[Archived] Hang Em High

[Amo]

Kate ? Good grief.

Good grief indeed. She and her hubby should be behind bars, not living it up thanks to their daughter's "disappearance".

[thenodrog]

Good grief indeed. She and her hubby should be behind bars, not living it up thanks to their daughter's "disappearance".

Be rather cruel if they are innocent wouldnt it?

[Amo]

Be rather cruel if they are innocent wouldnt it?

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.

[dave birch]

I'm sure, Amarillo, you've handed your proof to the plod?

[ABBEY]

Taxi for topman

[Mike E]

I'm with A'mo on that one. All evidence is admittedly circumstantial but there is SO much available to the public that implies the McCanns 'could' have done it. And it's factual things like police interview recordings (Kate refusing to answer 40-odd questions about events that night).

The only difference between Mrs Kular and the McCanns is that the McCanns are middle class.

[Stuart]

The only charge you could level at them is child neglect, surely. In theory, that could have led to them losing their other children to social services.

I guess it would come down to a 'public interest' issue (as in: not in the).

[Tom]

Whilst I am of the belief there is more to that story than meets the eye in civilised society we have systems in place and if there isn't enough evidence to charge them then legally they have to be presumed to be not guilty. Still not keen on certain aspects since but if they are innocent it's not my place to stick my oar in (although the child neglect is blatant)

In this latest case there is obviously enough proof to at least charge the mum with murder.

[Mike E]

The only charge you could level at them is child neglect, surely. In theory, that could have led to them losing their other children to social services.

I guess it would come down to a 'public interest' issue (as in: not in the).

I agree there, definitely child neglect at the very least. But for some reason that hasn't been levelled at them either.

[Amo]

1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?
2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)
3. (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?
4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?
5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?
6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?
7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.
8. Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?
9. When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?
10. What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?
11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?
12. Who contacted the authorities?
13. Who took place in the searches?
14. Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?
15. Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?
16. What does 'we let her down' mean?
17. Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?
18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?
19. During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?
20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?
21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?
22. Did you call Sky News?
23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?
24. Did you ask for a priest?
25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?
26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?
27. What was your behaviour that night?
28. Did you manage to sleep?
29. Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?
30. What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?
31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?
32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?
33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?
34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?
35. What is your medical specialty?
36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?
37. Did you work every day?
38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?
39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?
40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?
41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?
42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?
43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?
48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?


All of which Kate McCann refused to answer.

The only question she did answer was this:

Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A. 'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'

[Stuart]

Who asked those questions? Most of them seem pretty dumb, others very leading. Was she interviewed under caution as a suspect before being asked them?

[Amo]

She was interviewed by the Portuguese police as an "arguido" ("person of interest") and had no legal obligation to answer the questions. Way I see it, if you've got nothing to hide then it doesn't matter what questions the police fire at you. They'll always be looking to catch you out, working under the assumption that if you're guilty you're going to crack, but if you're innocent then you've got nothing to worry about and should do the utmost to help the authorities with their investigation.

When you look at how the McCanns have constantly changed the details of that night, Kate McCann's all-round dodgy behaviour, the impossible three minute "window of opportunity", the cadaver traces in the apartment & rental car, the lack of forensic evidence to suppose a break-in, there's more cause to suspect the McCanns rather than some phantom kidnapper. People just don't want to believe that two parents could be capable of such an act and judge them by their own standards instead of studying the evidence of the case. In most cases of missing children, it is far more common to be done by a relative, family friend or acquaintance etc. rather than a random stranger

Had they been Wayne & Waynetta Slob off t'estate, no doubt the McCanns would've been done for child neglect and who knows what else. The McCanns are a middle-class family with powerful friends indeed. Not only above the law but protected by it. How else do you explain how two national health workers get off scot-free and pocket millions in the process for leaving their small children unattended whilst they were on the lash?

[Mike E]

If she truly wanted the best for her poor daughter, why wouldn't she answer any of those? Even the basic 'describe what you see here' question.

Q6 is what I want answering. Why was she 'abducted' but never reported 'missing'?

[Steve Moss]

1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)

3. (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?

4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?

5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.

8. Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?

9. When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?

10. What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

12. Who contacted the authorities?

13. Who took place in the searches?

14. Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?

15. Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

16. What does 'we let her down' mean?

17. Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?

18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?

19. During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?

20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?

21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?

22. Did you call Sky News?

23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?

24. Did you ask for a priest?

25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?

26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

27. What was your behaviour that night?

28. Did you manage to sleep?

29. Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?

30. What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?

31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?

33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?

35. What is your medical specialty?

36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?

37. Did you work every day?

38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?

39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?

40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?

41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?

42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?

All of which Kate McCann refused to answer.

The only question she did answer was this:

Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A. 'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'

I'm not very familiar with the McCann story, but I think a legitimately desperate parent with a missing child would answer any and every question posed to him or her by the police in an effort to get the child returned safely.

That the mother refused to answer the above questions is shocking.

What was the questions about the Maddie's DNA about?

[Paul]

Whilst I am of the belief there is more to that story than meets the eye in civilised society we have systems in place and if there isn't enough evidence to charge them then legally they have to be presumed to be not guilty.

I guess what you mean Tom but being charged with an offence does not imply guilt or innocence and the reverse, being charged, has no implications.

Though I have two police friends who will tell you the police generally only bring cases where they "know" the accused is guilty.

[Paul]

Still not keen on certain aspects since but if they are innocent it's not my place to stick my oar in (although the child neglect is blatant).

I agree it can appear there are unanswered questions in this case and as the years go by more people become uneasy about it.

Child neglect though is a serious accusation. As I recall, and I may well be wrong, the McCanns and friends where sat a short distance, and in view of (?), the apartment and checked the kids every 20-30 minutes.

Is this child neglect? If it is I think it would be relatively simple to find examples of educated, intelligent jndividuals who could be similarly charged.

Perhaps it only becomes child neglect when things go wrong?

[dave birch]

1. On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

2. Did you search inside the bedroom wardrobe? (she replied that she wouldn’t answer)

3. (shown 2 photographs of her bedroom wardrobe) Can you describe its contents?

4. Why had the curtain behind the sofa in front of the side window (whose photo was shown to her) been tampered with? Did somebody go behind that sofa?

5. How long did your search of the apartment take after you detected your daughter Madeleine’s disappearance?

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

7. Assuming Madeleine had been abducted, why did you leave the twins home alone to go to the ‘Tapas’ and raise the alarm? Because the supposed abductor could still be in the apartment.

8. Why didn’t you ask the twins, at that moment, what had happened to their sister or why didn’t you ask them later on?

9. When you raised the alarm at the ‘Tapas’ what exactly did you say and what were your exact words?

10. What happened after you raised the alarm in the ‘Tapas’?

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

12. Who contacted the authorities?

13. Who took place in the searches?

14. Did anyone outside of the group learn of Madeleine’s disappearance in those following minutes?

15. Did any neighbour offer you help after the disappearance?

16. What does 'we let her down' mean?

17. Did Jane tell you that night that she’d seen a man with a child?

18. How were the authorities contacted and which police force was alerted?

19. During the searches, with the police already there, where did you search for Maddie, how and in what way?

20. Why did the twins not wake up during that search or when they were taken upstairs?

21. Who did you phone after the occurrence?

22. Did you call Sky News?

23. Did you know the danger of calling the media, because it could influence the abductor?

24. Did you ask for a priest?

25. By what means did you divulge Madeleine’s features, by photographs or by any other means?

26. Is it true that during the searches you remained seated on Maddie’s bed without moving?

27. What was your behaviour that night?

28. Did you manage to sleep?

29. Before travelling to Portugal did you make any comment about a foreboding or a bad feeling?

30. What was Madeleine’s behaviour like?

31. Did Maddie suffer from any illness or take any medication?

32. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister?

33. What was Madeleine’s relationship like with her brother and sister, friends and school mates?

34. As for your professional life, in how many and which hospitals have you worked?

35. What is your medical specialty?

36. Have you ever done shift work in any emergency services or other services?

37. Did you work every day?

38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?

39. Are the twins difficult to get to sleep? Are they restless and does that cause you uneasiness?

40. Is it true that sometimes you despaired with your children’s behaviour and that left you feeling very uneasy?

41. Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?

42. In England, did you medicate your children? What type of medication?

43. In the case files you were SHOWN CANINE forensic testing films, where you can see them marking due to detection of the scent of human corpse and blood traces, also human, and only human, as well as all the comments of the technician in charge of them. After watching and after the marking of the scent of corpse in your bedroom beside the wardrobe and behind the sofa, pushed up against the sofa wall, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

44. When the sniffer dog also marked human blood behind the sofa, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

45. When the sniffer dog marked the scent of corpse coming from the vehicle you hired a month after the disappearance, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

46. When human blood was marked in the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

47. When confronted with the results of Maddie’s DNA, whose analysis was carried out in a British laboratory, collected from behind the sofa and the boot of the vehicle, did you say you couldn’t explain any more than you already had?

48. Did you have any responsibility or intervention in your daughter’s disappearance?

All of which Kate McCann refused to answer.

The only question she did answer was this:

Q. Are you aware that in not answering the questions you are jeopardising the investigation, which seeks to discover what happened to your daughter?

A. 'Yes, if that’s what the investigation thinks.'

Who was asking the questions?

Why did she refuse to answer? was it because of..

Who was "advising" her?

Why did they give this advice?

Was it because she could have been arrested and held in custody?

You should read the Lindy Chamberlain case. The local plod wanted her, got her and were eventually found wrong after she spent a few years behind bars. I must admit, at first I thought she had done it, but when the truth came out it ruined a few professional reputations after some (what turned out) very questionable "analysis" of blood in the car etc.

That's why, I'm skeptical about things these days.

[Tom]

I agree it can appear there are unanswered questions in this case and as the years go by more people become uneasy about it. Child neglect though is a serious accusation. As I recall, and I may well be wrong, the McCanns and friends where sat a short distance, and in view of (?), the apartment and checked the kids every 20-30 minutes. Is this child neglect? If it is I think it would be relatively simple to find examples of educated, intelligent jndividuals who could be similarly charged. Perhaps it only becomes child neglect when things go wrong?

Very fair post Paul

It just hit me when interviewed recently one of the children had cried to the mum and asked them not to leave them again and they did, just seems to me they neglected their children in order to have a good time

As you say 'neglect' may be a hard word legally though.

[Paul]

Very fair post Paul

It just hit me when interviewed recently one of the children had cried to the mum and asked them not to leave them again and they did, just seems to me they neglected their children in order to have a good time

As you say 'neglect' may be a hard word legally though.

Now that is a different scenario and certainly we would never have left our kids in that situation.

The reason I originally questioned it, and some may see us as irresponsible parents, is we did leave our children in similar situations as did many of our friends. It was a decision we made on occasions based on where we were etc. etc.

Looking back I don't feel the kids were neglected in anyway and perhaps we were just lucky not to have suffered as the McCanns have.

I have my doubts about the case but I don't think they should be taken to task on leaving the children. I agree to leave an upset child was wrong. Their action in relation to leaving the kids is no different to thousands if others. The problem is if the parent is perceived as other than middle class (don't know how else to phrase that) that parent will be pilloried while the middle class get the full Maddie treatment.

If that makes sense.

[FGS5635]

There is no doubt in my mind that if they were a pair of chavs from a council estate and not GP's, their other kids would have been placed in temp care whilst they were suspects in maddies disappearance

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Leaving very young children out of eye sight or hearshot is asking for trouble. My two were never left in those circumstances.

[ABBEY]

Mine neither . Can't believe anyone with a half brain cell would. .

[Audax]

New story here,

This story is saying the alleged perpetator won't be able to use "Stand your ground" (thank goodness) in Florida, I think these are the key facts to the story below:

WESLEY CHAPEL, Florida -- A retired police officer made his first court appearance Monday after allegedly shooting and killing a man in a Wesley Chapel, Fla., movie theater after an argument about the victim texting his young daughter.

Circuit Judge Lynn Tepper listens to Curtis Reeves, who appears via video conference, in Wesley Chapel, Fla. on Tuesday, Jan. 14, 2014. Tepper ordered Reeves, 71, held without bond on a charge of second-degree murder in the death of 43-year-old Chad Oulson on Monday. An argument over texting in a movie theater ended with Reeves, a retired police captain fatally shooting Oulson, authorities said. (AP Photo/The Tampa Bay Times, Brendan Fitterer)

Authorities say 71-year-old Curtis Reeves wanted Chad Oulson, 43, to stop texting in the theater. When the texting continued, authorities say he went outside, returned and shot at him. Oulson died at the hospital. His wife was also injured but her wounds were not life-threatening.

http://blog.al.com/wire/2014/01/police_no_stand_your_ground_fo.html

I believe Oulson was merely texting his daughter is what I gather.

Got that, I think the basic story line is this older man shot a man basically only for texting during a movie.

Outrageous.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/florida-movie-theater-shooter-attempt-stand-ground-defense-21630527?tab=9482930&section=1206853&playlist=1363340 <---- Video

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2014/0114/Florida-theater-shooting-Will-suspect-s-age-open-door-to-stand-your-ground-video <---- printed article but I take it the accused will not be able to get some sorry defence to this. He shot him, deserves at the minimum life.

[thenodrog]

Life isn't the same punishment at 71 as at 27 is it? How does that work in the strange mindsets of the anti-capital punsihment brigade I wonder?

[jim mk2]

It means he dies in gaol. To remind you here is the list of countries in the world which don't have "strange mindsets".

Mali or Angola ? Off you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country