circulation figures they seem to have one of the highest, what does that mean to you tony gales mic?

It means you failed to understand what I said.

blue phil said he meets plenty of people with massively more right wing views than those expressed in the Mail and that they make up the majority. I said if there the majority of people did have much more right wing views than the Mail then significant numbers would be voting BNP, not those who have views similar to what the Mail puts out.

Ignorant and narrow minded people are ten a penny, that's why the Mail has such a high circulation. They purport to offer serious journalism which is why many like them, don't have a red top so people don't feel so bad about reading them, but inside there's the same tabloid sensationalism that idiots love to feed on.

However, there's a difference between that and the downright racism which I can guarantee would be present in the minds of the majority of BNP voters.

[yoda]

It means you failed to understand what I said.

blue phil said he meets plenty of people with massively more right wing views than those expressed in the Mail and that they make up the majority. I said if there the majority of people did have much more right wing views than the Mail then significant numbers would be voting BNP, not those who have views similar to what the Mail puts out.

Ignorant and narrow minded people are ten a penny, that's why the Mail has such a high circulation. They purport to offer serious journalism which is why many like them, don't have a red top so people don't feel so bad about reading them, but inside there's the same tabloid sensationalism that idiots love to feed on.

However, there's a difference between that and the downright racism which I can guarantee would be present in the minds of the majority of BNP voters.

mmmmmmmmm, right then!

[thenodrog]

However, there's a difference between that and the downright racism which I can guarantee would be present in the minds of the majority of BNP voters.

You may have a point BUT consider this... I would estimate that there are literally thousands of downright racially prejudiced people in Blackburn alone that would NEVER EVER EVER vote BNP!

You either need to practice a little lateral thinking TGM or simply walk around with your blinkers off.

[Paul]

Eh? Why not get the Independent then?

The Good Lady

[thenodrog]

The Good Lady

Debate over.