[Archived] Hang Em High

[Audax]

Wow, started reading this thread and thought i was in the wrestling forum. We talked about Zeb Colter who was as hilarious as can be and managing I believe someone named Jack Swagger, we talked about these 2 a few months ago in that thread.

[jim mk2]

EDL shows its "concerns" over the Woolwich incident by burning a Somali cultural centre to the ground in north London tonight. Counter-terror police launched an investigation into the blaze after the letters EDL were found scrawled on the wrecked building. Perhaps members with EDL connections who share the organisation's "concerns" would care to comment.

[blueboy3333]

Interesting... (or would 'revealing' be a better term) how if the EDL organise a march in a town or city that there is immediately a counter march organised by unite against fascism and similar groups yet when these troublemaking muslim bstards organise a public rally to gain support for their cause jihad I never see a counter demo across the street from the millions of 'moderate' muslims who we are continually informed are just as much against extremism and terrorism as we are.

I'm beginning to think a 'moderate' muslim is just a myth perpetrated with the intention to mislead and misguide the more impressionable. Anybody else wonder the same?

baseless argument cos the EDL don't constitute a majority amongst non muslims either.

No, i work with lots of muslims, we talk @#/? about football, take the @#/? out of each others teams, they go home to their families, i go home to mine. I've been to meals at their homes, they've been to mine. They never mention religion to me but they do go to prayer quite regularly. I really don't care what they do. Also, like the non-muslims i know they were disgusted by what happened to that soldier in London. The sentence i've highlighted leads me to think it's you who is misguided, and also incredibly ignorant.

[gumboots]

No, i work with lots of muslims, we talk @#/? about football, take the @#/? out of each others teams, they go home to their families, i go home to mine. I've been to meals at their homes, they've been to mine. They never mention religion to me but they do go to prayer quite regularly. I really don't care what they do. Also, like the non-muslims i know they were disgusted by what happened to that soldier in London. The sentence i've highlighted leads me to think it's you who is misguided, and also incredibly ignorant.

The point I've been hammering for some time. My dad taught me a long time ago that there are good and bad in every race and in every situation. I've been banging on about it for ages now.

[Stuart]

In vociferous and visible opposition to the EDL we have UAF.

In vociferous and visible opposition to Islamist extremists we have...?

Get moderate Muslims to fill that blank and maybe we are onto something.

It's not enough being 'good'. As Edmund Burke said, all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

[blueboy3333]

In vociferous and visible opposition to the EDL we have UAF.

In vociferous and visible opposition to Islamist extremists we have...?

Get moderate Muslims to fill that blank and maybe we are onto something.

It's not enough being 'good'. As Edmund Burke said, all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

That's not even an argument. Moderate muslims are on TV all the time condemning extremists. You don't have to walk around the streets in a gang to have an opinion.

[ABBEY]

which is worse ? brutally hacking a soldier to death on the streets or burning a building? Not condoning either btw ,just asking.

Ironic when one of the acts the people are asked for calm and not react .

It is always one way as well.. poppy burners got fined £50 person who argued with them got fined £350.

[T.J.Newton]

Burning a building is potentially much worst as many lifes could have been lost, not that it should be seen as s competition to see whats worst ffs, but sadly black and white(so to speak) is the only way some are capable of seeing things.

[ABBEY]

much worst?

Burning a building is potentially much worst not that its as black and white as that, but sadly black and white(so to speak) is the only way some are capable of seeing things.

oh .

[LeChuck]

Ironic when one of the acts the people are asked for calm and not react .

It is always one way as well.. poppy burners got fined £50 person who argued with them got fined £350.

Not sure what the first sentence means.

Not sure what the point of the second sentence is in relation to this story. The people and community involved with that building had nothing to do with the soldier attack.

The maximum sentence should be given to the people responsible. Just as it should the two who murdered Lee Rigby.

[ABBEY]

it wasnt just an attack it was a brutal cold blooded murder and an attack on the British Army.

What did Lee Rigbys communityor people have to do with what happened ,if your going down that road.

Agree with your sentacing bit, but they wont give maximum tho will they. Surely murdering a soldier on the street is treason and that i think still has the death penalty.

[thenodrog]

No, i work with lots of muslims, we talk @#/? about football, take the @#/? out of each others teams, they go home to their families, i go home to mine. I've been to meals at their homes, they've been to mine. They never mention religion to me but they do go to prayer quite regularly. I really don't care what they do. Also, like the non-muslims i know they were disgusted by what happened to that soldier in London. The sentence i've highlighted leads me to think it's you who is misguided, and also incredibly ignorant.

So ask em why don't they organise protest against their own extremists? I ask cos there are usually plenty of immigrants and immigrant descendents to the fore at anti EDF meetings. Maybe you could ask your mates and give us all an insight blueboy.

btw Do they you ever tell you what they pray about?

The point I've been hammering for some time. My dad taught me a long time ago that there are good and bad in every race and in every situation. I've been banging on about it for ages now.

Exactly. So shouldn't we be seeing the forces of good coming to the fore in open condemnation of jihadists etc? If not what is stopping them do you think gumboots?

EDL shows its "concerns" over the Woolwich incident by burning a Somali cultural centre to the ground in north London tonight. Counter-terror police launched an investigation into the blaze after the letters EDL were found scrawled on the wrecked building. Perhaps members with EDL connections who share the organisation's "concerns" would care to comment.

Careful of jumping the gun in your unseemly haste to support terrorists, jihadists and enemies of the state before random right wing organisations. There is an old saying.... 'believe half of what you see and none of what you hear'. Now I'm no EDL supporter but why would they sign their work? It may be them or it may be designed to be done by them. Who knows that as yet for certain?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

EDL shows its "concerns" over the Woolwich incident by burning a Somali cultural centre to the ground in north London tonight. Counter-terror police launched an investigation into the blaze after the letters EDL were found scrawled on the wrecked building. Perhaps members with EDL connections who share the organisation's "concerns" would care to comment.

Who has connections to the EDL? Or are you just assigning that tag to everyone on one side of the argument? Do you have connections to the, in my opinion, even more violent and volatile UAF? An organisation responsible for considerably more arrests any time they show up in numbers.

Obviously burning down the Mosque is appalling and not what any normal person wants to see.

[cn174]

it wasnt just an attack it was a brutal cold blooded murder and an attack on the British Army.

What did Lee Rigbys communityor people have to do with what happened ,if your going down that road.

Agree with your sentacing bit, but they wont give maximum tho will they. Surely murdering a soldier on the street is treason and that i think still has the death penalty.

Treason doens't have the death penalty. And I'm pretty sure killing a soldier isn't treason either, but murder.

[thenodrog]

Who has connections to the EDL? Or are you just assigning that tag to everyone on one side of the argument? Do you have connections to the, in my opinion, even more violent and volatile UAF? An organisation responsible for considerably more arrests any time they show up in numbers.

Obviously burning down the Mosque is appalling and not what any normal person wants to see.

I can't imagine it would bother any atheists out there. I must say I'd like to see em all shut down and boarded up along with Madrassa's, faith schools and any other organisations which drive a 'them and us' wedge through our societry.

Treason doens't have the death penalty. And I'm pretty sure killing a soldier isn't treason either, but murder.

I believe that you are correct there Clur. Might change if we get out of the eu and subject more political issues to referendum mind but it's a long shot.

[ABBEY]

Thought it did . Apologies.

[jim mk2]

Who has connections to the EDL? Or are you just assigning that tag to everyone on one side of the argument? Do you have connections to the, in my opinion, even more violent and volatile UAF? An organisation responsible for considerably more arrests any time they show up in numbers.

Obviously burning down the Mosque is appalling and not what any normal person wants to see.

Read through the thread - there are people on here who share the EDL's "concerns".

Careful of jumping the gun in your unseemly haste to support terrorists,

jihadists and enemies of the state before random right wing

organisations. There is an old saying.... 'believe half of what you

see and none of what you hear'. Now I'm no EDL supporter but why would

they sign their work? It may be them or it may be designed to be done by them. Who knows that as yet for certain?

Where have I stated I support "jihadists" ? Did you miss the Janet and John comprehension lessons at school ? Send me a PM with your address and I'll send some old copies out of the attic.

Everything you post on here is straight out of the EDL manifesto so your claim doesn't wash I'm afraid.

[thenodrog]

Read through the thread - there are people on here who share the EDL's "concerns".

Where have I stated I support "jihadists" ? Did you miss the Janet and John comprehension lessons at school ? Send me a PM with your address and I'll send some old copies out of the attic.

Everything you post on here is straight out of the EDL manifesto so your claim doesn't wash I'm afraid.

As far as continually inferring that I'm an EDL supporter I'm most certainly not and I resent your continual allegations. BUT if I were to choose to be a member / supporter of the EDL or a voter of the BNP there is nothing wrong or illegal with being so. I do however confess to belonging to the silent but vast majority, the man in the pub, the bloke at work, the chap at the match, the family next door etc etc. If that doesn't suit your politics or your agenda then hard luck.

Tell you what if I send you my address how about bringing them around so that I can explain fully? Alternatively I could just as easily come to yours.

[ABBEY]

You really are a cretin at times Jim .. Your way or the highway .

[ABBEY]

Is that last bit not make believe tho ?

[Steve Kean's Hypnotoad]

Read through the thread - there are people on here who share the EDL's "concerns".

I've never even bothered to look on the EDL website but I assume they were originally set up with the goal of opposing the level of immigration and the negative aspects of its impact on British society. Well if thats the case then yes, I very much share its concerns, as do the majority of people in this country despite your attempts to force that view to be regarded as a marginal one.

But its one thing sharing the basic concerns of an organisation and quite another assigning yourself to being a part of it. I oppose the violence used by the EDF, the moronic and criminal nature of some of its members and the racist sidetracks it seems to go down. I'd never join an organisation so seemingly uncommitted to the democratic political process and with such a prevalence for aggression.

In my opinion it suffers from the bulk of its members coming from the more deprived areas of the country, as those are the areas most affected by immigration. And this may sound classist and is probably a stereotype but I think its pretty undeniable that the working/unemployed class have a less organised, disciplined and thought out approach to politics. It should be possible for a party with the original viewpoint of the EDL to operate in a similar manner to UKIP, the SNP, Plaid Cymru. But unless one is set up by a more broad demographic with a more peaceable original approach to the matter, I wouldn't even consider becoming a member.

So you can cross Daily Mail reader, Albert whatever his name is and EDL activist off your attempts to discredit people who disagree with you list.

[jim mk2]

As far as continually inferring that I'm an EDL supporter I'm most certainly not and I resent your continual allegations. BUT if I were to choose to be a member / supporter of the EDL or a voter of the BNP there is nothing wrong or illegal with being so. I do however confess to belonging to the silent but vast majority, the man in the pub, the bloke at work, the chap at the match, the family next door etc etc. If that doesn't suit your politics or your agenda then hard luck.

Tell you what if I send you my address how about bringing them around so that I can explain fully? Alternatively I could just as easily come to yours.

I've referred to it once (about 20 minutes 3 or 4 posts ago) so who does the "continually" come from ? Another example of you misreading. You're hardly "silent" because your use this forum to make your views known in no uncertain terms and as for "majority" well, that's a matter of opinion.

You really are a cretin at times Jim .. Your way or the highway .

Just because someone has a different view to yours doesn't make them a "cretin".

[ABBEY]

I've referred to it once (about 20 minutes 3 or 4 posts ago) so who does the "continually" come from ? Another example of you misreading. You're hardly "silent" because your use this forum to make your views known in no uncertain terms and as for "majority" well, that's a matter of opinion.

Just because someone has a different view to yours doesn't make them a "cretin".

That's rich because if anyone has different views from you then your calling them all sorts. .. Jims way or the highway at the correct speed limit of course .

[T.J.Newton]

Just because someone has a different view to yours doesn't make them a "cretin".

Don't you come here often hahahahaaaaaaaa

Using deodorant would make you a poncy cretin to some around here.

[Mike E]

Just because someone has a different view to yours doesn't make them a "cretin".

Bit rich coming from you tbh. You're worse than drog for politics, insisting everyone should be a lefty or they are incompetent.