[Archived] Rovers Takeover Thread

[iamarover]

Not sure where I should have put this, so I will dump it here, with so much talk about ££££££, achievement and ambition.

I think this link I found, while looking for something else puts into perspective what the current board and ex managers to some degree, have done to secure our future to date.

The Financial overview for the season 99/00 is absolutely astounding, The wage to turnover % was 171.6

Although we get snippets from some of members in the take over thread Etc., to see an overview from 93/94 - 05/06 just goes to show how well the club is being run. Since 93/94 to 05/06 employees also went from 108 to 223

If you notice you can go to the top of the page and search all clubs, listed as Ltd. or PLC. Alkso lots of other goodies like Pl prize money by Year.

Financial Overview

In chart terms that is the most jaw dropping since The Jam went straight to Number 1 with a double A side in the 80s. (prize of a pie for the name, popsters).

The season Jack died (2000 - he died before a ball was kicked), we were in the Dingle League..and lost £31 MILLION! Jesus. Well run prudent club?! That was one bum-clenching-bet-all-on-black play by the directors. If Matty Jansen hadnt notched that winner at PNE... well .... the Blue Square Tombola Christmas Fayre would have had its finest venue ever last year.

So can we deduce from that that we have had the princely sum of £100m sunk into the Halves since The Coming? And for sale at around half that....what a deal the old Jersey Bull made. £50m for those Dreams. But what a squeaker that Souness season was in hindsight. No wonder the Trust are occasionally checking on the Rovers gambling addiction.

Close. Mighty close to the abyss. But ey feck em. We usually do.

Jesus was obviously a Rover.

[Guest Kamy100]

Very interesting interview in today's Lancashire Telegraph with John Williams regarding any potential takeover. The general jist of it is that they will not sell to any old millionaire, they would want to safeguard the long term of the club and the traditions of the club.

[CAPT KAYOS]

In chart terms that is the most jaw dropping since The Jam went straight to Number 1 with a double A side in the 80s. (prize of a pie for the name, popsters).

Going Underground (Dreams of Children) - or should that be the other way around

[bubblerrovers]

This thread should be closed, has as much relevence a Rovers finish in the top 4 thread. We have just short of 20k fans, no global presence, There are about 20 teams outside the premiership that would be a better purchase if looking to buy a club. I suggest we all buy a euro lottery ticket, that would be the only way we'd get brought out.

[philipl]

This thread should be closed, has as much relevence a Rovers finish in the top 4 thread. We have just short of 20k fans, no global presence, There are about 20 teams outside the premiership that would be a better purchase if looking to buy a club. I suggest we all buy a euro lottery ticket, that would be the only way we'd get brought out.

My goodness you fell out of bed the wrong side this morning!

[iamarover]

Going Underground (Dreams of Children) - or should that be the other way around

A chicken balti is due to you sir. Maybe the balti pie man at Ewood is a friendly billionaire?

[philipl]

John Williams article in the LT

[PAFELL]

John Williams article in the LT

Interesting article, but the reality is that there is no such investor around.

Does anybody know any mega rich Rovers supporters?

But all the same, the club should wait in hope UNTIL such a person can be found.

[philipl]

It is worth remembering that most non-fan investments in the Premier League have been or are in the process of being abject disasters.

Chelsea, Villa and Fulham and (perhaps) Sunderland are the exception.

Pompey is now a big question mark if Pappa Gaydamak's Israeli problems persist whilst West Ham seems to be in rapid reverse.

The rest are disasters, particularly the ones now plying their trade outside the Premier League.

[T4E]

It is worth remembering that most non-fan investments in the Premier League have been or are in the process of being abject disasters.

Chelsea, Villa and Fulham and (perhaps) Sunderland are the exception.

Pompey is now a big question mark if Pappa Gaydamak's Israeli problems persist whilst West Ham seems to be in rapid reverse.

The rest are disasters, particularly the ones now plying their trade outside the Premier League.

Here we go again. I wouldn't mind a Premier League and Champions League winning style disaster coming this way. Although I'm sure you'll respond to this by telling us all yet again what dire straits United are in.

[Fife Rover]

The only way I would be at all happy to see Rovers sold again and thus ending the Jack Walker Trust connection would be if the buyer was every bit as much a die-hard Rovers fan as Jack himself (and many of us on here), and was also so loaded as to be prepared to put in around 1000 times as much as Jack did ('cos that's what it would need to keep us in the CL race on a permanent basis).

OK so it's never ever going to happen.......GOOD!!!!!!!! and long may it remain that way. I don't want to see my club that I have supported for 62 years through every kind of triumph and tribulation sold out to some F**** cowboy or company who only wants to increase their obscene wealth more and more at the expense of genuine competitive football. As both myself and others on various threads have said so many times before, I would rather see the whole dirty business that is presented to us these days as so-called "top class football" die the death it deserves and let us get back to decent honest competitive sport. Something that these money mad clowns cannot and never will understand.

[thenodrog]

We still use the word 'investors' when nothing could be further from the truth. Egotists / money launderers / bored billionaires being more accurate imo. 'Investors' by definition require returns. The only ones that stand a chance of showing a return are the ones who manage to 'buy' the club on paper with a mimimal capital input before taking out loans in the clubs name and therefore exposing the club to all manner of future danger. And none of the above are fans! I fear for the supporters of some of these clubs in the future.

[Tris]

The only way I would be at all happy to see Rovers sold again and thus ending the Jack Walker Trust connection would be if the buyer was every bit as much a die-hard Rovers fan as Jack himself (and many of us on here), and was also so loaded as to be prepared to put in around 1000 times as much as Jack did ('cos that's what it would need to keep us in the CL race on a permanent basis).

OK so it's never ever going to happen.......GOOD!!!!!!!! and long may it remain that way. I don't want to see my club that I have supported for 62 years through every kind of triumph and tribulation sold out to some F**** cowboy or company who only wants to increase their obscene wealth more and more at the expense of genuine competitive football.

What have you got against French cowboys and/or companies?

[LeChuck]

The only way I would be at all happy to see Rovers sold again and thus ending the Jack Walker Trust connection would be if the buyer was every bit as much a die-hard Rovers fan as Jack himself (and many of us on here), and was also so loaded as to be prepared to put in around 1000 times as much as Jack did ('cos that's what it would need to keep us in the CL race on a permanent basis).

So...you'd be against someone like Randy Lerner taking over the club?

[BRFC4EVA]

So...you'd be against someone like Randy Lerner taking over the club?

Yep spot on. We will not sell out!

[LeChuck]

We will, when someone comes along with the money. Someone similar to Lerner would be excellent for this club, Rovers fan or not.

[philipl]

Here we go again. I wouldn't mind a Premier League and Champions League winning style disaster coming this way. Although I'm sure you'll respond to this by telling us all yet again what dire straits United are in.

All things are relative but over £250m has already gone in finance and interest costs which should either have been spent on the team or stayed in the fans' pockets.

The real story behind the Berbatov transfer shows just how close to thye edge things are at Man U.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

All things are relative but over £250m has already gone in finance and interest costs which should either have been spent on the team or stayed in the fans' pockets.

The real story behind the Berbatov transfer shows just how close to thye edge things are at Man U.

So what is the real story about Berbatov?

[S15]

We don't know. Only the Malta Times has published the details.

Something to do with the fact Man Utd spending £30.75m on a 27 year old centre forward clearly proves that they are on the verge on financial breakdown. This coming a couple of months after they agreed to pay £32m to sign Tevez at the end of his loan deal.

Bleak times at Old Trafford, home of the English and European Champions.

Ps. This the same club who turned down £70m for there star player in the summer. Oh yeah, and announced plans to increase the capacity of their stadium.

[Iceman]

I think what philip is trying to say, is that a team like united could easily have agreed whatever fee for berbatov. Now it seems united are penny pinching themselves, u just have to look at the Robinho and chelsea deal, 4mil was the difference and they were reluctant to pay it. I think any business, and lets be honest football is a business has become somewhat chaotic when it comes to finances.

[Bazzanotsogreat]

We don't know. Only the Malta Times has published the details.

Something to do with the fact Man Utd spending £30.75m on a 27 year old centre forward clearly proves that they are on the verge on financial breakdown. This coming a couple of months after they agreed to pay £32m to sign Tevez at the end of his loan deal.

Bleak times at Old Trafford, home of the English and European Champions.

Ps. This the same club who turned down £70m for there star player in the summer. Oh yeah, and announced plans to increase the capacity of their stadium.

Very bleak- fergie has only has about 150 million to spend in the past three seasons. I bet he woud bite JW right arm off to trade places with Ince ( in terms of available cash)

United have just won the champions league which alone is worth between 40-60 million.

No matter how deluded or biased a poster appears to be- United will never fold because they will always fill there 75,000 + stadium and sell millions of replica shirts throughout the world. They are a global institution that attracts millions of glory-hunters.

Clubs like City & Leeds are different- they cannot call on this level of global appeal in troubled times.

[blue phil]

So what is the real story about Berbatov?

Come on , Philip - what is the real story then ?

[philipl]

Been in the papers:

1) RFW fancied Berb as his main signing but got told he had to stick to the £20m spending limit

2) RFW then seriously tapped-up Berb trying to make him such damaged goods that Spuds would be forced to sell him at or around £20m.

3) Spurs set the price initially at £28m which in reality meant the Mancs could get him at £24m

4) RFW intensified his dirty campaign

5) Levy called his bluff and went to the Premier League with a formal tapping-up complaint.

6) Tapping-up tribunal met, didn't reject the complaint and asked Spurs to prove beyond reasonable doubt.

7) Spurs knew they had a shed load of incriminating stuff and that if Berbatov stayed they would stick a fat new contract in front of him which would include buying his and his agents' evidence for the tapping-up hearing.

8) Spurs bumped the price up to over £30m to buy Berbatov and the dropping of the tap-up charge.

9) RFW gave the Glazers the hairdryer over the lack of transfer funds and the need to get Berbatov.

10) That lead to the last day drama when RFW repeated the trick he played on Boro over Forlan (and Rovers over Roy Keane many years earlier) and hijacked the player who was on his way to another club.

11) Not only were Man City and Spurs held hostage by these tactics but so effectively were David Gill and the Glazers.

12) City got their glamourpuss signing in Robinho avoiding intra-Mancunian warfare, Spurs got Cambell on loan for nothing plus £30.5m and Glazers and Gill caved in to RFW.

Now Gill is saying no more transfers this year apart from formalising Tevez but they are shelling out £5m annually there anyway so they will try to rebrand the existing payments as purchase installments rather than loan fees. Basically, RFW has burnt this year and half next year's transfer budget.

I will repeat that RFW, MU and the Glazers have been incredibly lucky in that RFW has not bought any duds for at least three seasons now and everything has come together on the pitch.

BUT

£250m so far has gone in interest payments instead of into the playing side and for the sake of the rest of football it is a huge relief that the Mancs have been pushing £80m each year at the banks instead of additional transfer fees and wages for RFW to spend.

Just imagine if Man U's transfer spends last year and this were £100m each year which they would have been as a PLC instead of £30m under the Glazers.

That is the opportunity cost of the Glazers.

Now the real cost of the Glazers is approaching as:

1) They need to find £250m cash by spring 2010 or lose ownership control to the banks (having now failed with three attempts at re-financing and the credit squeeze tightening), and

2) Platini is designing the debt rules for UEFA registration deliberately to exclude certain English Premier League clubs and his pal Arsene has made sure Arsenal is not one of them.

[philipl]

David Gill interview on the BBC. He is cagey about answering what happened about the Berbatov tap-up and the choreography of last Monday- he is quite fortunate that the other club wanting to sign the player (and the one that actually had an offer accepted unlike Man U) was also in Manchester. No attempt to say that Ronaldo is not for sale either.

In another interview he said that Berbatov "was honour-bound" to go to Man U and would not go to City. Whatever that means.

[Plastic Head]

Philip see my earlier post on 3 Sep...the only way out for Man U and the Glazers is a buy out by someone or something that is willing to pay off the banks...it would be funny if no-one came forward but can't see it myself.