[Archived] Hang Em High

[Rovermatt]

If a burgler enters your home they loose any right and law that can protect them.

What about when they leave?

[broadsword]

Clearly sprinting off down the road and leathering a burglar until they're brain-damaged does not fall into the realm of self-defence.

I can understand him doing it, but I can't excuse it.

[Paul]

You talk about an average burglar and then suggest that the average burglar will have a weapon?

If you arm yourself its 50:50 but with your attitude of appeasement you are neither protecting yourself nor much worse your family. It really is up to you which you choose but to be empty handed by choice and based on the surmisation that a burglar's actions are completely predictable is the choice of a fool.

When you and your missus are tied to a chair by two burglars, one with a pistol thats just been pushed in your mouth with enough force to smash your teeth and with a kettle of boiling water held over you until you reveal where the safe is when as in this case you don't even have one! as my neighbours were then you may feel differently about things. I'm not saying sleeping with a loaded 12 bore shotgun under the bed is the best option but at least it's an option!

I fully appreciate anyone who doesn't agree with your somewhat agressive view of the world will be dismissed by you as a fool. We are all entitled to our views and to suffer the consequences of decisions we make. I'm quite sure if my wife wanted me to arm the house to repel burglars we would have done so many years ago. For the time being I'll carry on being a contented fool and leave the vigilantes to get on with whatever form of self-defence they chose. Should those vigilantes suffer injury or imprisonment that will be entirely a result of the decisions they made as will an injury I might suffer.

Now can I suggest you take your aggresion out on someone else for the rest of the day. Its very tiresome.

[thenodrog]

Its very tiresome.

Well have a quick 40 winks then. You seem to spend your life in a dream bubble anyway.

oh! ....... and have a Happy Christmas.

[Paul]

Had a nap a bit earlier thanks and have been enjoying Christmas since Friday. Thanks

[philipl]

Sorry to interupt the drog's favourite vindictive daydream but violent crime and youth re-offending statistics are dropping pretty dramatically.f

[JAL]

If a burgler enters your home they loose any right and law that can protect them.

True, but we've got to know that they are a burglar and not some innocent whose stumbled inside your doors for something other than to commit a crime. Getting to this stage might not be so clear cut.

But if you know he is a burglar and you give him a beating or the beating of all beatings then you give him that beating on behalf of every decent person of this land to serve them a deterent to the hazards of their actions.

Black Jack only leans for the lenient option because he doesnt want to fund the extra cost of jailing them and looking after them. As Black Jack fully well knows that with his policies there are losers running into the millions who could quite easily or might have to turn to such crimes just to survive.

[colin]

BTW... WHAT WOULD YOU DO COLIN? OFFER TO ROLL EM A SPLIFF OR SIMILAR?

Yup, that should do the job. I'm more Charles Hawtry than Clarles Bronson. Better in my view than inflicting brain damage with a cricket bat.

BTW Has Anyone come up with an un-acceptable battering for them burgulars. I would really like to know this one. Theno?

[thenodrog]

Two more for the long drop if we were a more caring society with more responsible government. Poor bloke died doing good but his killers will not die for doing evil. All wrong.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6982237.ece

[Paul]

I know I'd act rationally if I found a burglar in my house. Rational means protecting yourself and family so anyone burgling our house would be left to leave freely for the simple reason threatening violence might result in violence toward us. At 55 I don't feel inclined to physically take on someone who might be at least 30 years younger. I don't have any poessessions that can't be replaced or are worth losing life and limb for. If my family were being physically threatened that would be something else, not that we have anything other than kitchen knives in the house!

[thenodrog]

I know I'd act rationally if I found a burglar in my house. Rational means protecting yourself and family so anyone burgling our house would be left to leave freely for the simple reason threatening violence might result in violence toward us. At 55 I don't feel inclined to physically take on someone who might be at least 30 years younger. I don't have any poessessions that can't be replaced or are worth losing life and limb for. If my family were being physically threatened that would be something else, not that we have anything other than kitchen knives in the house!

Without knowing any details other than those given in the report I hope this guy is treated very leniently. It could have been you with the carving knife Paul.

http://news.aol.co.uk/man-in-court-after-burglars-stabbed/article/20100118083213636812427

[adopted scouser]

Sounds like the scroat escaped normal justice so summary justice is a much better option than no justice.

Flopsy just as an aside why are you arguing so strongly in favour of parasitical low lifes? If we had to take sides then it appears that you are with the criminals.

Summary justice or otherwise, justice has been served for the batsman. He's been released, superb.

[colin]

Just waiting for a reply from anyone who wants to batter burglars.

Is there anything unacceptable?

Presumably there is a limit?

[Flopsy]

Nope, not to these people, who appear to think their house extends 200 m down the street

[bazza]

If our government would repeal stupid laws and have proper laws in their place; if the Police Force (not Service) were allowed to do its job properly; if the law courts did their job properly; and if we had proper punishments for crime e.g. birching, preferably in public near to the scene of the crime, cricket bats would only be used on pitches and practice nets.

And elderly people would be able to walk in confident safety through our city streets at any time of day or night.

[thenodrog]

Nope, not to these people, who appear to think their house extends 200 m down the street

As opposed to parasitical scroats who appear to think every house is 'their' house and 200m doesn't even come into it. Point being he was caught and got a duffing up. It really matters little whether he was at the corner of the street or on the bloody landing does it? If he hadn't been caught he'd have wrecked ever more homes and lives since with regularity. This way he hasn't..... and most likely won't do again. If he's got the worst of it then it's simply an occupational hazard isn't it? It's personal choice.

Tell you what Flopsy why don't you start a collection on here for him and see how much you get. Try it at work and in the pub too.

I have not a smattering of sympathy for him or his family. I save my concern for more deserving victims, the likes of roofers who fall off rooves, miners who get trapped underground, trawlermen who drown and bomb disposal guys who get blown to smithereens. You should to.

btw Fred Barrass had done hundreds of burglaries by the age of 16. All the associated worry, stress fear etc for so many people and their families. He'd still be at it to in all probability. Well he's not done any since he tried it on with that Tony Martin has he?

[broadsword]

As opposed to parasitical scroats who appear to think every house is 'their' house and 200m doesn't even come into it. Point being he was caught and got a duffing up. It really matters little whether he was at the corner of the street or on the bloody landing does it? If he hadn't been caught he'd have wrecked ever more homes and lives since with regularity. This way he hasn't..... and most likely won't do again.

The bloke got hit over the head so hard with a cricket bat it broke in 3 places and left him permanently brain-damaged.

I doubt he'll be able to do his flies up now, let alone burgle anyone.

It wasn't self-defence, it was retribution.

By all means apprehend him and give him an almighty slap, but this is going too far.

[thenodrog]

The bloke got hit over the head so hard with a cricket bat it broke in 3 places and left him permanently brain-damaged.

I doubt he'll be able to do his flies up now, let alone burgle anyone.

It wasn't self-defence, it was retribution.

By all means apprehend him and give him an almighty slap, but this is going too far.

Like I said Bryan it's an occupational hazard.

[sparkspakespoke]

The bloke got hit over the head so hard with a cricket bat it broke in 3 places and left him permanently brain-damaged.

I doubt he'll be able to do his flies up now, let alone burgle anyone.

It wasn't self-defence, it was retribution.

By all means apprehend him and give him an almighty slap, but this is going too far.

Absolutley it crosses a clear line that any sane person can see. To chase a person down and assult them like that is retribution. Even children know that two wrongs do not make a right.

[broadsword]

I'm just trying to imagine hitting something so hard with a cricket bat that it actually breaks into 3 pieces.

For a man of average strength, is it safe to assume over 100 blows at full exertion? 200? I really have no idea. To break a cricket bat into three pieces, it would take an almighty amount of force, and the fellas who did it don't look like they're jacked-up on steroids.

I posted a link a few pages back about a burglar that got killed by a samurai sword, but this is different gravy. That was an instinctive reaction borne out of self-preservation.

[thenodrog]

Don't be so melodramatic Bryan. It might have been a kiddies cheapo bat or if not they prob cracked it on the road / kerb on the follow through and not on his head.

[adopted scouser]

And what about the two turds who were sent down yesterday ? Porridge with ###### hopefully

[BuckyRover]

I blame the parents. They should face similar time in jail. The kids had no chance.

[thenodrog]

I blame the parents. They should face similar time in jail. The kids had no chance.

Only partly bucky. Lots of kids are being brought up by scummy unfit parents and have 'no chance' too but few do what these did.... or what Venables and Thompson did for that matter. At that age they do know right from wrong even if the middle bit can be a grey area.

btw New term been coined I see 'toxic home life'

[Jimbo]

The bloke got hit over the head so hard with a cricket bat it broke in 3 places and left him permanently brain-damaged.

I doubt he'll be able to do his flies up now, let alone burgle anyone.

It wasn't self-defence, it was retribution.

By all means apprehend him and give him an almighty slap, but this is going too far.

From the Mail

Walid Salem escaped a prison sentence while the householder, businessman Munir Hussain, was jailed for attacking him as he fled.

Mr Hussain, 53, was released on Wednesday after the Lord Chief Justice accepted the father of three had lashed out because he believed his family had been under threat.

Salem, meanwhile, had been given a two-year supervision order and allowed to walk free after doctors said he was too brain damaged to enter a plea.

But the 57-year-old, who has more than 50 previous convictions, has since been arrested on suspicion of other crimes - raising questions about the severity of his injuries.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245188/Career-criminal-Walid-Salem-raided-hero-fathers-home-face-justice.html#ixzz0dSNeVq5g

Obviously didn't hit him hard enough !