[Archived] Hang Em High

[DE.]

You're confusing deportation with repatriation. Yes, deport idiots like these to a country that supports their beliefs, a sh1tthole 100 years behind the rest of the world

They're British citizens (or at least one of them is, not sure about the second bloke) so why would another country take them, and on what grounds can we put them there?

[thenodrog]

Just a point relevent to the above debate but if that lad or some of the passers by had been carrying guns he'd prob be alive now.

[ABBEY]

the good muslims need to prove they are indeed good and oust and report to the police any with extreme views . Will it happen? will it balls.

[DE.]

Just a point relevent to the above debate but if that lad or some of the passers by had been carrying guns he'd prob be alive now.

Or more people would be dead if a gunfight had broken out and people become caught in the crossfire.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just a point relevent to the above debate but if that lad or some of the passers by had been carrying guns he'd prob be alive now.

I doubt it to be honest, the assailants had the advantage of surprise. If we go down that road the extremists will have won in my opinion

[thenodrog]

They're British citizens so why would another country take them, and on what grounds can we put them there?

None and why should we when we can simply re-introduce the title of this thread for such heinous crimes?

No doubt some limp wristed, pinko, apologist will now pipe up about the possibility of mistaken identity or a 'let him have it' type defence.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

None and why should we when we can simply re-introduce the title of this thread for such heinous crimes?

No doubt some limp wristed, pinko, apologist will now pipe up about the possibility of mistaken identity or a 'let him have it' type defence.

You'll be asking for ' Sharia Law ' next.

[thenodrog]

I doubt it to be honest, the assailants had the advantage of surprise. If we go down that road the extremists will have won in my opinion

Explain that thought to his family Tyrone.

[thenodrog]

the good muslims need to prove they are indeed good and oust and report to the police any with extreme views . Will it happen? will it balls.

Could it be these Mohammedans are in the minority or constitue a maliciously silent majority? Not good either way is it?

[Jock]

Expect George ' HAW HAW ' Galloway to defend their actions.

Our Lily-Livered leaders will do nowt.

[broadsword]

You're opening a can of worms there because you would make martyrs of them by killing them. I'm not sure if the 9/11 plotters who've been on trial have been sentenced yet, but I would doubt they'll go on death row.

This is one heck of a problem to be dealing with, you're talking about religious fundamentalists, the enemy within. They're not irish republicans who'll eventually be persuaded to put down their arms following reasonable concessions as part of a political protest.

You're talking about people living in the UK who've been radicalised to the extent that they're willing to kill someone in the most repignant way in order to further their cause. From what I remember, the al Qaeda game plan was to ruin the economy of the US by terrorism and then take over teh world economy with an islamic equivalent. Perhaps these are just lone nuts and the country will have to face nothing worse than isolated incidents in the future but try telling that to the family of the soldier who's just died. It's nothing to do with race, but certainly the religion is the problem as it's the vehicle by which these people believe they're better off butchering someone and then getting shot.

You really have to wonder whether these will just be isolated incidents in the future or whether it will escalate. Or whether indeed, these people will get organised enough to again to try a set-piece multiple target attack again. When a jihadist says “we love death more than you love life” then that's down to religion, and it's a serious cause for concern.

[JAL]

Just a point relevent to the above debate but if that lad or some of the passers by had been carrying guns he'd prob be alive now.

Now thats a route we could never go down otherwise you and jim would be involved in a shoot out of a non footballing kind.

Looks like two completely disaffected migrants to me which asks how many more are out there .

[thenodrog]

They aren't migrants. Not only that but I shouldn't be suprised to witness scenes of celebration in some parts of the country and quite possibly in this town if previous form is anything to go by.

Now anybody remember this?........ As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood." Not just malicious hot air was it?

[patrickvalery]

Shocking and horrendous video,but today I was bought presents by some of the loveliest kids you could wish to meet. We shared food together,laughed and cried together and every one of them was a Muslim. We need to be very careful that we don't make the mistake of tarring them all with the same brush or well drive more and more of them into the arms of those who behave like that lot. Keeping open communications, learning about the things we have in common rather than our differences and learning that one another's ways are not always wrong, just different is the only way forward.

Gumboots, as ever you are the voice of reason and your points are, imo, correct. But it does seem to be a one sided educational process here. I don't believe many people from the western world of sane minds are tarring all Muslims with the same brush. Yes a select bunch of bufoons will always go against the grain. But those who do (i'm thinking BNP) get ridiculed in the national media. However, the same cannot be said of the Muslim community who spout the same bile but in reverse. The video Bryan posted goes some way to showing the increasing support from Muslims to radical hatred towards the west. It seems as if the west has to keep accepting such barbaric behaviour and take the moral high ground each time. I am sure there are numerous examples of Muslim groups who have condemned this type of behaviour, but until the majority of the Muslim community find their voices and vilify those responsible for these acts in the same way white British people have vilified the likes of Huntley, West, Sutcillfe and Brady then the problem will escalate. I don't know how it is possible to eradicate these kinds of crimes when so many religious leaders promote it. And worse still, as Le Chuck mentioned, those who do get their faces plastered across the press. It just fuels the fire.

[jim mk2]

Just a point relevent to the above debate but if that lad or some of the passers by had been carrying guns he'd prob be alive now.

And there would have been a massive US-style shootout. Do you think before you type this rubbish ?

[thenodrog]

I agree Patrick. The first step forward would be to discourage intense religious indoctrination of infants and put an end to faith schools.

[JAL]

I agree Patrick. The first step forward would be to discourage intense religious indoctrination of infants and put an end to faith schools.

So if we ban the jewish faith schools how will this look to the outside world ?

[SouthAussieRover]

That keaner gloating to the cameras should have been shot dead.

[broadsword]

In footage obtained

by The Sun, he can also be heard saying: 'You think David Cameron is

going to get caught in the street when we

start busting our guns you think politicians are going to die? 'No it's going to

be the average guy, like you, and your children. So get rid of them. Tell them to bring our troops back so

you can all live in peace.'

Quote from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html?ICO=most_read_module

Providing that that quote is correct, then it is quite telling that he says "our troops". Unbelievable.

[adopted scouser]

So if we ban the jewish faith schools how will this look to the outside world ?

Who cares ? Hitchens was right, religion poisons everything. ALL religion

[Tom]

Pure evil scum but I wish the media would show a little restrain

The guy pretty much admits its all for attention so what do itv do? They show his rant giving him exactly the platform he wanted to get his hate filled sick message across

EDL aren't going to help things tonight either

[broadsword]

Someone's already tried to burn down a mosque in Essex.

[colin]

Shocking and horrendous video,but today I was bought presents by some of the loveliest kids you could wish to meet. We shared food together,laughed and cried together and every one of them was a Muslim. We need to be very careful that we don't make the mistake of tarring them all with the same brush or well drive more and more of them into the arms of those who behave like that lot. Keeping open communications, learning about the things we have in common rather than our differences and learning that one another's ways are not always wrong, just different is the only way forward.

Lovely post Gumboots. I'm with you on this. Too many people getting angry because a couple of people are actually insane & angry.

Good job we don't all treat the medical profession like Harold Shipman nor our LGV drivers like Peter Sutcliffe

[patrickvalery]

Lovely post Gumboots. I'm with you on this. Too many people getting angry because a couple of people are actually insane & angry.

Good job we don't all treat the medical profession like Harold Shipman nor our LGV drivers like Peter Sutcliffe

Does this not anger you then Colin? Take religion out of the equation here. A young man not guilty of anything other than walking down a street in our capital city is hacked up by two lunatics. If all three had been of the same religious persuasion i'd feel just as angry as i do tonight. Its absolutely shocking that any human could do that to another. More shocking still when you consider it was probably planned. I think people have every right to feel angry about this.

[broadsword]

The religion was a trigger point for it. That and what is happening in the Middle East.

Let's get this correct, we're not seeing every grown male muslim taking to the streets for a bloodbath, but it's of great concern. You can't compare this to Shipman or Sutcliffe because there wasn't an inculcation of values designed to impel them to murder in the name of a religious deity - their personal details were incidental. You could argue that these two today, the 7/7 terrorists, the 9/11 hi-jackers were all nuts. But that's too simplistic and dismissive for me.

If you regard jihadists are a subset of Islam, as a cult of its own, then I was reading a book on psychology recently which claimed that everyone (even Richard Dawkins perhaps) is susceptible to being recruited into a cult, no-one is infallible. These jihadists already have a defined recruiting ground in the shape of mosques up and down the country. I just hope no-one else's mind is poisoned and we come to view today as an isolated act.

I still feel sick about it, how calculated and obscene, designed to provoke the maximum response. I am reviled that a human could do this to another.