[Archived] Hang Em High

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Two well known war memorials in London have been defaced with the word Islam in the last 24 hrs.Some idiots ( could be our own crackpots) are really trying their best to stirr the shyte and some.

[SAS]

Had an Asian male pulled up on Blackburn road Accy a couple of hours ago at gunpoint by the police. Interesting.

[JAL]

Two well known war memorials in London have been defaced with the word Islam in the last 24 hrs.Some idiots ( could be our own crackpots) are really trying their best to stirr the shyte and some.

Best to wait and see what develops.

Is this all in order to pass stronger laws on internet and mobile spying ?.

[DE.]

Two well known war memorials in London have been defaced with the word Islam in the last 24 hrs.Some idiots ( could be our own crackpots) are really trying their best to stirr the shyte and some.

The EDL I'd guess. They find it difficult to string more than two words together and "Islam" is one of the few words in most of their supporters vocabularies, normally preceded by a curse of some kind.

[ABBEY]

Think you're right there. The beheading aspect is headline stuff and not reality as far as I've been able to establish.

True or not they still brutally murdered him .

[Stuart]

Not worth it.

[broadsword]

There's not much more to talk about regarding the crime. Let's face it, it was specifically committed with the callous intention to provoke the maximum emotional reaction in the public. "We want to start a war in London tonight." It's the logical extension of burning poppies, protesting at soldiers' home-coming parades and so on.

This is what these hate preachers are after, provoking a civil war in the UK.

I'm glad the police didn't kill them, given their ages I'd expect they can rot in prison for the next fifty years, however their minds are so twisted and poisoned, throwing away the greater part of their lives on hatred probably won't register with them.

Anyone committing any sort of revenge in Lee Rigby's name is just playing into these people's hands. What I'd like to see is the law coming down a lot harder on these islamic protesters. It's incredible that they seem able to indulge in such provocative action. It's almost like they're daring people to attack them. I'm sick of it. Honestly, if it was down to me, the next time there was a home-coming parade, I'd nick the lot of them. Breach of the peace.

[T.J.Newton]

Brutal murders happen every day(though mostly behind closed doors), these particular brainwashed phsycos saying it was in the name of Islam is no different than some warped junkie butchering his lifelong best pal because his dog told him to do it(only these killers minds where warped by preachers of hate manipulating there fragile noggins instead of drugs).

[ABBEY]

Not worth it.

Your pre edit was true

[broadsword]

I really have no idea on the murder rate in the UK, certainly some murders don't make the national news. There's certainly been black-on-black stabbings quite often on London's streets. Each loss of life is tragic, and the degree of representation in the media is not in any way to place more importance on one life than another.

Certainly this one was particularly newsworthy as it preys on people's fears. This wasn't some loner killing for kicks, it was killing in the name, by an enemy within. People will be concerned about possible escalation, because there was a structural element to their motivation which means it could be replicated. Vulnerable young men having their heads filled with hate and twisted logic. I am not saying that that is particular to Islam, but I think a certain degree of fear is understandable.

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Nothing I hate more than a lazy jihadist Muslim terrorist

Seriously though, religion aside the middle eastern world has every right to hate us(uk, usa and our allies) and want us dead because of the things our GOVERNMENTS(and the corporations there under the thumb of) have done to there countries and their innocent citizens in the last 100 years or so(though the last 10 years alone should be enough!)

I'm no expert on things further back but apart from going into Iraq what exactly have we done wrong in modern times?

Afghanistan was direct retaliation for the murder of over 5,000 civilians on American soil, an atrocity that could have been magnified by a factor of 2 if every plane had hit its intended target. What's the suggested alternative action for the one the US took? Wait for it to happen again? Childishly assume it won't? They attempted to neutralise the threat, a logical and justifiable action in my opinion.

As I've said, going into Iraq was more trouble than its worth and we shouldn't have done it.

Libya - we were asked to go in and help the rebels, we did do, and stopped them getting slaughtered and helped them overthrow a maniac. Amazing how little that war gets mentioned by critics of our foreign policy regarding Muslims.

Syria - Same as Libya in terms of offering help but no military intervention yet. Well the Muslims there may want us to help, it may be the right thing to do, but if I was the British government I'd be tempted to wash my hands of it completely right now. We'll only be criticised for any further intervention somewhere down the line.

And then there's the issue of the countless millions in aid we've given to all countries in the middle east year after year. Like Libya and Syria, that seems to count for nothing. It sickens me when people make out we've brought acts of pure evil like the butchering of Lee Rigby and the twin towers on our heads. Our generation has done nothing of the sort. And it makes me wonder at what point people are going to stop apologising for these religious nutjobs.

[thenodrog]

The EDL contain a number of odious and ignorant individuals which disguise it's intention and repulse many of the people that it no doubt hopes to recruit, BUT The law of karma states that "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction". I guess if we didn't have a problem with immigrants then we wouldn't have the EDL.

[Amo]

The EDL I'd guess. They find it difficult to string more than two words together and "Islam" is one of the few words in most of their supporters vocabularies, normally preceded by a curse of some kind.

That's out of line. You've got to watch out for these Muslamic Infidels.

[LeChuck]

Help for Heroes are rejecting donations from the EDL. A very noble stance and one I'm glad they've taken. It's been turning my stomach seeing Lee Rigby's name hijacked by those thugs. Everything I've read about his suggests it's the last thing he'd want as well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22684489

The EDL contain a number of odious and ignorant individuals which disguise it's intention and repulse many of the people that it no doubt hopes to recruit, BUT The law of karma states that "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction". I guess if we didn't have a problem with immigrants then we wouldn't have the EDL.

The issue there is the definition of "problem". Just having people of different skin colours and ethnic backgrounds will be a problem for some.

Judging by the chants from the weekend it seems there is a close link between football hooligans and the EDL. You know...people who want violence for the sake of it. It's just another excuse for them. There is definitely a link between the tribal aspects of the two things so it's not a surprise there is a big crossover.

[Guest Norbert]

The EDL bunch are just thick racists, plain and simple. Whilst there is a debate about multi-culturalism, how people of different backgrounds should live together etc. the EDL lot have such small brains, their contribution would be 'send all the pakis back to durkastan and they can live under Iraqi law over there.' Then they'll try and beat up a Sikh they think is a Muslim, have an argument and then fight each other.

[Tom]

I feel the EDL get a bad rap

After all without them who else will stand up to fictional Lions?

[LeChuck]

I pray to Allah that picture isn't photoshopped.

[Tom]

I presume it's fake in some way but still got a chuckle

You have to be wary of those Narnians though

[cn174]

[JAL]

True or not they still brutally murdered him .

Have you seen the pictures of the guys face on the floor Abbey ?

[Jeru tha Damaja]

I'm no expert on things further back but apart from going into Iraq what exactly have we done wrong in modern times?

Afghanistan was direct retaliation for the murder of over 5,000 civilians on American soil, an atrocity that could have been magnified by a factor of 2 if every plane had hit its intended target. What's the suggested alternative action for the one the US took? Wait for it to happen again? Childishly assume it won't? They attempted to neutralise the threat, a logical and justifiable action in my opinion.

5,000? Officially a shade under 3,000. Still bad enough, but let's be accurate, otherwise it'll be 10,000 in another 5 years.

Also, let's not rewrite history. The action that the US actually took was to demand that the Taliban hand over Osama bin Laden. Mullah Omar made the quite reasonable request that the US provide evidence that the crime was linked to bin Laden, to which President Bush responded that there would be no negotiation. Omar's regime refused to extradite bin Laden without evidence to support the charges against him and Bush, having failed to circumvent international law in a more civil manner, sent in the troops.

Even to this day the FBI and CIA have admitted that they have no evidence linking bin Laden to 9/11. The closest they got was a ropey video that was inaudible in all the places where US "experts" claimed constituted a confession.

So, there are questions to be answered regarding Afghanistan, too.

As for the idea that America should have sat back and ignored 9/11, it might not be as stupid as it sounds. The reports of terrorist plots have only got more frequent since the start of the War on Terror. Certainly homegrown terrorists are mostly disaffected by the wars that are spilling into their parents' countries, and when we are most often referring to Pakistan I think that has a direct relevance to the war in Afghanistan.

Finally, "neutralising" bin Laden (not sure how people would feel if things were reversed a little and it has been a PM or President that had been "neutralised") didn't really solve the problem, did it? Osama is long dead and had been marginalised within his own organisation for some time previous, but do Americans feel any safer? Will they feel safe any time soon? I doubt it, so the logic of seek and destroy has to be questioned.

[Steve Moss]

There seems to be a lot of mockery of the EDL. Looking at their wikipedia page, it appears that their main focus appears to be opposition to militant Muslims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League

What occurred to me when reading its entry is that they would not be paid attention to (and vilified) if they weren't considered a threat. And its core, and which it appears to express poorly, is that a nation can afford, and prosper, if it follows the maxim “democracy, immigration, multiculturalism… pick any two”. You can't survive after implementing all three. Pick two and you're fine.

[Steve Moss]

Also, let's not rewrite history. The action that the US actually took was to demand that the Taliban hand over Osama bin Laden. Mullah Omar made the quite reasonable request that the US provide evidence that the crime was linked to bin Laden, to which President Bush responded that there would be no negotiation. Omar's regime refused to extradite bin Laden without evidence to support the charges against him and Bush, having failed to circumvent international law in a more civil manner, sent in the troops.

Finally, "neutralising" bin Laden (not sure how people would feel if things were reversed a little and it has been a PM or President that had been "neutralised") didn't really solve the problem, did it? Osama is long dead and had been marginalised within his own organisation for some time previous, but do Americans feel any safer? Will they feel safe any time soon? I doubt it, so the logic of seek and destroy has to be questioned.

Two comments:

1. Good for President Bush. He didn't play the Taliban's game and it was much to his credit. It's a great object lesson for those countries who might consider harboring our enemies.

2. I actually think most Americans feel much safer post-9/11. Yes there is the occasional terrorist attack, but that was the case pre-9/11. What has not occurred since on US soil is anything equivalent to the WTC.

Finally, are you seriously claiming Bin Laden was not in some way responsible for 9/11? Forget that classified information the USA and the UK (properly) refused to share with the Taliban. You are calling him a liar. From wiki:

"In the 2004 Osama bin Laden video, bin Laden abandoned his denials without retracting past statements. In it he said he had personally directed the nineteen hijackers.^[125][138] In the 18-minute tape, played on Al-Jazeera, four days before the American presidential election, bin Laden accused U.S. President George W. Bush of negligence in the hijacking of the planes on September 11.^[125] According to the tapes, bin Laden claimed he was inspired to destroy the World Trade Center after watching the destruction of towers in Lebanon by Israel during the 1982 Lebanon War.^[139]

Through two other tapes aired by Al Jazeera in 2006, Osama bin Laden announced, "I am the one in charge of the nineteen brothers. [...] I was responsible for entrusting the nineteen brothers [...] with the raids" (May 23, 2006).^[140] In the tapes he was seen with Ramzi bin al-Shibh, as well as two of the 9/11 hijackers, Hamza al-Ghamdi and Wail al-Shehri, as they made preparations for the attacks (videotape broadcast September 7, 2006).^[141] Identified motivations of the September 11 attacks include the support of Israel by the United States, presence of the U.S. military in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. enforcement of sanctions against Iraq."

[DE.]

What convenient timing for that video to come out, don't you think, Steve?

[Amo]

Two comments:

1. Good for President Bush. He didn't play the Taliban's game and it was much to his credit. It's a great object lesson for those countries who might consider harboring our enemies.

2. I actually think most Americans feel much safer post-9/11. Yes there is the occasional terrorist attack, but that was the case pre-9/11. What has not occurred since on US soil is anything equivalent to the WTC.

Finally, are you seriously claiming Bin Laden was not in some way responsible for 9/11? Forget that classified information the USA and the UK (properly) refused to share with the Taliban. You are calling him a liar. From wiki:

"In the 2004 Osama bin Laden video, bin Laden abandoned his denials without retracting past statements. In it he said he had personally directed the nineteen hijackers.^[125][138] In the 18-minute tape, played on Al-Jazeera, four days before the American presidential election, bin Laden accused U.S. President George W. Bush of negligence in the hijacking of the planes on September 11.^[125] According to the tapes, bin Laden claimed he was inspired to destroy the World Trade Center after watching the destruction of towers in Lebanon by Israel during the 1982 Lebanon War.^[139]

Through two other tapes aired by Al Jazeera in 2006, Osama bin Laden announced, "I am the one in charge of the nineteen brothers. [...] I was responsible for entrusting the nineteen brothers [...] with the raids" (May 23, 2006).^[140] In the tapes he was seen with Ramzi bin al-Shibh, as well as two of the 9/11 hijackers, Hamza al-Ghamdi and Wail al-Shehri, as they made preparations for the attacks (videotape broadcast September 7, 2006).^[141] Identified motivations of the September 11 attacks include the support of Israel by the United States, presence of the U.S. military in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. enforcement of sanctions against Iraq."