[Archived] Hang Em High

[broadsword]

Turns them into martyrs though Gord, they'd be off to their non existent prophet for rubber dinghy rapids etc.

Give 'em hard labour on Dartmoor in the rain and snow

get them shovelling @#/? on a pig farm

[jim mk2]

Is that relevent? I'd have thought a confirmed and committed Thatcherite would have supported a hard line on murderers. Can we assume that you have suffered a significant bump on the head sometime in the last 20 years?

You're in favour of capital punishment and I've provided you with a list of medieval countries that still have state executions.

Why are you still here ?

[Audax]

That's the 3rd time that wikipedia article has been posted here I think. Being a one-trick pony.

Child Killers, like what happened to Drummer Lee Rigby, multiple murders, other crimes of depravity, I think that's all one is saying they want CP for however, one of the previous posts is correct, you make these people martyrs for their cause. I hope they can put these people into solitary confinement, no contact though that might be against human rights as well.

[thenodrog]

That's the 3rd time that wikipedia article has been posted here I think. Being a one-trick pony.

Child Killers, like what happened to Drummer Lee Rigby, multiple murders, other crimes of depravity, I think that's all one is saying they want CP for however, one of the previous posts is correct, you make these people martyrs for their cause. I hope they can put these people into solitary confinement, no contact though that might be against human rights as well.

Logic dictates there should be a code invented for inhuman rights? Those you mention are not human and deserve no protection from any law. They forfeited that by their evil and premeditated actions.

btw I think he's just discovered google and wiki etc. He's posted that goodness knows how many times and I think he keeps posting another similar one for Steve Moss on the gun toting thread.

[Audax]

http://nypost.com/2013/10/14/thug-shot-during-brazen-attempted-bike-heist/

Interesting video here. I don't know for certain if this is real, seems it could be staged.

[Amo]

Boy, 3, Murdered After He Wet The Bed

[Steve Moss]

Boy, 3, Murdered After He Wet The Bed

And the death penalty would be entirely appropriate. Animal.

[Amo]

That's insulting to the animal kingdom.

[Tom]

No punishment would be harsh enough for Ian Watkins and the mother of the child they tortuted

'The court has been hearing how Watkins recorded the attempted rape of a very young child in a hotel room in Shepherds Bush, London, in April 2012. He also filmed himself abusing the child alongside the child's mother inside a hotel where the band were staying.'

The word scum is banded around a lot but it doesn't even come close here

[Amo]

If what Watkins got up to wasn't disturbed enough, the fact these two women abused their own children with him is a whole other level of f****d up.

[FGS5635]

Words fail....Im not sure what punishment you can even consider for this level of evil. Death is to good for them

[thenodrog]

Haven't read much about this yet but what I have does horrify me. I'd wager that they will all claim that they suffered abuse in childhood.

[broadsword]

I'm all for sex offenders being free to mix with the general prison population.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Not going to comment on individual cases, as a criminal defence lawyer you deal with the sad to the pathetic, to the abused, to the neglected. Yes it's @#/? out there. One reason I am against the death penalty is that sometimes the state/police get it wrong.....too many cases to mention, Bimingham six, Guildford four etc false confessions, torture by the state to get a result.

Bottom line, is it right to put the innocent to death, than lock up the guilty for life......the likes of Brady, West, god knows how many more and there are approx 40-50 who are locked up with no prospect of release, are deservedly where they should be.......but once you put someone to death who was not guilty........sign of a civilized country (even US are getting there for the most part, no disrespect), fine line?

[Steve Moss]

Words fail....Im not sure what punishment you can even consider for this level of evil. Death is to good for them

Death is exactly what they deserve. The sooner the better.

[Stuart]

Not going to comment on individual cases, as a criminal defence lawyer you deal with the sad to the pathetic, to the abused, to the neglected. Yes it's kean out there. One reason I am against the death penalty is that sometimes the state/police get it wrong.....too many cases to mention, Bimingham six, Guildford four etc false confessions, torture by the state to get a result.

Bottom line, is it right to put the innocent to death, than lock up the guilty for life......the likes of Brady, West, god knows how many more and there are approx 40-50 who are locked up with no prospect of release, are deservedly where they should be.......but once you put someone to death who was not guilty........sign of a civilized country (even US are getting there for the most part, no disrespect), fine line?

Why do people like this deserve warm, light, safety, security, health, being fed, watered, having their dignity preserved? All funded by the taxpayer - and at a time when ordinary law abiding folk are struggling, and some people even dying, as a result of not being able to afford their gas bill while the utility companies post higher and higher profits. How about turning off the heating and electricity in a few prisons for a bit?

I keep hearing the line about how society treats it's criminals as a measure of civilisation. Well a society that concerns itself over the welfare of criminals BEFORE the welfare of victims is pretty @#/? up, IMHO. But that's exactly what we do.

This country is upside down.

[Proudtobeblue&white]

Why do people like this deserve warm, light, safety, security, health, being fed, watered, having their dignity preserved? All funded by the taxpayer - and at a time when ordinary law abiding folk are struggling, and some people even dying, as a result of not being able to afford their gas bill while the utility companies post higher and higher profits. How about turning off the heating and electricity in a few prisons for a bit?

I keep hearing the line about how society treats it's criminals as a measure of civilisation. Well a society that concerns itself over the welfare of criminals BEFORE the welfare of victims is pretty keaned up, IMHO. But that's exactly what we do.

This country is upside down.

So the odd miscarriage of justice (although not that uncommon) means it's ok to put innocent people to death just as long as you kill the majority of wrong uns? The reason the death penalty was abolished.....the police get it wrong regularly I'm afraid.

[Paul]

As a generalisation you'll never get those who favour capital punishment to answer that point. This is the only relevant question "are we as a society prepared to execute wrongly convicted innocents to ensure the guilty are punished?"

I would love to see this stance defended but have yet to find anyone with a solution.

[Mike E]

So the odd miscarriage of justice (although not that uncommon) means it's ok to put innocent people to death just as long as you kill the majority of wrong uns? The reason the death penalty was abolished.....the police get it wrong regularly I'm afraid.

I think the death penalty should be allowed but only in very specific circumstances, where the evidence is rock solid. Beyond reasonable doubt is good for our system now. But if some system of 'Beyond any doubt' is possible, I'd bring it back.

As for stopping heating and leccy in prison, do it. Better than no light on the M65!

[jim mk2]

Why do people like this deserve warm, light, safety, security, health, being fed, watered, having their dignity preserved? All funded by the taxpayer - and at a time when ordinary law abiding folk are struggling, and some people even dying, as a result of not being able to afford their gas bill while the utility companies post higher and higher profits. How about turning off the heating and electricity in a few prisons for a bit?

I keep hearing the line about how society treats it's criminals as a measure of civilisation. Well a society that concerns itself over the welfare of criminals BEFORE the welfare of victims is pretty keaned up, IMHO. But that's exactly what we do.

This country is upside down.

This country is civilised, not upside down. If capital punishment turns you on here's the list of countries that still do state executions, some right charmers among them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country

Off you go.

[thenodrog]

This country is civilised, not upside down. If capital punishment turns you on here's the list of countries that still do state executions, some right charmers among them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country

Off you go.

Booooorrrrring! How many times are you going to post that tired old link?

[jim mk2]

As long as people continue to advocate capital punishment. Why are you still here ?

[thenodrog]

Not going to comment on individual cases, as a criminal defence lawyer you deal with the sad to the pathetic, to the abused, to the neglected. Yes it's kean out there. One reason I am against the death penalty is that sometimes the state/police get it wrong.....too many cases to mention, Bimingham six, Guildford four etc false confessions, torture by the state to get a result.

Bottom line, is it right to put the innocent to death, than lock up the guilty for life......the likes of Brady, West, god knows how many more and there are approx 40-50 who are locked up with no prospect of release, are deservedly where they should be.......but once you put someone to death who was not guilty........sign of a civilized country (even US are getting there for the most part, no disrespect), fine line?

You are conveniently forgetting a number of issues.

1. The deterrent effect. Many would think twice if the rope was in store. Also people would be less likely to carry and commit crimes involving firearms if the death penalty were in existence.

2. There is far less potential for mistakes by the police now that there is all manner of electronic surveillance from street camera's to cash points to simple mobile phones. Plus we now have virtually infallible DNA evidence.

3. You mention the tired old woolly liberal argument of executing 'innocent' people. Well what about the rights of the INNOCENT people who have been murdered by convicted murderers who served their 6/9/12 years or whatever and had been subsequently released? I'd wager there are many many times more of those than there are innocent people executed in the past 100 years.

Not only that but you referred to 'life' imprisonment. What a hoot! There really is no such thing except in cases which would cause public outrage. Life only means life in the most severe of cases e.g Ian Brady but that doesn't stop a proper 'life' sentence being reviewed by some limp wristed individuals in Brussels and being overturned does it?

Now tell me how you think there is any doubt that Brady and West are guilty? How about Huntley, Cregan etc? How about Adebolajo and Adebowale the killers of Lee Rigby? A crime which was not only filmed but played out in front of numerous witnesses in broad daylight. There is no justification on this earth for them ever seeing another day dawn.

[thenodrog]

As long as people continue to advocate capital punishment. Why are you still here ?

Bit of free advice for you John.... wind your neck in! I've noticed one way or the other that you are making lots of enemies on here of late.

[Guest Norbert]

People still killed each other when there was a death penalty. And people still kill each other in parts of the USA etc. where they have it now. So where is this deterrent factor?

As for innocent people being executed as unimportant, well it is easy to say such things when you are not accused of something you did not do.