[Archived] Hang Em High

[thenodrog]

It's got very little to do with protecting those guilty of such crimes and everything to do with being part of a civilised society. If we treat these barbarians barbarically ourselves what does that make us? If we were to exert the most cruel punishments imaginable to Huntley and his ilk would that make it right just because of what he did? No one person has the right to take the life of another. For me saying that someone does is far more absurd than any of the small set of rights afforded to criminals in most civilised societies.

You should be in the pulpit every Sunday. Just to take the above as an example, close your eyes and imagine the horror, pain and death those two defenceless young girls endured, their lives were snuffed out and the lives of their families ruined forever and then you can still say that Huntley deserves to draw breath every day? I have two kids and I can honestly say that I would have more issues with killing a rat than pulling the trap door on Ian Huntley.

[broadsword]

Death would be the easy way out for that scum-bag.

Fred West and Shipman both took the coward's way out and cheated the families of getting justice. If death was the harsher punishment then they obviously wouldn't have committed suicide. Huntley himself has attempted it numerous times.

State-sanctioned murder is still murder.

Let the evil b*stards rot.

[thenodrog]

State-sanctioned murder is still murder.

State sanctioned murder is execution.

[broadsword]

Interchangeable terms

[thenodrog]

First the rovers won and now this.... what a good weekend this is turning out to be.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8276367.stm

But a few questions...

1. Why on earth was this highly dangerous scumbag even in this country? What does one have to do to be denied entry?

2. Surely someone somewhere should have been sacked over this? Were they or are civil servants really unsackable?

3. The girls poor mother wanted him to burn in hell back then, now she says she hopes he is doing, so what purpose has been served in not terminating him asap after he was convicted?

4. Instead of never ending pontification, wringing of hands and renting of clothing over this why not simply try bringing back the death penalty for 100% proven crimes with the option of mercy dependant only on the next of kin? Simple, fair, democratic and above all a stronger deterrent.

[jim mk2]

China (At least 1,770 Executions)

Iran (At least 94)

Saudi Arabia (At least 86)

United States (60)

Pakistan (31)

Yemen (24)

Vietnam (21)

Jordan (11)

Mongolia (8) INCONSISTANT

Singapore (6)

You should emigrate to one of the above countries Gordon.

Most of them democratic and fair and where human life is held in high regard (ahem).

Leave the rest of us to live in our civilised country.

[broadsword]

The good thing about china is that they pop people off in a special van. As soon as the guy pops it, they keep him on ice and harvest his organs.

its a great idea, not sure it would catch on here though.

[tony gale's mic]

4. Instead of never ending pontification, wringing of hands and renting of clothing over this why not simply try bringing back the death penalty for 100% proven crimes with the option of mercy dependant only on the next of kin? Simple, fair, democratic and above all a stronger deterrent.

Everyone who gets convicted of a crime is convicted because the jury believe that it is 100% proven. Our justice system is set up so that if there is any significant doubt, the innocent until proven guilty motto comes into play. However people still have their convictions overturned.

It's more expensive, far less simple in practice, it's not a stronger deterrent (if anything statistically has been shown to increase murder rates) and like a few of us have said before, there's no way on earth the next of kin should have a say in the fate of the accused. Justice is about impartial observers emotionally attached from the situation giving a balanced judgement and punishment.

[MeanGreenMachine]

Death would be the easy way out for that scum-bag.

Fred West and Shipman both took the coward's way out and cheated the families of getting justice. If death was the harsher punishment then they obviously wouldn't have committed suicide. Huntley himself has attempted it numerous times.

State-sanctioned murder is still murder.

Let the evil b*stards rot.

If prison was a punishment i would be quite happy to let them rot, but its not. Dvd players, playstations, et al... Prison is a joke and a easy existance thats why you get repeat offenders.

[broadsword]

I'm not pontificating, wringing my hands or rent my clothing. There's an array of perfectly rational arguments against the death penalty which you haven't addressed thenodrog. All you have in your locker is emotive appealing, and I don't think Parliament arranges new legislation in this way.

So, tough luck, basically.

[American]

If prison was a punishment i would be quite happy to let them rot, but its not. Dvd players, playstations, et al... Prison is a joke and a easy existance thats why you get repeat offenders.

Prison and death row are 2 separate things. Put them in a super-max type prison and it becomes hell on earth. Once saw a former death row inmate speak and he said that being on death row was worse to him than the idea of being put to death.

That being said, I understand those who want the death penalty, they know that the person responsible won't do it again.

[Stuart]

Prison is not a deterent. Quite the opposite, I'm sure.

I know what kind of sentence I am expecting. I feel that prison is better for me.

[tony gale's mic]

Prison is not a deterent. Quite the opposite, I'm sure.

I know what kind of sentence I am expecting. I feel that prison is better for me.

Yes...one sick and twisted individual saying he'd rather be in prison is unequivocal proof of prison not being a deterrent...despite statistical evidence saying the death penalty, if anything, is less of a deterrent than life imprisonment.

[thenodrog]

Prison is not a deterent. Quite the opposite, I'm sure.

I know what kind of sentence I am expecting. I feel that prison is better for me.

Castration should be an option. Preferably surgical.

[rebelmswar]

Castration should be an option. Preferably surgical.

With the giant strides in neuropsychology, they could be able to remove areas of the brain that control urges here shortly.

Read a very neat paper on remote control rodents. They cut the skull opened and inserted electrodes into motor control areas of the rats brain, and could control it like a remote controlled car.

There will be a time soon possibly, when a person murders someone and will have that small area of the brain removed. Same for rape and child abuse.

I am sure that this would never be legal though.

[thenodrog]

With the giant strides in neuropsychology, they could be able to remove areas of the brain that control urges here shortly.

Read a very neat paper on remote control rodents. They cut the skull opened and inserted electrodes into motor control areas of the rats brain, and could control it like a remote controlled car.

There will be a time soon possibly, when a person murders someone and will have that small area of the brain removed. Same for rape and child abuse.

I am sure that this would never be legal though.

Be better if it could happen before the crime. When will science be able to predict that?

[MeanGreenMachine]

Yes...one sick and twisted individual saying he'd rather be in prison is unequivocal proof of prison not being a deterrent...despite statistical evidence saying the death penalty, if anything, is less of a deterrent than life imprisonment.

Prison is like a hostel in this country. Personally it should be one window, one bed, a toilet and maybe a few books and thats it.

[rebelmswar]

Be better if it could happen before the crime. When will science be able to predict that?

Well we can predict it to a degree, most serial killers/rapists/mass murderers and such have certain brain injuries and pre-murderous behaviours.

Screening is impossible due to cost and invasion of peoples privacy.

There may be a day when children get a brain scan when they are born, and people get one after any head trauma. But then again who watches all of these people?

It would be possible to make people never do these things again, but the only problem is that they have to do it once for us to find out.

[mellison24]

Castration and force-feed them their own b*ll*cks. I'm not religious at all and think that Sharia law is only barbaric as it is used as punishment for things not considered crime by most world states. But letting the victim's families stone any b*st*rd rapist, paedo or murderer will do me just fine. Anyone who causes such horrific trauma to another human being is NOT worthy of a life. Rid the planet of the fecking lot of them!!

[tashor]

Castration and force-feed them their own b*ll*cks. I'm not religious at all and think that Sharia law is only barbaric as it is used as punishment for things not considered crime by most world states. But letting the victim's families stone any b*st*rd rapist, paedo or murderer will do me just fine. Anyone who causes such horrific trauma to another human being is NOT worthy of a life. Rid the planet of the fecking lot of them!!

Can't wait to hear what our young Candide has to say about this...........

Watch out mellison, you're about to get a force 6 windy debagging..........

[mellison24]

Can't wait to hear what our young Candide has to say about this...........

Watch out mellison, you're about to get a force 6 windy debagging..........

Meh, to quote the great Sir Cloughie: 'It's only opinion. Makes the world go round.' But I'm pretty forthright in what I think. When something dispicable is done without reason, the individual who has committed said dispicable should be punished VERY heavily for it. A slow, demoralising death is most appropriate imo. OR (as a previous poster mentioned) Criminal bound tight + victim's relatives + the required number of baseball bats would be just as appropriate.

[colin]

Meh, to quote the great Sir Cloughie: 'It's only opinion. Makes the world go round.' But I'm pretty forthright in what I think. When something dispicable is done without reason, the individual who has committed said dispicable should be punished VERY heavily for it. A slow, demoralising death is most appropriate imo. OR (as a previous poster mentioned) Criminal bound tight + victim's relatives + the required number of baseball bats would be just as appropriate.

[/sarcasm alert] Yup, that would work just fine [/sarcasm alert off]

[neekoy]

Yes...one sick and twisted individual saying he'd rather be in prison is unequivocal proof of prison not being a deterrent...despite statistical evidence saying the death penalty, if anything, is less of a deterrent than life imprisonment.

Eveyone is aware that the death penalty, and prison and getting smack on the bum is PUNISHMENT not a deterrent.

You don't send someone to 20 years jail to deter others, you send them because it is what the deem as a suitable punishment for the crime they have committed.

Child Molestation or Rape is either worth chemical castration or death for heinous crimes.

[MeanGreenMachine]

The parents of more than 300 families in Plymouth were warned last night that they may never know whether their children were sexually abused by a female nursery worker who used Facebook to share sexually abusive images of babies that were left in her care.

As Vanessa George, a seemingly law-abiding 39-year-old mother of two, was led away after pleaded guilty to a string of sex abuse charges yesterday afternoon, a judge warned her that the length of her sentence would depend on whether she helped the police identify her victims.

Her paedophile ring was accidentally shattered earlier this year after a chance discovery. Police discovered that she and two strangers who had met her online had been using the internet for eight months to send each other horrifyingly graphic pictures of children being abused, most of them little older than 18-months.

Police said many of the images were in the highest category of abuse, including images involving sex toys and toothbrushes.

Colin Blanchard, a 39-year-old businessman from Manchester, and 39-year-old Angela Allen from Nottingham, also admitted yesterday using text messages and the internet to share and create images with George who, until her arrest in June, was seen as a warm and bubbly nursery worker.

The revelations sent shockwaves through the tightly-knit communities of Efford and Laira, two quiet suburbs of Plymouth that relied on Little Ted's children's nursery where George had been employed without suspicion for three years to look after their children while they worked.

As the investigation unfolded, police initially thought as many as 313 children from 270 different families might have been abused by the nursery worker, although forensic analysis of the deliberately anonymised photographs have since narrowed the number to 30.

But last night Det Supt Michele Slevin of Devon and Cornwall Police admitted they were none the wiser as to which children had been abused and urged George to help identify her victims so they and their parents could begin piecing their lives back together.

“We have interviewed George on five occasions and during those interviews she has co-operated but we have not been able to identify any of those children,” she said. “The judge was clear today that the families will want to know and this is one of our priorities to put their minds at rest and enable them to move on. She has caused massive trauma to a great number of victims, not just to the children, who will not understand what was happening, but also the families and communities in Plymouth.”

As the three defendants shuffled into Bristol Crown Court yesterday morning, watched by some of the parents of children they had abused, it was the first time the trio had stood in the same room together. But they were far from unknown to each other.

The two women claim to have met Blanchard through Facebook, where police believe the Manchester businessmen acted as a catalyst for bringing out the paedophilic fantasies of the two women, both of whom competed for his affection in their messages. Although Blanchard had previously been placed on the sex offenders register, neither woman appeared to have any paedophilic tendencies in their past histories until they met him. But once Blanchard ignited George and Allen's depravity, both women willingly indulged in open abuse.

But had it not been for one of Blanchard's colleagues accidentally stumbling across indecent images on his computer, the abuse could have continued unnoticed.

wire them up to the national grid, if i found out my young son had had this sort of abuse, i would be up on a murder charge.

[thenodrog]

http://news.aol.co.uk/time-make-a-stand-victims-family/article/2009100212263982103545

"Speaking on behalf of Mr Bryan's family, his stepson John Hunt called for society to "make a stand" against yobs. He said: "The sentences given out today to Ricky Anderson and his fellow defendants are just not enough and are certainly no compensation for the pain and grief we are still feeling over the loss of Pete. A devoted husband, step-dad, Grampy, friend and colleague, who had his life taken away from him just as he was about to embark on a well-earned retirement. He was a good man and was killed just because he cared enough to protect his family and his home.

"When will this ever-increasing violent world we live in stop and think about what is becoming an all too regular occurrence? How many families will be forced to endure the pain we are going through? When will our society be allowed to make a stand against these mindless acts and make our communities a safer place to live in? We must not allow these youths to get away with this sort of behaviour. It has to stop. Most of the people involved in the attack of Pete already carried Asbos. Are they really that effective? We have to get tougher and find a stronger deterrent so normal law-abiding citizens can live without fear."