[Archived] Hang Em High

[Steve Moss]

Steve, do I say "let them free"?

quite the opposite, if they want to go and live in a backward country after they have served their sentence, let them. They then may realise their stupidity.

If they can't find anywhere, then they stay in jail, full stop.

There are plenty of backward areas of the world where they would be treated like heroes if they were released there. The only options should be a rope and a drop or a very small cell for the rest of their natural lives.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Any detailed enquiry into whats going on in Africa should tell you about the propensity towards violence of Islam in comparison to Christianity. Islam is spreading south and all along the dividing line its attacking Christians, bombing churches and attempting to topple governments.

[ultrablue]

There is a book that asserts Liberalism sees Christianity as an obstacle and defends Islam and it makes sense some just lump all fundamentalist religions in to one. So, really, I'm wary of what Liberals 'rationally' assert. One person was saying the perpetrator was converted to Islam though originally Christian. Islam and Liberals both dislike Christianity. If one goes that route, why not say dictators of the 20th century were like Stalin, Mao. We know what they did.

Are you American? If not please don't follow their @#/?isation of the word liberal. Liberalism is for the freedom of religion. It does not favour one religion over another. It does not defend one over another. Liberals do not dislike Christianity. They share the core tenet of treating others as yourself - freedom from persecution for your beliefs.

Next you'll be saying liberals are left-wing. Stop watching Fox News.

[Audax]

There's no difference with the Atheists and Liberals, allies, i.e. Stalin, Mao and the Islamic Terrorists and they both hate Christianity.

[Paul]

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/10385817.Thug_assaulted_women_in_Blackburn_nightclub/

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/news_in_brief/10430676.Assault_arrest/

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/10425127.Rishton_man_faces_jail_for_sexual_grooming/

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/archive/2012/04/23/News+-+UK/9664593.Man_bailed_over__bomb_Asian_restaurants__claim/

[PAFELL]

Someone's already tried to burn down a mosque in Essex.

Kicked off in London last night. Mosque in Woolwich bricked / bottled etc. Going to be hard to stop things getting worse from here.

[PAFELL]

And as for this warning for soldiers and armed forces by commanders not to wear uniform is wrong . They should be wearing it to make a stand and show a united forces against terrorism .

How many get turned in ? Which community in Blackburn celebrated and celebrates 9/11? Which community has held training camps in corporation park ? Which communities drive with black rags on their cars?

This was also the policy during the times of the Irish troubles. Soldiers were always told not to ware uniforms when going home on leave for example. Though many took no notice.

[Stuart]

Threads like this make me want to weep.

Let's hope this was a "one-off", by a couple of nutjobs as some seem to want to try to paint it, but, deep down, we all know it isn't.

RIP Lee Rigby.

[jim mk2]

Threads like this make me want to weep.

Let's hope this was a "one-off", by a couple of nutjobs as some seem to want to try to paint it, but, deep down, we all know it isn't.

RIP Lee Rigby.

Really ?

[PAFELL]

Threads like this make me want to weep.

Let's hope this was a "one-off", by a couple of nutjobs as some seem to want to try to paint it, but, deep down, we all know it isn't.

RIP Lee Rigby.

My wife works in London. Said more armed Police about than normal this morning. They think it could be just the start of things to come. Even if it is just two nut jobs. It has possible planted in the sick minds of other nut jobs an idea. ie copycat type stuff.

[Jock]

The Liberal Elite make me sick, they bend over backwards for Muslims. I bet these murderers that were living on benefits from the State that they hate so much.

I dont like Muslims, never had done and dont care that i'm labelled a racist. The way they treat women is disgusting, bullies the lot of them.

[Sandiway Blue]

The Liberal Elite make me sick, they bend over backwards for Muslims. I bet these murderers that were living on benefits from the State that they hate so much.

I dont like Muslims, never had done and dont care that i'm labelled a racist. The way they treat women is disgusting, bullies the lot of them.

@#/?,that is the biggest load of racist crap i've read in a long while.

There is a colleague of mine who is an Asian muslim.He doesn't treat his wife badly,he likes bacon butties he has an odd glass of Vodka and he smokes an odd joint.He is totally disgusted with what happened in Woolwich and said they are a disgrace and aren't proper Muslims and that they should be kicked out of the country.

To tar all Muslims with the same brush is disgusting and highlights your lack of intelligence and understanding of other cultures and faiths.

[Jock]

@#/?,that is the biggest load of racist crap i've read in a long while.

There is a colleague of mine who is an Asian muslim.He doesn't treat his wife badly,he likes bacon butties he has an odd glass of Vodka and he smokes an odd joint.He is totally disgusted with what happened in Woolwich and said they are a disgrace and aren't proper Muslims and that they should be kicked out of the country.

To tar all Muslims with the same brush is disgusting and highlights your lack of intelligence and understanding of other cultures and faiths.

You stay understanding them and i'll stay a racist and carry on disliking their faith.

Send the Thought Police round.

[ultrablue]

I see Jock - and which view is more likely to solve the problem - engagement, communication and open-mindedness? or your pathetic bigotry?

There are no thought police, but hopefully you one day summon the intelligence and realise "hang on, I'm a racist. I've spent my life being a detriment to my country, my friends and my family."

Fortunately people of your mindset are in the minority and tend to die younger. - Have a nice day

[ultrablue]

There's no difference with the Atheists and Liberals, allies, i.e. Stalin, Mao and the Islamic Terrorists and they both hate Christianity.

Wait, are you saying Stalin and Mao were liberal? Bloody hell, this thread is bringing out the idiots

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

I see Jock - and which view is more likely to solve the problem - engagement, communication and open-mindedness? or your pathetic bigotry?

There are no thought police, but hopefully you one day summon the intelligence and realise "hang on, I'm a racist. I've spent my life being a detriment to my country, my friends and my family."

Fortunately people of your mindset are in the minority and tend to die younger. - Have a nice day

Yes which view is more likely to solve the problem? I wouldn't say my views are as extreme as jock's but what are the results of "engagement, communication and open-mindedness" so far in the last 20 years? A few pages back in this thread there was a video showing Muslims marching chanting slogans about our police and government burning in hell, these marches are far from uncommon. There's the country-wide practice of raping and prostituting white children by Muslim gangs. A terrorist plot has killed 52 people in London, and tens, possibly hundreds of others have been thwarted. British Muslims are going overseas to train as terrorists and fight British troops, again in the tens, possibly hundreds. There's an ever increasing number of racist assaults against white people like the girl in Leicester who was put in hospital by 4 Muslim girls, and of course the one on Lee Rigby, the vast majority though are played-down by the press or wrongly not classed as racist by the police (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/most-race-attack-victims-are-white-1069502.html).

Is your approach working? Honest question which I'd like you to answer. You describe the attitude to Muslims in recent times as engagement, communication and open-mindedness. I'd throw in a couple of other adjectives like tentative, grovelling and fearful. But no doubt you'll continue to have it right up to the point where its you or your family that are directly affected instead of other people. In my book its called sticking your head in the sand and taking the safe option. Anything for an easy life as the saying goes. Well all I can say is the liberals who have sat back, watched it happen to others, and jumped on opposition to it with cries of racist, deserve to have other people sit back and watch if it ever happens to them.

[Jock]

If i'm such a nasty right winger, what does that make these Muslim elders who dictate that women are second class citizens and homosexuals should be hanged?

muslims are the Neo-Nazi's of Britain.

[ultrablue]

The Liberal Elite make me sick, they bend over backwards for Muslims. I bet these murderers that were living on benefits from the State that they hate so much.

I dont like Muslims, never had done and dont care that i'm labelled a racist. The way they treat women is disgusting, bullies the lot of them.

You stay understanding them and i'll stay a racist and carry on disliking their faith.

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My statement was a direct comment on these two posts. Labelling all Muslims as wife beating bullies who want to hang homosexuals is severally damaging to the goal of integration and peaceful coexistence.

Are there Muslims in the UK who want to harm us and hate what we stand for? Demonstrably so. Have we succeeded in integrating the Muslim community into our society? Clearly not.

But tarring an entire group of people with the same brush can only create more problems. We need to pull these people closer, not push them further away. That is not the easy way out. It takes a lot more effort than lazy bigots who shut their doors and fume in front of their TVs.

Engagement, communication and open-mindedness are the ideals; the watchwords by which we need to handle this terrible situation. You may feel tentative, grovelling and fearful is the reality all too often. But this does not mean British society should change its ideals. Leave the racism, hate and violence to the Extremists. As that one woman said to the murderer " You will not win."

[ABBEY]

Maybe it's not the entire Muslims not integrating etc, but alls you need to do is drive round Blackburn these days and see how many fully integrated mask wearing women there are. They are allowed to drive wearing them and even go in banks( imagine if I went in Barclays balaclava style) . How many cars have black rags tied to them . How many wear long dresses ( no idea what they are called) men that is.. That's not intergratiion. Garages selling fuel to Muslims only , halal meat .

Going back a few years I was crossing the zebra at kgh , a car full of Asians nearly ran me over on it , they threw a lucozade bottle at me and shouted white @#/? , I chased the car up towards the police station , there was a policeman guess what happened

A . The car got stopped for bring racist towards me.

Or

B. I was threatened with arrest for being racist .

[ultrablue]

I'm with you Abbey. In my opinion there should be a choice between Halal and non-Halal meats in any franchise restaurant. People should always show their face in banks for security reasons. Integration needs give and take.

As for that incident, the police's comments came from a fear of being labelled. Bring communities closer and only then will people like that be unafraid to call a spade and spade.

This guy has got it right.

http://www.downvids.net/i-039-d-vote-for-this-guy-to-be-prime-minister--451255.html

[jim mk2]

Yes which view is more likely to solve the problem? I wouldn't say my views are as extreme as jock's but what are the results of "engagement, communication and open-mindedness" so far in the last 20 years? A few pages back in this thread there was a video showing Muslims marching chanting slogans about our police and government burning in hell, these marches are far from uncommon. There's the country-wide practice of raping and prostituting white children by Muslim gangs. A terrorist plot has killed 52 people in London, and tens, possibly hundreds of others have been thwarted. British Muslims are going overseas to train as terrorists and fight British troops, again in the tens, possibly hundreds. There's an ever increasing number of racist assaults against white people like the girl in Leicester who was put in hospital by 4 Muslim girls, and of course the one on Lee Rigby, the vast majority though are played-down by the press or wrongly not classed as racist by the police (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/most-race-attack-victims-are-white-1069502.html).

Is your approach working? Honest question which I'd like you to answer. You describe the attitude to Muslims in recent times as engagement, communication and open-mindedness. I'd throw in a couple of other adjectives like tentative, grovelling and fearful. But no doubt you'll continue to have it right up to the point where its you or your family that are directly affected instead of other people. In my book its called sticking your head in the sand and taking the safe option. Anything for an easy life as the saying goes. Well all I can say is the liberals who have sat back, watched it happen to others, and jumped on opposition to it with cries of racist, deserve to have other people sit back and watch if it ever happens to them.

None of this is true and is just standard alarmist stuff you see on anti-Islamist websites and blogs.

As far as I am aware those marches took place many years ago, and are not "far from uncommon" (when was the last march ? - please show evidence) if only because in the past they usually provoke similar marches and confrontations with the EDL.

There have been islolated cases of Muslim gangs involved with white girls but to say it is a "countrywide practice" is clearly nonsense.

The London attack took place six years ago since when (until Woolwich) there have been no terrorist incidents in this country while to say there is "an ever increasing number of racist assaults against white people" is unproven and of course works both ways (remember Stephen Lawrence?) when you get incidents like the ones below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-21265496.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/racist-attack-prakash-devyani-patel-1761509

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ricky-reel-died-after-a-racist-attack-16-years-ago-now-his-family-says-a-new-witness-could-prove-he-was-murdered-8531759.html

t is also wrong to say these incidents are played down by the press - read the Mail, Express and the Telegraph for evidence - while the police are quick (sometimes too quick in my opinion) to class such incidents as racist - witness the hours after the Woolwich murder.

All you are doing with that ill-informed post is perpetuating myths about this so-called problem and showing yourself to be no better than some of the extremists.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

My statement was a direct comment on these two posts. Labelling all Muslims as wife beating bullies who want to hang homosexuals is severally damaging to the goal of integration and peaceful coexistence.

Are there Muslims in the UK who want to harm us and hate what we stand for? Demonstrably so. Have we succeeded in integrating the Muslim community into our society? Clearly not.

But tarring an entire group of people with the same brush can only create more problems. We need to pull these people closer, not push them further away. That is not the easy way out. It takes a lot more effort than lazy bigots who shut their doors and fume in front of their TVs.

Engagement, communication and open-mindedness are the ideals; the watchwords by which we need to handle this terrible situation. You may feel tentative, grovelling and fearful is the reality all too often. But this does not mean British society should change its ideals. Leave the racism, hate and violence to the Extremists. As that one woman said to the murderer " You will not win."

Thats the key point for me, we haven't succeeded in intergrating them into our society. Our attempts at diplomacy, tolerance, treading on eggshells for the last 2 decades have done nothing except seemingly drive them further away. Extremism appears to be on the rise, as does undisguised racism against white people. What happened to Lee Rigby is the crossing of a threshold to me. If its got to the point where a random white person can be literally butchered in the street in broad daylight in the name of Islam, by people who live in this country, then a change of approach is needed and fast.

So either we need a new approach or we need to conceed than integration isn't gonna happen and to stop trying to make it work. If its the second approach then it needs to be a case of saying do what you want but do it strictly within the laws of this country. Any stepping outside of the laws will be dealt with in exactly the same way as white people are. No more positive discrimination basically, no more treading on eggshells and no more actually giving a stuff about police/government relations with Muslim communities. These are the rules, in black and white, no special consideration and if you don't like it tough.

Personally I wish that wasn't necessary and we could continue a friendly, softly-softly and relaxed approach. But if this was a science experiment the results would be considered conclusive by now. And that woman might be convinced about who'll win but I'm not. Look at Pakistan, Libya, Egypt, Somalia, Sudan, Mali, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan and Indonesia for examples of where civilised moderates are losing against Islamist doctrine.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

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There have been islolated cases of Muslim gangs involved with white girls but to say it is a "countrywide practice" is clearly nonsense.

You're joking aren't you? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22617339

54 being investigated, and it'd be pretty naieve to think thats even half of what is taking place. I wouldn't get any work done today if we debated every point in my/your post but there shouldn't even be a debate on this one. Its widespread and its in many different locations around the country. Lets call a spade a spade eh.

[ABBEY]

None of this is true and is just standard alarmist stuff you see on anti-Islamist websites and blogs.

As far as I am aware those marches took place many years ago, and are not "far from uncommon" (when was the last march ? - please show evidence) if only because in the past they usually provoke similar marches and confrontations with the EDL.

There have been islolated cases of Muslim gangs involved with white girls but to say it is a "countrywide practice" is clearly nonsense.

The London attack took place six years ago since when (until Woolwich) there have been no terrorist incidents in this country while to say there is "an ever increasing number of racist assaults against white people" is unproven and of course works both ways (remember Stephen Lawrence?) when you get incidents like the ones below.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-21265496.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/racist-attack-prakash-devyani-patel-1761509

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/ricky-reel-died-after-a-racist-attack-16-years-ago-now-his-family-says-a-new-witness-could-prove-he-was-murdered-8531759.html

t is also wrong to say these incidents are played down by the press - read the Mail, Express and the Telegraph for evidence - while the police are quick (sometimes too quick in my opinion) to class such incidents as racist - witness the hours after the Woolwich murder.

All you are doing with that ill-informed post is perpetuating myths about this so-called problem and showing yourself to be no better than some of the extremists.

jim take your head out of the sand...what goes on at the Vue cinema (railwaycar park) ? Grooming does all the time .

[broadsword]

Maybe Jim should've watched Dispatches last night ...