[Archived] Hang Em High

[Paul Mellelieu]

Yoda,

I'd check your pension rights, and your NHs rights, because you might be in for a few surprises, and the EU has nothing to do with it. Jsut ask the Spanish-based expats turning up in the UK to get health treatment. Indeed France has a good best health service but that's largely because the percentage of GDP the French pay into their health services is far higher than we do. Now just think what the Mail would say if we tried to get more investment! Also the French system, which encourages GPs to over-prescribe treatments, leads to the French downing three or four times the medicines that the rest of the EU.

Theno can you actually manage to post something that doesn't mention race/that Paul Ince is black?

[blue phil]

Ignorant and narrow minded people are ten a penny, that's why the Mail has such a high circulation. They purport to offer serious journalism which is why many like them, don't have a red top so people don't feel so bad about reading them, but inside there's the same tabloid sensationalism that idiots love to feed on.

Good grief you did take the 6th form political lessons seriously !!

I'd hazard a guess that the target audience of the Dail Mail (and don't forget they're in the business of making money rather than indoctrinating the next generation of Nazis ) is your average white , middle class , age 40 or 50 ish who work and live in a decent neighbourhood .

Now if you were to go to a BNP meeting I'd guess that you wouldn't find many of these people about . What you would find is a lot of tattooed youngsters with copies of the Sun or Star folded in their back pockets .

Twenty years ago it used to be the fashion amongst the student types to pour all their bile against the Sun and Rupert Murdoch . But guess what happened ? Rupert started supporting New Labour ansd so all the silly students and lefties had to find another target to brand with their "fascist" labels .........

Now I'd suggest , Tony , you ...and Paul and Flopsy and all the rest of the finger pointers ......do a bit of serious reading about what REAL fascism and racism is all about (any good biography of Hitler or a study of genocide in Europe will suffice ) and then take a few back copies of the Daily Mail and try and spot the difference .

The bottom line is that the Mail is a right of centre (but very much still centre) newspaper that has NEVER , either editorially or by individual columnists to my knowledge , remotely supported the policies associated with the BNP . I'll happily stand corrected if you can provide links to prove the opposite .

Like I said before , go into any bar in town and you'll here far more right wing views than the Mail would print .

[blue phil]

I agree that the criticism of The Daily Mail is over the top but then again so is the criticism of The Guardian...which you yourself deride on many an occasion although it was nice to see the self-awareness in your last comment!

The only time I refer to the Guardian is to counter the silly opinions offered by the naive about the Mail and Express .

Calling the Guardian a commie rag is as daft as calling the Mail a far right BNP rag .

The difference is I have my tongue firmly in my cheek when I have a go.......

[tony gale's mic]

Good grief you did take the 6th form political lessons seriously !!

I'd hazard a guess that the target audience of the Dail Mail (and don't forget they're in the business of making money rather than indoctrinating the next generation of Nazis ) is your average white , middle class , age 40 or 50 ish who work and live in a decent neighbourhood .

Now if you were to go to a BNP meeting I'd guess that you wouldn't find many of these people about . What you would find is a lot of tattooed youngsters with copies of the Sun or Star folded in their back pockets .

Twenty years ago it used to be the fashion amongst the student types to pour all their bile against the Sun and Rupert Murdoch . But guess what happened ? Rupert started supporting New Labour ansd so all the silly students and lefties had to find another target to brand with their "fascist" labels .........

Now I'd suggest , Tony , you ...and Paul and Flopsy and all the rest of the finger pointers ......do a bit of serious reading about what REAL fascism and racism is all about (any good biography of Hitler or a study of genocide in Europe will suffice ) and then take a few back copies of the Daily Mail and try and spot the difference .

The bottom line is that the Mail is a right of centre (but very much still centre) newspaper that has NEVER , either editorially or by individual columnists to my knowledge , remotely supported the policies associated with the BNP . I'll happily stand corrected if you can provide links to prove the opposite .

Like I said before , go into any bar in town and you'll here far more right wing views than the Mail would print .

You're not particularly good at reading things and understanding them are you? I can see why the Mail would appeal to you though from that point of view to be fair..By the way sixth form was some time ago (although not nearly as long ago as for you I'm sure - that's if you actually made it that far)...and I never studied Politics.

I have specifically said in my posts there is some difference between the BNP's agenda and the Daily Mail's agenda. I have specifically said readers of the Daily Mail aren't necessarily racist. Ignorant and narrow minded? I would say many of them (or at least those who believe what they read in it) are. But as I have said before, most of them aren't racist.

The Mail is a right wing paper though. It may not be far-right but to say it's still very much centre is absolute rubbish. I'm not saying being right wing automatically makes them evil but they're certainly not a centre-aligned paper. I would say they would be sympathetic with at least some aspects of the BNPs policies but that's not even half of it, columnists like Littlejohn are amongst the most vile going. I would link you to his articles, such as the one where he dismissed the Suffolk killings as 'no great loss', and where he said on the Rwandan genocide "Does anyone really give a monkey's about what happens in Rwanda? If the Mbongo tribe wants to wipe out the Mbingo tribe then as far as I am concerned that is entirely a matter for them"....but then you would probably agree with him.

What I was arguing against and bringing up the BNP for was that you said how the bars in town were full of far more right wing views than the Mail would print. I said that probably said more about the bars you frequent. "Far more right wing views" than the Mail would undoubtedly be BNP territory, and if the ignorami you choose to spend your drinking time with were truly representative of the population at large, the BNP would surely have a bigger share of the vote than what they have currently.

Hope this clarifies things...

[Rovermatt]

The bottom line is that the Mail is a right of centre (but very much still centre) newspaper that has NEVER , either editorially or by individual columnists to my knowledge , remotely supported the policies associated with the BNP . I'll happily stand corrected if you can provide links to prove the opposite .

Not the BNP of course but did the Mail not lend its support to Mosley and his Blackshirts before WWII?

[rebelmswar]

Not the BNP of course but did the Mail not lend its support to Mosley and his Blackshirts before WWII?

Link

Time also supported Hitler's "accomplishments" when they named him Man of the year in 1938. This does not mean that they supported him politically or in manifesto.

[thenodrog]

Yoda,

I'd check your pension rights, and your NHs rights, because you might be in for a few surprises, and the EU has nothing to do with it. Jsut ask the Spanish-based expats turning up in the UK to get health treatment. Indeed France has a good best health service but that's largely because the percentage of GDP the French pay into their health services is far higher than we do. Now just think what the Mail would say if we tried to get more investment! Also the French system, which encourages GPs to over-prescribe treatments, leads to the French downing three or four times the medicines that the rest of the EU.

Theno can you actually manage to post something that doesn't mention race/that Paul Ince is black?

I seem to rem that you started it.

btw re: the French health service.

1. Is their private health flourishing as it is here?

2. Are you taking the total figures i.e. national and private of both countries into consideration? (Only asking cos I've paid for private treatment recently yet still have to contribute fully to the National Health service. )

[thenodrog]

........ columnists like Littlejohn are amongst the most vile going. I would link you to his articles, such as the one where he dismissed the Suffolk killings as 'no great loss', and where he said on the Rwandan genocide "Does anyone really give a monkey's about what happens in Rwanda? If the Mbongo tribe wants to wipe out the Mbingo tribe then as far as I am concerned that is entirely a matter for them"....but then you would probably agree with him.

What I was arguing against and bringing up the BNP for was that you said how the bars in town were full of far more right wing views than the Mail would print. I said that probably said more about the bars you frequent. "Far more right wing views" than the Mail would undoubtedly be BNP territory, and if the ignorami you choose to spend your drinking time with were truly representative of the population at large, the BNP would surely have a bigger share of the vote than what they have currently.

Hope this clarifies things...

No it doesn't at all. BP's post was pretty much spot on imo.

As for Littlejohn

a. Remind me ..... what were the Suffolk killings?

and

b. What %age of the population of this country TGM do you think could stick a pin into Ruanda on an unmarked map of Africa? Could you even? I think that alone illustrates Littlejohns point perfectly.

Oh and

3. Bars in town full of right wing views? I can hardly find a bar thats not been shut down in Blackburn never mind one thats actually full of anything or anybody. Blackburn is deader than the dinosaurs.

[yoda]

Yoda,

I'd check your pension rights, and your NHs rights, because you might be in for a few surprises, and the EU has nothing to do with it. Jsut ask the Spanish-based expats turning up in the UK to get health treatment. Indeed France has a good best health service but that's largely because the percentage of GDP the French pay into their health services is far higher than we do. Now just think what the Mail would say if we tried to get more investment! Also the French system, which encourages GPs to over-prescribe treatments, leads to the French downing three or four times the medicines that the rest of the EU.

Theno can you actually manage to post something that doesn't mention race/that Paul Ince is black?

Not that it is any of your business, but I have already qualified for my UK pension, you now qualify if you have 30 years full contribution years, and the EU has everything to do with it, the UK cannot discriminate against its citizens living in other EU countries.

What has Spain got to do with my situation, where did that come from?

maybe those expats are not paying the dues required, free loaders if you like! but you make it sound like they come back to the UK and get treated for free, but they have probably made the neccessary contributions during their working lives, Key point that.

You know nothing about the French health system 1st hand, other wise you would know your comments are garbage.

Maybe you read it in the Mail!

Over all I pay less here in the equivilant tax and social charges than I did when I was employed in the UK and we get the BEST health system in the world by a country mile.

My family and myself have experienced both systems so I know 1st hand, whereas you are making sound bite assumptions based on what you have read or gleaned from the mis informed.

[tony gale's mic]

No it doesn't at all. BP's post was pretty much spot on imo.

As for Littlejohn

a. Remind me ..... what were the Suffolk killings?

and

b. What %age of the population of this country TGM do you think could stick a pin into Ruanda on an unmarked map of Africa? Could you even? I think that alone illustrates Littlejohns point perfectly.

Oh and

3. Bars in town full of right wing views? I can hardly find a bar thats not been shut down in Blackburn never mind one thats actually full of anything or anybody. Blackburn is deader than the dinosaurs.

a. The Suffolk murders were brutal motiveless murders of five vulnerable young women. What is your point exactly?

b. I could find Rwanda perfectly well on a map of Africa. I spent a large part of last summer in Kenya and Uganda and since Rwanda borders Uganda it's not a particularly hard task. But either way, should we not care about mass genocide simply because we can't locate countries on a map? Would the Holocaust have been acceptable if we couldn't locate Germany on a map?! Again, you don't really have a point.

and I completely agree, Blackburn's nightlife is completely dead. But it wasn't me saying if you walk into any bar you'll find much more right wing views than those in the Daily Mail. That was your friend...

[Paul Mellelieu]

Not that it is any of your business, but I have already qualified for my UK pension, you now qualify if you have 30 years full contribution years, and the EU has everything to do with it, the UK cannot discriminate against its citizens living in other EU countries.

What has Spain got to do with my situation, where did that come from?

maybe those expats are not paying the dues required, free loaders if you like! but you make it sound like they come back to the UK and get treated for free, but they have probably made the neccessary contributions during their working lives, Key point that.

You know nothing about the French health system 1st hand, other wise you would know your comments are garbage.

Maybe you read it in the Mail!

Over all I pay less here in the equivilant tax and social charges than I did when I was employed in the UK and we get the BEST health system in the world by a country mile.

My family and myself have experienced both systems so I know 1st hand, whereas you are making sound bite assumptions based on what you have read or gleaned from the mis informed.

You won't receive the increases in your UK state pension if you don't live in the UK. The Spanish reference relates to ex pats who settle on the Costa and then return hoping to use the NHS (except for emergency care). Sorry not allowed. As for the French health system, you may know what you pay, but you haven't worked out that the French people as a whole contribute more to their health system that we do in Britain as a proportion of GDP. I'm sure google could settle that one. And the point about use of medicines is true. So where's the garbage?

Theno, you can't help yourself can you? I notice you're were linking the new trust investment when Ince's race, albeit "half jokingly". You really do have a problem.

[yoda]

You won't receive the increases in your UK state pension if you don't live in the UK. The Spanish reference relates to ex pats who settle on the Costa and then return hoping to use the NHS (except for emergency care). Sorry not allowed. As for the French health system, you may know what you pay, but you haven't worked out that the French people as a whole contribute more to their health system that we do in Britain as a proportion of GDP. I'm sure google could settle that one. And the point about use of medicines is true. So where's the garbage?

Theno, you can't help yourself can you? I notice you're were linking the new trust investment when Ince's race, albeit "half jokingly". You really do have a problem.

You havn't answered any of the points with facts, you know nothing about it, whereas I have checked and received confirmation from Newcastle about pensions.

If you are a British citizen and have made the required contributions you are entitled to health care, end off, it doesn't change just because you don't like it!

What I pay into the French system is what matters to me and I presume everybody else that does, it is cheaper for me than when I was in the UK, FACT.

Your point about medicines is garbage, something you have dreamed up and not supplied any facts.

[yoda]

You won't receive the increases in your UK state pension if you don't live in the UK. The Spanish reference relates to ex pats who settle on the Costa and then return hoping to use the NHS (except for emergency care). Sorry not allowed. As for the French health system, you may know what you pay, but you haven't worked out that the French people as a whole contribute more to their health system that we do in Britain as a proportion of GDP. I'm sure google could settle that one. And the point about use of medicines is true. So where's the garbage?

Theno, you can't help yourself can you? I notice you're were linking the new trust investment when Ince's race, albeit "half jokingly". You really do have a problem.

From the pension office

UK Pensions Abroad,

If you are retiring abroad, you can continue to receive your UK state pension.

If you are moving permanently, you will only get yearly increases in your pension if you are in an European Economic Area (EEA) country or one of the other countries that have a special agreement with the UK. You will also need to match the relevant regulations.

If you are living in the UK and are not planning to live in another EEA country for some time, you will need application form BR19 from your local Jobcentre Plus office or social security office.

If you are moving to another EEA country or anywhere else in the world you will need to inform The UK Pensions Service that you are moving abroad and give them your new address (contact details are below).

FACTS Mr Mellelieu

[thenodrog]

Theno, you can't help yourself can you? I notice you're were linking the new trust investment when Ince's race, albeit "half jokingly". You really do have a problem.

You still cannot distinguish between racism and colour prejudice can you? Please refer to each when relevent and don't lump them both under one banner. I guess you use the word 'racist' so often that it's now second nature to you. Rem you were absolutely beside yourself that we had the Prem's first black manager. Who tf else cares about the colour of the man? How does skin colour affect his ability to do the job? By definition then you were thrilled that we hadn't got a white man in charge so I'm afraid the only one displaying colour prejudice was you, and that is an attitude that quite frankly I struggle to comprehend yet you make an allegation that it is I that has 'a problem'.

As far as Ince being black is concerned it was put forward on here by yourself and in some sectors of the national press as the primary issue and as some sort of milestone ... I seem to think also that Alan Nixon suggested that his abysmal lack of formal qualifications would be 'overlooked' by the footballing authorities in their headlong rush to have a negroid person installed in a Prem managerial chair. It's all so pathetic that it actually matters so much to so many. I'd have bloody loved it to have been a Big 4 Club... I'm sure his actual abilities and lack of qualifications might just have been more to the fore and examined in much more detail given that scenario!

As far as investment in BRFC is concerned and after yesterdays news it now appears that the only manager to be denied by the trust was a white Welshman who unfortunately decided to clear off partly on the strength of it! 'Is it cos I is Welsh'? But I'm sure that if Ince had also been denied the money and failed in the job somebody somewhere would have sought to make political capital out of it. Rem it's not that long ago when some sectors of the press were playing the sillybuggers and making allegations of 'Whiteburn Rovers' simply cos we did not always have a negroid player in the first team. Pathetic stuff.

[Billy Castell]

Link

Time also supported Hitler's "accomplishments" when they named him Man of the year in 1938. This does not mean that they supported him politically or in manifesto.

True, but Lord Rothermere or whichever lord owned The Daily Mail at the time was heavily involved with the British Facsist scene that was quite popular amongst the Upper Classes in the inter-war period. It was his megalomania that prevented the newspaper becoming officially linked with Mosley et al, as he wanted to control the party and take it in a certain direction, and use certain methods.

As for The Mail now, its target audience is probably the 35-50 year old who disapproves of Polish workers, most kinds of Islam and anything even vaguely liberal or socialist. The kind of person who was into the Classical Liberal views of Thatcher in the 1980's, but has a dislike for social views that are not 'traditional'. It is also worth mentioning that these people also like to read scare stories about rapists been given £1,000,000 by the EU to spread a form of AIDS that lowers house prices and makes people vote Labour. It gives the readers something to whinge and moan about without actually checking to see how accurate the story is.

Oh, and Littlejohn suffers from 'short man syndrome'. And is a Spurs fan.

[yoda]

True, but Lord Rothermere or whichever lord owned The Daily Mail at the time was heavily involved with the British Facsist scene that was quite popular amongst the Upper Classes in the inter-war period. It was his megalomania that prevented the newspaper becoming officially linked with Mosley et al, as he wanted to control the party and take it in a certain direction, and use certain methods.

As for The Mail now, its target audience is probably the 35-50 year old who disapproves of Polish workers, most kinds of Islam and anything even vaguely liberal or socialist. The kind of person who was into the Classical Liberal views of Thatcher in the 1980's, but has a dislike for social views that are not 'traditional'. It is also worth mentioning that these people also like to read scare stories about rapists been given £1,000,000 by the EU to spread a form of AIDS that lowers house prices and makes people vote Labour. It gives the readers something to whinge and moan about without actually checking to see how accurate the story is.

Oh, and Littlejohn suffers from 'short man syndrome'. And is a Spurs fan.

Classic Billy

[thenodrog]

Classic Billy

Indeed Yoda. It appears that Billy is yet another avid reader of the Daily Mail! No wonder it's so popular. The editor and owners must be congratulated on their circulation methods!

Funny thing is that if Richard Littlejohn were stood next to me I would'nt have the faintest idea who he is, who he supports (ffs )or indeed what his personal political views are!

[Billy Castell]

My mum has read it for years. And so, I'd read it when I lived with them. Note that I'd never buy it. Anyway, the Spurs reference was to indicate that Littlejohn is a cockney winker who supports a team whose fans are ususally arrogant, deluded idiots. There, hopefully I made it clear for you two.

[thenodrog]

And so, I'd read it when I lived with them. Note that I'd never buy it.

Whats the difference? I'll give you a clue .... there isn't one. You find it a worthwhile read even if that is in a purely negative sense, therefore in all the market research figures that these companies pay for you are counted as a reader for purposes of circulation and all important advertising revenue. Also it's why that Littlejohn fella that you keep alluding to is so contentious and presumably so well paid!

Nice one Billy.

[Rovermatt]

Littlejohn is a narrow-minded tw*t. And he supports Spurs. Double whammy.

[Billy Castell]

Whats the difference? I'll give you a clue .... there isn't one. You find it a worthwhile read even if that is in a purely negative sense, therefore in all the market research figures that these companies pay for you are counted as a reader for purposes of circulation and all important advertising revenue. Also it's why that Littlejohn fella that you keep alluding to is so contentious and presumably so well paid!

Nice one Billy.

Interesting. How can they know that I read it, and not just be in the same house as someone who reads it? I've always wondered that. Anyway, that was years ago, and I was young and foolish and would read most things, no matter how over the top and inaccurate it may be. I used to want to shut the paper down as it was such a vile, negative rag, but now I don't care. If it keeps the idiots happy, let them read it. Same goes for The Sun, The Mirror, Fox News and BBC 3 for that matter.

I used to really hate all those right wing people who'd be all bitter and negative, and throw insults to those who didn't share their views, but now I don't care. I see them as pathetic little twerps who highlight the many flaws in the human condition. The hatred, the need to create an 'us' and 'them', the rudeness, the petty vindictiveness, the narrow mindedness, the misplaced superiority, the arrogance, the love of having a tiny bit more power than another person, the need to denegrate the achievements of others. Such people seem to me to be laughable little men who were probably picked on at school for being ginger or wearing glasses, and have a burning desire to bring people down to their level.

For the sake of balance, I also can't stand the kind of liberal/left wing people who also twist facts to suit their agenda, excuse the violence and brutality of the likes of Stalin, make issues of race or religion when none exist, change words like 'faliure' into 'delayed success', refuse to aknowledge anything good that came out of a right wing government, blindly support a political party that claims to oppose the right wing, faithfully adhere to an excessively dogmatic and outdated doctrine, get all puritanical and want to ban competitive sport and get all huffy at an episode of South Park. Such people are annoying, bossy, kiljoys who don't want to laugh or enjoy life in case it may offend anyone a bit foreign in some way.

Yes it is a bit of a rant, has little to do with anything, and it will probably make some laugh for all the wrong reasons. But I needed to type it. I feel better now.

[thenodrog]

Interesting. How can they know that I read it, and not just be in the same house as someone who reads it? I've always wondered that. Anyway, that was years ago, and I was young and foolish and would read most things, no matter how over the top and inaccurate it may be. I used to want to shut the paper down as it was such a vile, negative rag, but now I don't care. If it keeps the idiots happy, let them read it. Same goes for The Sun, The Mirror, Fox News and BBC 3 for that matter.

I used to really hate all those right wing people who'd be all bitter and negative, and throw insults to those who didn't share their views, but now I don't care. I see them as pathetic little twerps who highlight the many flaws in the human condition. The hatred, the need to create an 'us' and 'them', the rudeness, the petty vindictiveness, the narrow mindedness, the misplaced superiority, the arrogance, the love of having a tiny bit more power than another person, the need to denegrate the achievements of others. Such people seem to me to be laughable little men who were probably picked on at school for being ginger or wearing glasses, and have a burning desire to bring people down to their level.

For the sake of balance, I also can't stand the kind of liberal/left wing people who also twist facts to suit their agenda, excuse the violence and brutality of the likes of Stalin, make issues of race or religion when none exist, change words like 'faliure' into 'delayed success', refuse to aknowledge anything good that came out of a right wing government, blindly support a political party that claims to oppose the right wing, faithfully adhere to an excessively dogmatic and outdated doctrine, get all puritanical and want to ban competitive sport and get all huffy at an episode of South Park. Such people are annoying, bossy, kiljoys who don't want to laugh or enjoy life in case it may offend anyone a bit foreign in some way.

Yes it is a bit of a rant, has little to do with anything, and it will probably make some laugh for all the wrong reasons. But I needed to type it. I feel better now.

So much hate in one so young Billy? You must be a right old bundle of fun at dinner parties!

[SouthAussieRover]

So much hate in one so young Billy? You must be a right old bundle of fun at dinner parties!

A double entendre if ever I saw one.

[thenodrog]

A double entendre if ever I saw one.

May I refer you to the second sentence of my sig Don?

[SouthAussieRover]

May I refer you to the second sentence of my sig Don?

I'd have to circumvent the swear filter to be able to repeat that second sentence