[Archived] Hang Em High

[joey_big_nose]

A cabinet minister who should be aware of what a mess this country is in....

Isn't it a sad state of affairs when elderly vulnerable people are treated with such disdain by scumbags looking to steal their possessions with the intention of possibly flogging them off for drug money. It debases our society and show how far we have sunk. Clearly the liberal social policies of the last 40 to 50 years haven't been a success. Somewhere down the line we've gone very badly wrong.

What answers have the politicians got towards these problems? Should we do as David Cameron suggested and "hug a hoodie" ? Would that makes things better?

If hoodies pull the wedding rings from the hands of elderly women should we give the young criminals a big hug, make excuses for them, pat them on the head and say that they've had a hard childhood?

What other answers has Mr Cameron got? What about New Labour? They came into power in 1997 promising to be "tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime". In recent years Labour have spent their time releasing violent and dangerous criminals from prison early because there are not enough prison spaces available. Foreign prisoners have been released without being considered for deportation.

The Government Actuary's Department have published data showing how the UK's population is likely to grow over the coming decades. In our already small crowded island, the population in the UK could soar to a staggering 90 million later this century. Such a massive increase, driven by immigration, a rising birthrate and people living longer, would add 50% to today's population.

So if we haven't got enough prisons in Britain now, if we already have extreme pressure on housing, transport and public services now, what could things be like with 90 million in Britain?

Would that mean more violent criminals released early? Will we have to hug more hoodies and hope things get better?

It's clear to me that we've got massive problems in our society. No doubt those on the liberal-left will bury their heads in the sand and pretend the damage isn't happening. But to many of us, who have seen with our own eyes the failed socio-liberal experiment in recent decades, and can see the damage it is causing with divided communities and violent crime out of control, we know that we're staring at the abyss.

When exactly are you comparing the current situation to? Just so we can have a debate. On one hand we have the criminal justice system now, obviously, but it is unclear from your post when exactly things were "better". 1997, 1992, 1982, 1970, 1950, 1932, 1877, 1700, 1650, 1066 or the moment Julius Caeser set foot upon these isles....

[Flopsy]

So you condone stealing from the elderly and vulnerable? Anyway why should anybody have to do what parents should be held accountable for? That is where the problems lie.

But if anybody is a coward it is you Flopsy, hiding behind your XXL sized moderator keyboard. Give any of that level of insulting stuff back that you have just dished out and whoever does it usually ends up potted. You need to pipe down and just stick to trying to moderate this mboard in an even handed manner.

And yet you're still here, blowing yet another one of your arguments out of the water.

[colin]

Yeh! AESF is back.

Stop sniggering at the back

[Tom]

I'm awaiting a good rant in here soon from AESF regarding an article in the news today. This one will be well deserved as well

[boris bear]

I'm awaiting a good rant in here soon from AESF regarding an article in the news today. This one will be well deserved as well

Why? Surely it's perfectly reasonable that they will be released and get new identities and protection funded by us?

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

He'll be on about the hit and run driver. I thought of this thread and a Smithy rant too, but only 'cuz the driver was Asian. Ticks all his boxes dunnit?

[Sandiway Blue]

He'll be on about the hit and run driver. I thought of this thread and a Smithy rant too, but only 'cuz the driver was Asian. Ticks all his boxes dunnit?

Would probably be about baby p`s `parents` and rightly so......hanging is too good for these b*stards.

[Tom]

Yep I was refering to the baby P parents although I'm sure AESF can do the rant a lot more effectively than I can.

[Flopsy]

Would probably be about baby p`s `parents` and rightly so......hanging is too good for these b*stards.

Hanging is too good for them, let them rot in prison and pick the broken glass out of their meals for the rest of their sorry lives.

Death is too quick an exit for them.

[thenodrog]

Hanging is too good for them, let them rot in prison and pick the broken glass out of their meals for the rest of their sorry lives.

Death is too quick an exit for them.

I disagree. Death would prove a massive deterrent to others.

[colin]

I disagree. Death would prove a massive deterrent to others.

I doubt it.

Anyone who is mentally sick enough to sytematically batter to death a baby/toddler/infant probably doesn't have the mental capacity to equate their actions with the punishment they may face sometime in the future.

Maybe someone who plans an armed robbery and kills someone has enough mental capacity, but that's for another day and another thread/discussion.

[Anti Euro Smiths Fan]

So the mother is set to get a new identity, a new stylist, a personal trainer and police protection paid for by us, the taxpayers.

Baby Peter died after being punched so hard that he swallowed a tooth. He had over 50 injuries inflicted on him, including a broken back, fractured ribs and tooth marks across his face when his evil step-father encouraged his rottweiler dog to attack him.

Some of Baby Peter's horrific injuries were covered up with chocolate smeared across his face by his vile mother who consistently lied to the authorities about Peter's injuries. Even though he was seen over 60 times by social workers, the child was alllowed to continue living with his mother and sadistic step-father.

The vile mother, Tracey Connelly, could be freed in less than three years and is likely to get a new "identity package" when she is freed from jail - with a stylist and personal trainer to help her, according to Sky News. It is "highly likely" according to Sky that she will be offered the same top-level protection as Jamie Bulger's killers Robert Thompson and Jon Venables.

Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of probation officers' union Napo, says that officials have a "duty of care" to released prisoners. What a tragedy that the authorities completely failed in their duty of care to Baby Peter.

Connelly's sadistic partner Steven Barker could be out of jail after he's served a minimum sentence of just 12 years for his crimes. Apart from the numerous horrific injuries inflicted on Baby Peter, he also seperately raped a girl of two and is suspected of carrying out a number of other attacks on children. Barker's father has described him as "a monster".

Barker was also accused of beating his 82-year-old grandmother black and blue. His grandmother says that he locked her in a wardrobe to make her change her will in his favour. But because she died from pneumonia before the case came to trial, unfortunately the case was eventually dropped.

Clearly Barker is an utterly evil scumbag. In my view he should never be released so that the public are protected from his evil sadistic attacks. The protection of the public should be the main priority ahead of Barker's "human rights".

But because of our pathetically soft criminal justice system, the 33-year-old sadist could be released in 12 years time when he is 45 - with Barker apparently "highly likely" to get expensive police protection when he is released.

We keep being told that there's not enough money in the kitty at the moment for schools, hospitals, public transport and the building of new prisons. The country is up to it's eyeballs in billions of pounds of debt and we're told that savings have to be made from the public purse.

The Baby Peter case demonstrates the sickness in our broken society. A baby is tortured to death with the authorities failing in their duty of care for him. But the killers, when they are released, will be pampered and looked after at considerable taxpayers expense. Money can be found for Barker and Connelly. Money can't be found for other vital services in our community.

One clear example of this is that under New Labour British people have been subjected to a 'postcode lottery' for cancer care, with huge discrepancies in funding meaning that in some regions of the country vital life-saving drugs are only dispensed to those living in certain areas. If you are unlucky enough to live in the wrong area and have cancer, then the attitude from the authorities is "tough luck". The people are told that the money isn't there and that's it.

There's no 'postocde lottery' for evil Barker and Connelly. It doesn't matter in which area of Britain they are released, it is "highly likely" that they will be cared for and given police protection, according to a Sky News report.

I seem to remember the last time on this website that I questioned money being spent on new identities and police protection given for criminals was a few years ago in the case of Robert Thompson and Jon Venables. Colin attacked me for my post and said that Thompson and Venables were young boys at the time of their offences, that the tough ordeal they were given in court was wrong and that he would have no problem with Thompson and Venables living next door to him.

So I don't know whether Colin will again attack me for my post this time and say that he has no problem with Connelly and Barker living next door to him when they are released.

I definitely would not want Connelly and Barker living anywhere near me when they are released. I think the prison sentences they were given were hopelessly inadequate.

let them rot in prison and pick the broken glass out of their meals for the rest of their sorry lives.

So you and I are actually in agreement for a change Flopsy that if the authorities release the mother after a few years and the evil step-father after just 12 years then the prison sentences are nowhere near long enough. Sometimes you seem to be on the other side of the debate as it were, defending the criminal justice system and attacking me for pointing out some of the soft sentences given.

It makes a pleasant change that you appear to be coming round to my point of view concerning the leniency of sentences given out to evil scumbags.

In my view for the authorities to free the mother after just a few years and Barker in 12 years is symptomatic of a sick broken society when a child's life is deemed to only be worth a few years.

A link to the Sky News piece that I referred to earlier - reporting that Connelly will get a new identity package when she is released, with a stylist and personal trainer to help her, is at the link below. Apparently Connelly has told friends that she plans a series of holidays to Egypt, Greece and Italy and that her life will be "one long party" when she is released.

A sick society indeed.

Link: Connelly's new ID package set to include a stylist and personal trainer

[Tom]

Thanks AESF I was awaiting a good un and you didnt disappoint.

I don't always agree with your point of view but you're bang on the money this time.

Outrageous the protection these people will get, I'm all for reformation usually but how could that evil woman ever be reformed in 3 years?

[broadsword]

Why on earth has this come out in the news now. They've only just been sent down, there's a long way to go yet before they get to breathe free air.

two things:

1. They look absolutely cretinous. I doubt they'll be bothering the Open University while they're put away. Despite appearing to have the collective IQ of a puddle of primeval sludge, they still were able to outwith social services. Can't say I find that too shocking.

2. Their lenient sentences may be due to the fact that they don't appear to have been convicted of murder, but rather some lesser charge. This must be some kind of legal technicality? In my eyes (and I have had no legal training), at least one of the three has committed murder, maybe they couldn't prove which one? In any case, they should all be going down for a very long time. It's not the first time they've harmed children.

Like most I cannot fathom the motivations for this behaviour. I'm not a legal eagle, neither am I a psychologist, but I'm willing to bet a fiver none of them will be ready to be proper members of society by the time they are released. I'm very tempted to say that they should be written off for good. I can't see anyone who's raped a 2 year old ever seeing sense. Some stuff I really just don't understand.

What is more to the point is how we stop this from ever happening again. It just seem to be a regularly recurrign headline and whilst the tabloids aren't the best perspective on criminal justice, if lessons had been learned from cases such as Victoria Climbie then these headlines would die away. so there is definitely something wrong, and the seeming inability of the various agencies to get a grip on this problem is incredibly frustrating. how many more defenceless children have to suffer in these unspeakable and distressing ways? It gets me so bloody mad.

Apologies for the outburst of self-righteousness, but it's a prpoper head-banger, I tell thee.

[thenodrog]

I doubt it.

Anyone who is mentally sick enough to sytematically batter to death a baby/toddler/infant probably doesn't have the mental capacity to equate their actions with the punishment they may face sometime in the future.

Maybe someone who plans an armed robbery and kills someone has enough mental capacity, but that's for another day and another thread/discussion.

1. imo You are wrong. Apart from the Hindleys and the Wests it is unlikely that 2 people would be willing to take the risk if the penalty was death.

2. They are not mentally sick or they would not be in prison.

3. Mental capacity? Rubbish, you can teach a bloody dog right from wrong.

We can all see that poor child in our minds eye but the likelihood is that if he had lived he would have grown up just like his parents. People like this are not fit to breed and unfortunately they breed faster than the average. Things will have to change sooner or later.

[neekoy]

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Sister was also abused

Dad is cashing in

And the trend continues

[Rovermatt]

It makes a pleasant change that you appear to be coming round to my point of view concerning the leniency of sentences given out to evil scumbags.

Not wishing to speak for old Flopsy but I don't recall him ever advocating lenient sentences for horrific crimes...

Anyway, you're both right. These people deserve to be locked away for a very long time, with 30 minutes of daylight a year and week old bread and water for dinner.

[colin]

1. imo You are wrong. Apart from the Hindleys and the Wests it is unlikely that 2 people would be willing to take the risk if the penalty was death.

2. They are not mentally sick or they would not be in prison.

3. Mental capacity? Rubbish, you can teach a bloody dog right from wrong.

We can all see that poor child in our minds eye but the likelihood is that if he had lived he would have grown up just like his parents. People like this are not fit to breed and unfortunately they breed faster than the average. Things will have to change sooner or later.

1. I'll have to disagree with you on this. Myra Hindley, Ian Brady, Fred & Rosemary West; Harold Shipman; Peter Sutcliffe; Dennis Nilsen and all the rest of the worst murders we could name were not normal people. They were mentally ill, and the thought that they would be executed for their crimes probably never crossed their minds. If it did, why did they do them?

2. Where should they be then?

3.

you can teach a bloody dog right from wrong

Indeed you can, which rather emphasises the point that some people have no understanding of right or wrong. Dogs do. Some people are more stupid than dogs.

We can all see that poor child in our minds eye but the likelihood is that if he had lived he would have grown up just like his parents. People like this are not fit to breed and unfortunately they breed faster than the average. Things will have to change sooner or later.

Well the parents were pretty much treated by their parents as they treated their child. As for the rest of your comment about breeding....it brings to mind too many references to some Austrian bloke who slaughtered millions of people he didn't like the look of. Not worth commenting on really. Shame he didn't go for the gingers too.

[Rovermatt]

Shame he didn't go for the gingers too.

Bit out of order isn't it?

[thenodrog]

Bit out of order isn't it?

I'm not offended in the slightest Matt. Why should I be? I must say though that in the past my hair colour has frequently attracted insulting comments but bodily pigmentation is a harmless genetic trait so why anybody other than an albino or a very weak minded individual would care about their pigmentation is baffling in the extreme.

However I view his intent to insult as an indication of the character of Colin.......... Don't forget that it was Colin who called me a 'snidey racist' once. Could it be that his comment above where he singles out a genetic trait for insult actually proves that it is he that is a snidey racist? If so I guess that the mods would have no option than to enforce board rules 4 and 8 and as they stand. Should Colin escape a ban then we would be entitled to ask why exactly.

Thanks for the concern though.

[colin]

Theno,

A thousand humble opologies for the slur. I am deeply ashamed of myself.

I'm sure that you, like me, would never single out people for insults and adverse comments simply because of their appearance; race; lifestyle; sexuality; religion; country of birth or other deviations* from the perceived "norm."

I look forward to a fruitful partnership between yourself and me in expunging with an internet sponge all such comments from this messageboard.

Let us be alert together, we can make a difference.

* Football Club support defects are fairly obviously excluded from this lot.

BTW, The Manchester Gay; Lesbian & Transexual Festival takes place in a couple of weeks' time. Would you fancy coming along? I'm sure we can have a good time.

Once again, apologies. On the other hand your comment about breeding still smacks of that Austrian bloke I mentioned.

[thenodrog]

BTW, The Manchester Gay; Lesbian & Transexual Festival takes place in a couple of weeks' time. Would you fancy coming along? I'm sure we can have a good time.

Once again, apologies. On the other hand your comment about breeding still smacks of that Austrian bloke I mentioned.

Are you an uphill gardener Colin, and is that a proposition? If so you won't mind going on your own will you?

btw bit of free advice for you...... don't take your bike cos you might have to stand on the pedals all the way home.

As for my comments about breeding? I dunno anybody from Austria personally but the breeding bit is pure common sense. One will never make a silk purse out of a pigs ear, and two mongrels will never produce a pedigree will they?

The principle is in place, we already compulsory sterilise certain individuals all we need to do is widen the net. My personal feeling would be to reward anybody being sterilised between 18 and 25 with £5000 (10 even), it should see a lot of smackheads off the gene pool at a stroke.

[colin]

Are you an uphill gardener Colin, and is that a proposition? If so you won't mind going on your own will you?

btw bit of free advice for you...... don't take your bike cos you might have to stand on the pedals all the way home.

As for my comments about breeding? I dunno anybody from Austria personally but the breeding bit is pure common sense. One will never make a silk purse out of a pigs ear, and two mongrels will never produce a pedigree will they?

The principle is in place, we already compulsory sterilise certain individuals all we need to do is widen the net. My personal feeling would be to reward anybody being sterilised between 18 and 25 with £5000 (10 even), it should see a lot of smackheads off the gene pool at a stroke.

Gosh, no! I thought you and I could just go along wearing our Rovers shirts with slogans on like (you) "Ginger Rovers' supporters against discrimination against uphill gardeners, gays, lesbians & trans-sexuals."

(me) I'd wear my Rovers' shirt with something like "vegetarian, Guardian-reading, yogurt-knitting, cyclist against discrimination against uphill gardeners, gays, lesbians & trans-sexuals."

We'd make a fine pair. Pity you can't make it.

I like your plan about the sterilisation. You've missed a trick though. We'd only need to sterilise either the females or the males. It would be a waste of money to do both. How do we isolate the gene pool that produces the "smackheads" and "chavs?" This needs some thought.

The Muslims would be easy to identify. Just round the buggers up at the Mosque on a Friday. We can get the Jews on Saturday at the Synogoue and the Mormons on Sunday or when they come a knocking on the door. Actually there's loads of them near Chorley.

Surprised you don't know about that Austran bloke. He made quite an impact a few years ago.

How do you feel about the Chinese? Loads of them near I work. They could be eradicated with a few well-placed devices?

Finally, what do you think about Lesbians? I'm not sure. I'd like to give then all a darn good seeing-to to teach them the error of their ways, but I'd be scared of getting theitr dungerees off. Any suggestions?

Again, apologies for the ginger typecasting.

[jim mk2]

Keep it going you two : best entertainment on here in a long time.

[SouthAussieRover]

Keep it going you two : best entertainment on here in a long time.

Hardly.

Then again I guess certain folk would see it as intellectual brow beating.

Others do not.