[Archived] Hang Em High

[gumboots]

Woke up at 5.30 this morning to come down stairs and find my house had been broken into. TV gone, laptop and God knows what else...

This on the back of spending the last year fighting my toe-rag of an ex over contact to my kids, costing me a bloody fortune, whilst she gets legal aid as her and her family can't be arsed working, and are experts at the benefit game, has just left me completely sick and tired of the under class of people in our society who totally undermine those of us who are prepared to graft for the things in life they want.

I am now having to take time off work, something these people know nothing of, to wait for the CSI guys, meaning that I will be looking at a late finish and an hour and a half drive home on Bank Holiday Weekend. Even if these low-life's get caught it will just be a slap on the wrist for them.

I hope the heroin they buy from the sale of my stuff is contaminated, and that the NHS towards which they have contributed nothing towards, turns them away...but they won't.

You only have to take a walk down any high street to see people who in reality are no better than parasites...totally sick of it.

Can't imagine how you feel. heart goes out to you today.

[thenodrog]

Thing is the Armed Services are busy enough without having to deal with legions of youths who don't want to do National Service.

National Service was brought in in a time of war, same as enlistment in the USA.

Can anyone here who is advocating National Service recount their life-enhancing experiances of it? Or is it just a pipe-dream.

I'd be glad to actually hear from someone who has actually done National Service and come out of it a better person.

I'll stand back now and wait for the flood of comments.

Fife?

I nearly suggested Jim but he'd no doubt have got out of it. Flat feet / concientious objector / hay fever etc.

[thenodrog]

.......... The compulsory element is what turns people off - school has already done enough to turn off most kids and they can't wait to escape its restrictions. Would then holding them back if they are studying at a University of their choice or pursuing a career where even 6 months out might make a difference actually be productive? I don't see it. There are some kids for whom the strong discipline of Forces life is life enhancing - I've met ex pupils I hardly recognised after they have spent a few years in the Army, but without military discipline to go with any project based work, many would just not turn up. I don't think you can have compulsory national service withut some means of enforcing it and I dislike the idea of that very much.

They are the ones that would benefit. Thats where to start. Many less academically gifted are wasting their own and everybody elses time staying on at school so wouldn't there be some value in offering a modernised form of national service as an alternative to school for 15+ kids. It would at least get many away from inner city estates and wastrel parents.

[Darth Paul]

Can't imagine how you feel. heart goes out to you today.

Thanks gumboots, appreciate that. The rant made me feel better, just got to keep my chin up...not the end of the world and there a lot of people worse off than me but felt like the straw that broke the camels back for a while this morning...

The copper who came this morning said the tv would sell for about £20 and most burglars have a £200 a day smack habit to feed which is just mind boggling...rather be in my shoes than theirs so perhaps my last post was a little uncharitable...

Onwards and upwards!

[gumboots]

They are the ones that would benefit. Thats where to start. Many less academically gifted are wasting their own and everybody elses time staying on at school so wouldn't there be some value in offering a modernised form of national service as an alternative to school for 15+ kids. It would at least get many away from inner city estates and wastrel parents.

Perhaps it would, but it's the suggestion that it should be a blanket system, regardless of your abilities, initiative, etc that annoyed me. If you have the gumption to get yourself sorted why should the state need to interfere in your life and send you off to do something totally disruptive? I agree that many kids waste their time in school - it's something other countries recognise and get kids into training colleges for vocational training at an earlier stage than we do.

[Grabbi Graeme]

Thanks gumboots, appreciate that. The rant made me feel better, just got to keep my chin up...not the end of the world and there a lot of people worse off than me but felt like the straw that broke the camels back for a while this morning...

The copper who came this morning said the tv would sell for about £20 and most burglars have a £200 a day smack habit to feed which is just mind boggling...rather be in my shoes than theirs so perhaps my last post was a little uncharitable...

Onwards and upwards!

My Mum's house got broken into a few years back, the police said they knew who it was but they couldn't prove anything, I did suggest that they give me just one name and an address and I'd sort it out myself, they declined my offer.

[BuckyRover]

I don't think there would be any burglaries or street prostitution (relevant as I work near the serial killer) if the NHS provided heroin to addicts and supported their treatment. Instead we label them criminals and create a self fulfilling prophecy. Don't worry though, the majority of people wouldn't stand for this and would rather they "just didn't do drugs", so it will never happen.

[adopted scouser]

I don't think there would be any burglaries or street prostitution (relevant as I work near the serial killer) if the NHS provided heroin to addicts and supported their treatment. Instead we label them criminals and create a self fulfilling prophecy. Don't worry though, the majority of people wouldn't stand for this and would rather they "just didn't do drugs", so it will never happen.

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[Amo]

Sorry to hear that, DP. Do your best to channel your feelings the right way and don't let it overcome you. After all, there isn't much to be done about the situation now.

The government should either legalize every drug or ban the lot of them (alcohol, tobacco inc.). That's the only way around the problem.

[broadsword]

One of his possible victims was black. I'm not sure he was fussed about ethnicity.

[ultrablue]

I don't think there would be any burglaries or street prostitution (relevant as I work near the serial killer) if the NHS provided heroin to addicts and supported their treatment. Instead we label them criminals and create a self fulfilling prophecy. Don't worry though, the majority of people wouldn't stand for this and would rather they "just didn't do drugs", so it will never happen.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article647915.ece

[ultrablue]

so wouldn't there be some value in offering a modernised form of national service as an alternative to school for 15+ kids. It would at least get many away from inner city estates and wastrel parents.

Taking problem 15 year olds away from education?? - the one thing constructive in their lives??

And of course you don't mean every 15 year old - Sure you're not just talking about the Scouts?

[BuckyRover]

http://www.timesonli...ticle647915.ece

Prosecute them?

We would have to double the amount of prisons in the UK, and again, condemn them to a life of crime. You also need to consider that drug use/dealing is also rife in prisons, so it is unlikely it will stop their addiction.

Any other ideas? Shoot them? Tie them up? or just give them their fix and work to get them off it. Take the drugs away from the dealers.

Heroin in Denmark

According to that article, it is already happening in some parts of the UK. I did not know that. It appears it has had some positive results also (surprise surprise)

[bazza]

I understand what you are saying about it being a different form of service but read the comments from ultrablue and you'll see he says Korea has a largely community based service but it's still unpopular. I don't see compulsory service enhancing anyone's life. The compulsory element is what turns people off - school has already done enough to turn off most kids and they can't wait to escape its restrictions. Would then holding them back if they are studying at a University of their choice or pursuing a career where even 6 months out might make a difference actually be productive? I don't see it. There are some kids for whom the strong discipline of Forces life is life enhancing - I've met ex pupils I hardly recognised after they have spent a few years in the Army, but without military discipline to go with any project based work, many would just not turn up. I don't think you can have compulsory national service withut some means of enforcing it and I dislike the idea of that very much.

Well! We may as well pack up education (because the kids don't like it), remove law and order because a lot don't like it. Let's give way to anarchy.

Then see how things turn out, hey?

[bazza]

The copper who came this morning said the tv would sell for about £20 and most burglars have a £200 a day smack habit to feed which is just mind boggling...

Hows about decriminalising all drugs? Buy as much cocaine, heroin, crack as you want at the chemist shop for reasonable money.

This would release money spent on law enforcement to be put into re-hab centres for those who want it.

It would stop the school playground pushers because there would no longer be MONEY to be made out of it. Ref:-Prohibition in the 1920's in USA

One of the most addictive substances is tobacco. That was never illegal. But look how so many people have come off it due to education and enforcement of reasonable law.

[bazza]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article647915.ece

This article is a load of poppycock. I don't agree with at least three statements made by the writer. But who believes the nonsense and lies of the press these days?

[ultrablue]

I feel so sorry for the poor kids that are dragged up by rubbish parents. Compulsory Nat Service could be the making of a lot of them. As well as the discipline, they could be taught the basics of how to perform simple but necessary tasks in order to run a home properly.

Hows about decriminalising all drugs? Buy as much cocaine, heroin, crack as you want at the chemist shop for reasonable money.

Let's just say your views are... interesting

[Steve Moss]

I understand what you are saying about it being a different form of service but read the comments from ultrablue and you'll see he says Korea has a largely community based service but it's still unpopular. I don't see compulsory service enhancing anyone's life. The compulsory element is what turns people off - school has already done enough to turn off most kids and they can't wait to escape its restrictions. Would then holding them back if they are studying at a University of their choice or pursuing a career where even 6 months out might make a difference actually be productive? I don't see it. There are some kids for whom the strong discipline of Forces life is life enhancing - I've met ex pupils I hardly recognised after they have spent a few years in the Army, but without military discipline to go with any project based work, many would just not turn up. I don't think you can have compulsory national service withut some means of enforcing it and I dislike the idea of that very much.

I walked around England for 10 days, frequently alone, at all hours of the day and night and had absolutely no problems. I did see quite a few kids who dressed liked they were hooligans but they never bothered me or anyone else that I saw. I did see a lot of trash laying about and wondered if they caused it, and it showed a disregard for their town, neighborhood, etc. England is a beautiful country but it's covered in litter which I found irritating.

On the issue of National Service, I think its a good one, for the most part. I had a juvenile conviction (a minor thing, not involving hurting people). For some crazed reason I joined the Marines and it did me a world of good. Namely by convincing me that physical labor sucks, and that a nice 8 to 5 job in an air conditioned office was heaven compared to the alternative.

I wouldn't go easy on the military aspect of it, however, especially in the case of young men. There are a lot of young men (including me at age 18) who would respond well to a structured military environment who would not give any sort of respect for a "paint this wall" type of program. Amazingly enough, teach them to march about, provide some weapon training, put them in a uniform, heap a bit of abuse on them, and they'll paint the wall when told, if presented as part of the price for not making the grade at drill, etc.

Just my two cents.

[roversmum]

As a sort of antidote to this thread, my granddaughter Catherine is appearing on tv to represent the Young Carers of England - she is on the Peter Andre 5 O'clock show on Tuesday next 8th June (Channel 4).

Catherine is 17 and has done a huge amount of work for Young Carers and disabled youngsters, having two sisters with profound learning difficulties as well. She has won several awards for her work too. Caution - there may be family photos involved, I dread to think which ones she might dredge up!

[bellamy11]

As a sort of antidote to this thread, my granddaughter Catherine is appearing on tv to represent the Young Carers of England - she is on the Peter Andre 5 O'clock show on Tuesday next 8th June.

Catherine is 17 and has done a huge amount of work for Young Carers and disabled youngsters, having two sisters with profound learning difficulties as well. She has won several awards for her work too. Caution - there may be family photos involved, I dread to think which ones she might dredge up!

Hold the phone - Peter Andre has his own show?!? This country

Congratulations to your daughter. You must be very proud.

[1864roverite]

Perhaps if we in The UK treat criminals as other countries do we may find a positive response.

In plenty of countries abroad they print the criminals pictures in the media and tell everyone what they have done.

In other countries they chop the right hands from theives, that would stop them pilfering.

In other countries burglars get 10yrs in The Uk they are unlucky if they get 4yrs even when they are 3 strikers or more.

This godforsaken pc brigade of dogooders are the only reason we see crime figures like we have. The punishment never fits the crimes.

[thenodrog]

Perhaps if we in The UK treat criminals as other countries do we may find a positive response.

In plenty of countries abroad they print the criminals pictures in the media and tell everyone what they have done.

Quite right. This mother should be named and the pair of them sterilised.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/8203438.Accrington_man_jailed_for_inflicting_35_injuries_on_a_toddler/

"Mark Fisher was arrested along with the child's mother, who cannot be named for legal reasons.

She admitted cruelty on the basis of failing to protect her child and exposing him to risk.

[thenodrog]

Blackburn magistrate axed for calling vandals 'scum'

What a ridiculous case. Any sane minded person would agree with him. Hopefully this is reversed, I can just imagine the faces of the teenagers involved upon hearing the news...nauseating.

It's been reversed.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/8198502.Scum_comment_East_Lancs_magistrate_restored_as_bench_chairman/?ref=mc

[broadsword]

Quite right. This mother should be named and the pair of them sterilised.

That's teh sort of thing the Nazis did.

[Amo]

This godforsaken pc brigade of dogooders are the only reason we see crime figures like we have. The punishment never fits the crimes.

Is it do-goodery, or the fact the prisons are over-crowded and we can't afford to keep cramming people away for decades?