[Archived] Hang Em High

[Eddie]

Twit and never popular board member.

If there's one thing they taught me in school it was to always proof-read, typos can happen even to the best of us.

[Paul Mellelieu]

You still cannot distinguish between racism and colour prejudice can you? Please refer to each when relevent and don't lump them both under one banner. I guess you use the word 'racist' so often that it's now second nature to you. Rem you were absolutely beside yourself that we had the Prem's first black manager. Who tf else cares about the colour of the man? How does skin colour affect his ability to do the job? By definition then you were thrilled that we hadn't got a white man in charge so I'm afraid the only one displaying colour prejudice was you, and that is an attitude that quite frankly I struggle to comprehend yet you make an allegation that it is I that has 'a problem'.

As far as Ince being black is concerned it was put forward on here by yourself and in some sectors of the national press as the primary issue and as some sort of milestone ... I seem to think also that Alan Nixon suggested that his abysmal lack of formal qualifications would be 'overlooked' by the footballing authorities in their headlong rush to have a negroid person installed in a Prem managerial chair. It's all so pathetic that it actually matters so much to so many. I'd have bloody loved it to have been a Big 4 Club... I'm sure his actual abilities and lack of qualifications might just have been more to the fore and examined in much more detail given that scenario!

As far as investment in BRFC is concerned and after yesterdays news it now appears that the only manager to be denied by the trust was a white Welshman who unfortunately decided to clear off partly on the strength of it! 'Is it cos I is Welsh'? But I'm sure that if Ince had also been denied the money and failed in the job somebody somewhere would have sought to make political capital out of it. Rem it's not that long ago when some sectors of the press were playing the sillybuggers and making allegations of 'Whiteburn Rovers' simply cos we did not always have a negroid player in the first team. Pathetic stuff.

Dear oh dear. In quite a lather aren't we. The most pathetic thing here is your stupidity, prejudice and ability to understand basic concepts. Adn why use negroid, when you could use negro or something worse, because you're a coward. Bye.

[Paul Mellelieu]

You havn't answered any of the points with facts, you know nothing about it, whereas I have checked and received confirmation from Newcastle about pensions.

If you are a British citizen and have made the required contributions you are entitled to health care, end off, it doesn't change just because you don't like it!

What I pay into the French system is what matters to me and I presume everybody else that does, it is cheaper for me than when I was in the UK, FACT.

Your point about medicines is garbage, something you have dreamed up and not supplied any facts.

Medicine consumption; follow this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jan/24/france.jonhenley

I may be wrong on the increment issue for EU residents (I need to check this one again), but I do know a lot a lot about the UK pension system, so cut out the hyperbole.

In terms of healthcare read the last sentence in this article. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/mortgages/hom...=moretopstories

And haha I was at the Tech did Comm Studies with a Trot.

[thenodrog]

Dear oh dear. In quite a lather aren't we. The most pathetic thing here is your stupidity, prejudice and ability to understand basic concepts. Adn why use negroid, when you could use negro or something worse, because you're a coward. Bye.

We? I'm not and I think most people will see that it's you who is in a froth.

I take it that you now realise that in attempting to be so anti-racist that you really have become (unintentionally of course) colour prejudiced. Well done Paul... at least it's a step in the right direction in your rehabilitation. As confucious said 'the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step'.

btw not sure where your allegation of cowardice arises from though. I'll put it down to a little hissy fit.

[yoda]

Medicine consumption; follow this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jan/24/france.jonhenley

I may be wrong on the increment issue for EU residents (I need to check this one again), but I do know a lot a lot about the UK pension system, so cut out the hyperbole.

In terms of healthcare read the last sentence in this article. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/mortgages/hom...=moretopstories

And haha I was at the Tech did Comm Studies with a Trot.

So I am right about he French health system being the best in the world, thank you for confirming that (WHO also confirm it)

And you are wrong on the pensions, I posted the fact from the pension office.

I repeat I do not live in Spain, I live and WORK in France so I am covered for health care.

The people you qoute in Spain are freeloaders like I pointed out to you in a previous post.

and "And haha I was at the Tech did Comm Studies with a Trot."

Who cares?

[Paul Mellelieu]

So I am right about he French health system being the best in the world, thank you for confirming that (WHO also confirm it)

And you are wrong on the pensions, I posted the fact from the pension office.

I repeat I do not live in Spain, I live and WORK in France so I am covered for health care.

The people you qoute in Spain are freeloaders like I pointed out to you in a previous post.

and "And haha I was at the Tech did Comm Studies with a Trot."

Who cares?

Yoda,

I didn't say the French health system was not a good one (although the articles argue the system is in a mess)

I didn't say that you couldn't get French healthcare, but you wouldn't automatically get UK healthcare.

You are wrong the medicines.

I am right about access to UK health care

You are probably right about the UK pension

If we're counting I make it 2-1 to me.

[yoda]

Yoda,

I didn't say the French health system was not a good one (although the articles argue the system is in a mess)

I didn't say that you couldn't get French healthcare, but you wouldn't automatically get UK healthcare.

You are wrong the medicines.

I am right about access to UK health care

You are probably right about the UK pension

If we're counting I make it 2-1 to me.

Maths obviously not being your strong point

Just a point you seem to be conveniently overlooking

Why would I want UK health treatment when I am in the best system in the world?

Anyway lets get back to the score thing seeing as you brought it up!

The 3 points I made were

1 The French health system is the best in the world

2 My Uk pension will be paid to me in France with yearly increments

3 I will have access to Uk health treatment if needed.

you and anybody else can read back at the posts and see that you tried to introduce some other points when you realised that your stand point was floundering.

ok

1 The French health system is the best in the world, - Confirmed by the link you posted and the WHO also say so.

2 My Uk pension will be paid to me in France with yearly increments, - I posted the pension office detail which you now seem begrudgingly to accept.

3 I will have access to Uk health treatment if needed. - Britain and France have recipricol health care agreements, if I was unfortunate enough to be taken ill while in the UK I would be covered with my French health cover under the recipricol agreements.

I make that 3 out of 3,

Go and sit in the corner and do your homework properly next time

[Eddie]

I live in France, I'm more French than you are and I think great things of the French health system, but you should really say that the French health system is "one of the best in the world and is considered the best by the WHO".

[yoda]

I live in France, I'm more French than you are and I think great things of the French health system, but you should really say that the French health system is "one of the best in the world and is considered the best by the WHO".

Minor point Eddie, I think the WHO know a thing or 2 about health!

How are you more French than some one else?

not that I am pretending to be French, I am English and always will be, but I am enjoying life in France and other places.

[Eddie]

I was born here, technically I could be just French as far as passport and things go.

[yoda]

I was born here, technically I could be just French as far as passport and things go.

Well make your mind up then

are you French or not?

Actually you must be French!

which is not meant to be derogoratary in any way.

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

Why was this vile evil paedophile from Darwen let out to rape another boy?

Evil scumbag Craig Bennett has been found guilty at Preston Crown Court of kidnap, two counts of rape, kidnap with intent to commit a sexual offence and making threats to kill after he lured a 12-year-old boy into woodland in Darwen and carried out a rape described by police as "brutal".

Bennett raped the boy after offering him £10 to search for his dog. After taking him to an isolated area of a field he then made the boy undress, tied his hands behind his back, placed a belt tied around his neck and threatened to kill him.

Disturbingly it's emerged that Bennett has previous convictions for sexual offences including buggery, indecent assault and snatching a boy of 13. He raped the 13-year-old boy in the same spot of woodland in Darwen in 1993.

Bennett was given a 10-year jail sentence for the attack in 1993. After being let out into the community he's been able to carry out another savage brutal rape on another boy in the same area.

Det Sgt Ian Procter, of Lancashire Police, says: "Bennett is a dangerous, manipulative, shameless individual who clearly presents a significant risk to children."

So why was this man released from prison then if he clearly represents a significant risk to children? Why wasn't he given a sentence far longer than just ten years for the previous rape?

In another ten years time in 2019 will Bennett be released from prison again and be able to rape another poor boy in the same field yet again?

How many rapes does Bennett have to carry out before the authorities finally realise that he should not be released because he represents a major risk to children?

A link to the story of this dreadful attack

[roversmum]

AESF, it seems to be happening more and more. These people are treated with the softly softly approach and all they have to do is say "I will be a good boy" and they are let out.

One in my family has suffered from such a man and you never get over it. I really don't know what the answer is - well I do but it wouldn't be allowed.

[Flopsy]

Smithy i think the original 10 year term was probably what the guidelines stated, also it shows the attitude of judicary at that time.

The reason for not having the death sentence is to prevent miscarriages, such as occured to Sean Hodgson.

Convicted using the latest (at the time) science, and also a confession which turned out to be to a confused mentally deficient young man.

By all means lock the scum bags up for life, or at least 40 years ,but it gives a chance of rectifying mistakes made by the state.

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

"Police blunders allowed this man to carry out at least 71 attacks on women"

44-year-old rapist Kirk Reid targeted women late at night in the Balham, Clapham and Tooting areas of south London. He's been convicted of two rapes and 24 sexual assaults but police believe he was behind at least 71 attacks on women.

Reid's victims ranged in age from their late teens to their early 60s and all of his victims were strangers who were walking alone, late at night. He used his strength to overpower the women and drag them onto the ground during the sex attacks - which took place over a period of more than six years between August 2001 and October 2007.

An independent investigation is under way into police blunders after it emerged Reid was not arrested until four years after he was made a suspect.

The blunders include:

In January 2004 – Officers fail to act when a man dials 999 and gives the details of Reid's car in connection with a mystery attack on a woman in the street.

In February 2004 – Reid is identified as a suspect in the ongoing sex attacks after he is stopped for tooting his horn at a woman in the street.

Between April to December 2007 – Reid's red VW Golf is checked nine times by suspicious officers as it cruises around south west London late at night.

Scotland Yard has apologised for errors which meant that Reid was not arrested until four years after becoming a suspect. DNA was twice recovered from victims but, despite being known to police as a potential sexual attacker, following a 1995 charge of indecent assault, no DNA sample was collected from Reid.

IPCC Commissioner Deborah Glass has said: "The public will understandably ask if some of these attacks could have been prevented and indeed, if the police took the victims as seriously as they should."

Now that Kirk Reid - a children's football coach and a college head chef - has been convicted I hope that he's locked up in prison for a very long period of time. Sadly I suspect that in years to come there will be another "blunder" from the authorities and they will release him from prison too early.

A link to this story

[leftfooter]

Smithy i think the original 10 year term was probably what the guidelines stated, also it shows the attitude of judicary at that time.

The reason for not having the death sentence is to prevent miscarriages, such as occured to Sean Hodgson.

Convicted using the latest (at the time) science, and also a confession which turned out to be to a confused mentally deficient young man.

By all means lock the scum bags up for life, or at least 40 years ,but it gives a chance of rectifying mistakes made by the state.

This reasoning is typical of the recycled, received wisdom and lazy thinking foisted on us by the discredited canards of the so called liberal establishment. If we were allowed to vote on the issue of course, the response would be convincingly in favour.

Let's look at it from a slightly different perspective. The fact that a tiny minority have been wrongly executed doesn't mean that it isn't moral and right to execute wrongdoers. A homely example might illustrate the point. Irish citizens in Britain have been wrongly incarcerated (no death penalty), in a shameful manner, yet, I presume the Irish would not be opposed to justly incarcerating those who violate the law.

Another argument for the death penalty of course is the fact that those wrongly convicted in systems in which the death penalty was employed would ultimately benefit - should the proof exist that would exonerate them. Take for example the US system. Since the mid-seventies approximately 25 death row prisoners have been pardoned and released by those states that retain the death penalty. That's 0.25 percent of those so convicted. Although standards between judiciary and legislature may vary from state to state, there is no proof that an innocent prisoner has been executed in the US since the end of the 18th century. The federal structure ensures that the Supreme Court still retains ultimate say.

Ironically it was the agony of the looming death chamber which provided the focus that brought about their exoneration. In the UK they would more than likely still be languishing in gaol. We have become so apathetic to molly coddled prisoners and bleeding heart prison visitors, no one really cares about them.

AESM is right. The fact is, innocents are better protected with the death penalty.

Allowing murderers to live on with TV, modern communications and all the creature comforts only emboldens more murderers who know that they just have to play the game, wait until they reach the end of their 12 year tariff and go back to their former routine.

[Amo]

The fact that a tiny minority have been wrongly executed doesn't mean that it isn't moral and right to execute wrongdoers.

It also means the executioners are guilty of murder themselves. So do we then exterminate the exterminators?

[colin]

AESF,

You've just posted news of two sex attacks in 24 hours. Neither of which has anything to do with Rovers

On a Blackburn Rovers supporters' unofficial web site.

Without anyone taking a discussion even vaguely towards the subject.

You rarely post anything Rovers related on here.

Do you feel slightly uncomfortable that your concern with horrible sex crimes might just, reflect on you as a person? And maybe a need to seek help. I'm probably the last person to ask, but check it out.

All the best.

Colin

[Paul]

This reasoning is typical of the recycled, received wisdom and lazy thinking foisted on us by the discredited canards of the so called liberal establishment. If we were allowed to vote on the issue of course, the response would be convincingly in favour.

Can you provide any evidence to support this statement?

Let's look at it from a slightly different perspective. The fact that a tiny minority have been wrongly executed doesn't mean that it isn't moral and right to execute wrongdoers. A homely example might illustrate the point. Irish citizens in Britain have been wrongly incarcerated (no death penalty), in a shameful manner, yet, I presume the Irish would not be opposed to justly incarcerating those who violate the law.

One can only hope you are never elected into a position where you might influence these matters. You state it is morally right to execute wrongdoers. Exactly where does this stop? If you steal my car does that give me the moral right to break into your house and steal goods to the value? If you want to put forward any arguement that execution would be a greater deterent I can respect your view but please don't tell me it's morally right. Next you'll be telling us that cutting off a thief's hand is OK and stoning adulterous women would be a good replacement for 3.00pm kick offs.

In your "homely" example - lovely word to use in a discussion about executing innocent people, very comfortable - I presume you could be referring to the Guildford four and the Birmingham six? I realise you may also be talking about internment. If so those two cases alone represent nearly half the total you quote from the US in the last 30 years. There have been plenty of examples of wrongful conviction in this country in the same period which have been widely publicised. I'd suggest if you lived in the USA you would find as many, if not more. A couple of others for you:

Tim Evans executed for the murder of his daughter. Ever heard of John Christie, 10 Rillngton Place?

Derek Bentley pardoned 45 years after his hanging

Another argument for the death penalty of course is the fact that those wrongly convicted in systems in which the death penalty was employed would ultimately benefit - should the proof exist that would exonerate them.

Well this does presume people are still alive to benefit from being found innocent. Bit of a bummer if the only "benefit" is to become a statistic of those who have been wrongly executed.

Take for example the US system. Since the mid-seventies approximately 25 death row prisoners have been pardoned and released by those states that retain the death penalty. That's 0.25 percent of those so convicted. Although standards between judiciary and legislature may vary from state to state, there is no proof that an innocent prisoner has been executed in the US since the end of the 18th century. The federal structure ensures that the Supreme Court still retains ultimate say.

I think it's accepted Jesse Tafero was wrongly executed - BTW it took 14 minutes to electrocute him to death.

[jim mk2]

This reasoning is typical of the recycled, received wisdom and lazy thinking foisted on us by the discredited canards of the so called liberal establishment. If we were allowed to vote on the issue of course, the response would be convincingly in favour. .................

etc etc ad nauseum

Hurrah for right wing nutters.

If you think death penalty is "morally right" go and live in the those US states where they still have state executions.

And leave the rest of us to enjoy living in a civilised society.

[den]

Watching sky news over the past couple of days, they have been reporting from Pakistan and focussing on the Taliban's resurgence in parts of that country. They are applying Sharia law there and have shown incidents where the people found guilty of serious offences are taken out in the streets and shot. The families of the perpetrators are invited to take their revenge.

Now without wishing to take this into areas that aren't allowed on this site, it is so, so obvious that this kind of thing doesn't belong in a civilised country. Yet, it appears that some people who decry everything Islamist, would still apply some of their principles, only out of the public eye.

Capital punishment belonged to the dark ages and should remain there.

[thenodrog]

Watching sky news over the past couple of days, they have been reporting from Pakistan and focussing on the Taliban's resurgence in parts of that country. They are applying Sharia law there and have shown incidents where the people found guilty of serious offences are taken out in the streets and shot. The families of the perpetrators are invited to take their revenge.

Now without wishing to take this into areas that aren't allowed on this site,

Capital punishment belonged to the dark ages and should remain there.

You just did!

[den]

You just did!

Only if people want to go down the "other" route. I don't.

[thenodrog]

Capital punishment belonged to the dark ages and should remain there.

Do you know what pisses me off about people with your syrupy, limp wristed views Den? The fact that you seem to think that capital punishment is a bigger crime than pre-meditated murder. I find it really odd that so many people of your beliefs spend more time condemning capital punishment than murder! Misguided emotions and sensibilities imo and you really need to take that on board Den. Tell you what, you find a way of condemning murder to the dark ages and I'll fully support your views on capital punishment.

[den]

Do you know what pisses me off about people with your syrupy, limp wristed views Den? The fact that you seem to think that capital punishment is a bigger crime than pre-meditated murder. I find it really odd that so many people of your beliefs spend more time condemning capital punishment than murder! Misguided emotions and sensibilities imo and you really need to take that on board Den. Tell you what, you find a way of condemning murder to the dark ages and I'll fully support your views on capital punishment.

Syrupy, limp wristed? Does that mean that opposing the death penalty shows some kind of shortcoming?

I find that response odd, even from you Gord. Did my post hit a nerve then?