[Archived] Hang Em High

[thenodrog]

Is it do-goodery, or the fact the prisons are over-crowded and we can't afford to keep cramming people away for decades?

Hence my long held belief that we should export prisoners to countries that can provide cheaper accomodation. We must never get into the situation where miscreants and n'er do wells are left to roam the streets creating havoc simply cos we cannot afford to protect society from them. It's a big step toward anarchy.

That's teh sort of thing the Nazis did.

Are you defending the indefensible Bryan? Would you be happy to let these two continue breeding?

[gumboots]

Well! We may as well pack up education (because the kids don't like it), remove law and order because a lot don't like it. Let's give way to anarchy.

Then see how things turn out, hey?

Who said anything about giving up on education? I work in it and have done for 30+ years. However, academic style education is not for all, whatever politicians would have you believe. Some kids benefit from more practical training, or discover they do have an ability to learn more formally when they discover the job they want and realise they need certain qualifications for it. I've spoken to 2 different ex-pupils in the last few months who are both working in nursing. Neither of them was academically inclined, but both found in nursing something that satisfied them and both have now gained qualifications they would have said were beyond then while they were at school. The problem with some kids is it takes a level of maturity they don't reach by the time they are 16. We compartmentalise school years and the rest and a more open approach to education is required so that the training you need is accessible at a later stage of your life. Too often people are tied into mortgages etc and gaining a life changing qualification is extremely hard when you are older.

[thenodrog]

The problem with some kids is it takes a level of maturity they don't reach by the time they are 16. We compartmentalise school years and the rest and a more open approach to education is required so that the training you need is accessible at a later stage of your life. Too often people are tied into mortgages etc and gaining a life changing qualification is extremely hard when you are older.

Ever heard the old saying 'you can lead horse to water but you cannot make it drink' gumboots?

[gumboots]

Ever heard the old saying 'you can lead horse to water but you cannot make it drink' gumboots?

Of course, but sometimes the horse realises later it's thirsty. You can't write everyone who fails in school off and sometimes a more flexible approach to learning would keep some kids learning. It's the rigidity of you stay at school learning academic subjects even if they are not suited to your abilities or inclinations at this stage that causes a lot of problems. It's true that there are some who would never come back to learning, but there are equally a lot who might if they had the chance. It's also true that if we could teach more of what kids need to learn in school for some kids that would be a great help.

[Paul]

As a sort of antidote to this thread, my granddaughter Catherine is appearing on tv to represent the Young Carers of England - she is on the Peter Andre 5 O'clock show on Tuesday next 8th June (Channel 4).

Catherine is 17 and has done a huge amount of work for Young Carers and disabled youngsters, having two sisters with profound learning difficulties as well. She has won several awards for her work too. Caution - there may be family photos involved, I dread to think which ones she might dredge up!

I hope many people watched or recorded this show to learn a little of the incredible young woman Catherine and the enormous contribution she and other young carers make to the lives of others, whether immediate family or simply people in their local community. Catherine told her story, a very emotional one, on live TV. She came across as a very capable, confident young woman whom I'm sure her family are exceptionaly proud of. I hope she enjoys all those treats, roversmum, because she so clearly deserves every one.

As an aside I was surprised to find Peter Andre seems a very likeable young man.

[roversmum]

Thank you, Paul. We are indeed very proud of her. I am sure she will be a great ambassador for Carers and youngsters with disabilities in the future.

The show is repeated at 8.45am tomorrow (Wednesday morning).

[bazza]

Who said anything about giving up on education? I work in it and have done for 30+ years. However, academic style education is not for all, whatever politicians would have you believe. Some kids benefit from more practical training, or discover they do have an ability to learn more formally when they discover the job they want and realise they need certain qualifications for it. I've spoken to 2 different ex-pupils in the last few months who are both working in nursing. Neither of them was academically inclined, but both found in nursing something that satisfied them and both have now gained qualifications they would have said were beyond then while they were at school. The problem with some kids is it takes a level of maturity they don't reach by the time they are 16. We compartmentalise school years and the rest and a more open approach to education is required so that the training you need is accessible at a later stage of your life. Too often people are tied into mortgages etc and gaining a life changing qualification is extremely hard when you are older.

I absolutely agree with all that you say. University should be for the brilliant and academic only. Other means of education such as apprenticeships and technical colleges should be for the rest of us. I've been saying this for years and I always get shot down in flames.

[BuckyRover]

I don't think she is referring to the ones that go to University.

She is talking about the ones that fall by the wayside before they have even taken their GCSE's.

[thenodrog]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article7145784.ece

Obviously a scam for more perks.

Maybe cutting a few shoplifters hands off coupled with the odd stoning and hanging for various trivial offences might lead em to convert back to christianity pdq.

[gumboots]

I don't think she is referring to the ones that go to University.

She is talking about the ones that fall by the wayside before they have even taken their GCSE's.

Both really. University is not for everyone. Practical qualifications are not for everyone either. It should however, be possible to make it easier for people to move back into education later if you've opted for a more practical course earlier in life. Sometimes you don't know how good a brain you have until you need it.

[thenodrog]

Both really. University is not for everyone. Practical qualifications are not for everyone either. It should however, be possible to make it easier for people to move back into education later if you've opted for a more practical course earlier in life. Sometimes you don't know how good a brain you have until you need it.

And vice versa.

[gumboots]

And vice versa.

Yes, although I think you'd find very few academics who would actually want to retrain as plumbers or whatever, as most i know are useless in practical terms

Having said that I'm not bad at assembling flat pack furniture myself!

[BuckyRover]

Both really. University is not for everyone. Practical qualifications are not for everyone either. It should however, be possible to make it easier for people to move back into education later if you've opted for a more practical course earlier in life. Sometimes you don't know how good a brain you have until you need it.

Indeed.

I know a single mother who wanted to train to be a nurse. It ended up costing her a fortune, she would have been better off sitting at home all day doing nothing.

She ended up paying though, an inspiration I suppose.

Crazy.

[Paul]

Indeed.

I know a single mother who wanted to train to be a nurse. It ended up costing her a fortune, she would have been better off sitting at home all day doing nothing.

She ended up paying though, an inspiration I suppose.

Crazy.

How did that come about? Student nurses receive a bursary in the region of £5-6000 pa plus their fees are paid for them. Presumably the costs she had were childcare etc?

[BuckyRover]

They were indeed childcare costs.

I didn't check my sources though, I took what she said at face value. I

[American]

As an aside I was surprised to find Peter Andre seems a very likeable young man.

Saw him interviewed today and agree.

Anywhere the program can be watched online?

[gumboots]

Saw him interviewed today and agree.

Anywhere the program can be watched online?

Try here http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-5-oclock-show/4od#3078243

If that doesn't work search channel4 and go to 4od then put in Peter Andre and it's Tuesdays episode I think but if you read the synopsis you'll see.

[thenodrog]

More scope for the rope......

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/8265237.3_000_mourners_say_goodbye_to__murdered__Blackburn_man/

I heard a rather disturbing and horrific tale about the background to this killing. An honour killing with complications. I'll not say anything more just yet until things are confirmed or otherwise. Does anybody know any details?

Coming on the back of other recent 'honour' killings involving local people i.e. the deaths of the London Road house fire (which was apparently mistaken identity.... the wrong house!) and the Nelson family shot dead in Pakistan should this country's lawmakers not be prioritising this issue rather than attempting to keep it all low key?

[thenodrog]

<!--quoteo(post=810735:date=Aug 21 2009, 09:15 :name=thenodrog)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (thenodrog @ Aug 21 2009, 09:15 ) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=810735"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Well as expected Megrahi has landed to a hero's welcome. I'd like to have seen him fall down the plane steps of course but there you go. Totally expected and I guess the US anger is directed at Libya and some sweaty who made the decision. Gordy might have hated Teflon Tony but it appears that finally he has taken a leaf out of his book and sidestepped any problems. Considering that the plane took off from Heathrow the sound from Westminster has been deafening.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Ooops. Spoke too soon. Chickens are coming home to roost. The 'special' relationship reporrted last week between Gordy and Obama might be cooling somewhat. I bet Gordy and his mates might soon wish hanging had never been banned.

The Senate wants to see Jack Straw up before the beak in the US over Megrahi's release now! I don't really know why cos the septics will know more about the murky waters of oil exploration than anybody I'd expect. The major oil and gas producing countries are not nice, friendly countries by any means are they? The Middle East, Russia, Iran, Nigeria, Venezuala etc etc. Not high on the list of holiday destinations are they?

Anyway Jacks now impaled on the spike of his own making! I bet he's bloody crapping it! Those yanks emotionally destroyed that little fella who was in charge of BP.

Much as I find it hilarious cos I'd love to see the sleazier aspects and murkier depths of the previous govt outed I think it's time to tell the yanks to swivel on the grounds of hypocricy if nothing else! Every other major country would I'm sure.

[colin]

You'll no doubt be interested in this then

here

Just pointing it out.

[philipl]

Confirmation that Americans are totally bonkers when it comes to punishment

[Steve Moss]

Confirmation that Americans are totally bonkers when it comes to punishment

We do lock up too many and we definetly need to clear up more than a few of our laws. I've long favored having a sunset clause be included in every law, just to make sure some of the craziness gets looked at every once in a while.

[thenodrog]

Ludicrous!

This would not be happening in a perfect world would it? Even an imperfect world should surely have seen the cell door locked whilst he bled?

http://news.aol.co.uk/huntley-sues-over-prison-attack/article/2010073019275459823005?icid=main|uk-ws-bb|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.co.uk%2Fhuntley-sues-over-prison-attack%2Farticle%2F2010073019275459823005

It might even be better to tattoo 'HUNTLEY CHILD KILLER' on his face, take away his passport and simply release him.

[adopted scouser]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1301003/Special-investigation-How-predatory-gangs-force-middle-class-girls-sex-trade.html

Disgusting, and we can't mention the fact that they are Asians for fear of the racist card being played. Blackburn is mentioned (as it was in the Lancashire Telegraph a while back).

[thenodrog]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1301003/Special-investigation-How-predatory-gangs-force-middle-class-girls-sex-trade.html

Disgusting, and we can't mention the fact that they are Asians for fear of the racist card being played. Blackburn is mentioned (as it was in the Lancashire Telegraph a while back).

But Nick...... The race card is played from the off. It's white girls who are the targets.