[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[tony gale's mic]

Apparently Arsenal are supposed to be interested in him according to todays early kickoff commentary. Really? As I have said a lot previously I don't think anyone will offer what we want for him - apart from possibly City if they get desperate. Best case scenario is to try and kick off an auction.

In terms of getting him sold we need him to play two or three games and score a couple of goals. Suddenly it puts a whole different complexion on it. However that isn't going to happen. On top of that he is angling for a move which seriously weakens our bargaining position.

Really rubbish situation to be in. Must be a nightmare for Sam's transfer planning..... I can see this dragging out all summer.

The reduced transfer fee is a pain - and one of the many reasons why I really wanted him to be sold in January - but we should still get at least £10m+ for him with all the interested suitors, and getting that much money whilst not losing a major player in the side that kept us up isn't that bad a situation to be in.

[Guest benmaxwell]

What a lot of rubbish! This interview on 970 AM WAS THE ONLY interview in the last time and it was on tuesday!

http://www.lanacion.com.py/noticias-245531-2009-05-13.htm

Must've been a replay the other day then because a friend of mine from the BBC told me about it... Never mind...

[Tom]

What confused me is why does Crocky believes he deserves this move to an ambitious club?

Keith Andrews has been better this season should he demand a move to Madrid?

[gumboots]

What confused me is why does Crocky believes he deserves this move to an ambitious club?

Keith Andrews has been better this season should he demand a move to Madrid?

Perhaps he should then we can start a bidding war for him too!!

[broadsword]

"Blackburn have averaged more goals per game without Roque Santa Cruz (1.19) than with him (1.05) this season."

- http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/blackburn-rovers/2009/05/15/chelsea-v-blackburn-premier-league-preview-predictions-stats-and-team-news-115875-21361938/[/b][/b]

There's not really much practical difference between 1.19 and 1.05 goals per game. Not in my view anyway. 5 goals over the course of a season.

[gumboots]

There's not really much practical difference between 1.19 and 1.05 goals per game. Not in my view anyway. 5 goals over the course of a season.

Depends if they are 5 make a difference goals or five consolation goals in a thumping. 5 make a difference goals would be a lot.

[broadsword]

The point is, it's not a large enough difference to enable you to say that it was down to santa cruz. There's too many other factors.

[thenodrog]

Well...had we done that we would've pretty much have been in the same position now since he's contributed next to nothing since. With upwards of £15m in the bank.

We could have accepted the money, not loaned out Derbyshire, got a central midfielder in with some of the money (as thats where needs were even more pressing) and then either got a decent striker then or left it aside. I agree with the principle of replacing and selling though, but I think looking at how things have panned out we wouldnt have gone down had we sold RSC.

Hindsight is easy. Thing is that by the time City matched our valuation it was too late to get anybody decent in. Derbyshire is not good enough to be a prem striker.

[John]

Hindsight is easy. Thing is that by the time City matched our valuation it was too late to get anybody decent in. Derbyshire is not good enough to be a prem striker.

Very true, too simplistic to say Sam could have bought a new midfielder in etc. January is a nightmare for bringing players in.

[LeChuck]

Selling Roque and not bringing in anyone would have sent out completely the wrong message to the fans, and possibly more importantly the players. In the position we were it would have looked like we were preparing for relegation.

We have survived so on keeping Roque was the right thing to do. I can't imagine there would have been as much fight and spirit in the players if we had been sending out negative signals in January.

[Hughesy]

I agree with LeChucks comments - it would of sent this board onto over-drive with depression too.

Wether we sell for £10m, £15m or £20m, its all going to be a very healthy profit on him for 1 good season.

[Eddie]

Hindsight is easy. Thing is that by the time City matched our valuation it was too late to get anybody decent in. Derbyshire is not good enough to be a prem striker.

Not hindsight for all of us...

[RevidgeBlue]

Selling Roque and not bringing in anyone would have sent out completely the wrong message to the fans, and possibly more importantly the players. In the position we were it would have looked like we were preparing for relegation.

We have survived so on keeping Roque was the right thing to do. I can't imagine there would have been as much fight and spirit in the players if we had been sending out negative signals in January.

Excellent post.

Keeping him in January and resisting a large offer demonstrated real resolve and ambition on the part of the Club.

The fact he subsequently picked up a long term injury/started swinging the lead a bit (delete as appropriate) was just unlucky.

[philipl]

Excellent post.

Keeping him in January and resisting a large offer demonstrated real resolve and ambition on the part of the Club.

The fact he subsequently picked up a long term injury/started swinging the lead a bit (delete as appropriate) was just unlucky.

Agreed.

The players who moved between 28 Jan and 2 Feb who I wished Rovers had signed are

Nobody.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

The truth is that city thought that they could get RSC on the cheap because Rovers past history of not saying no. Theno is right in the fact that City only started to discuss money seriously too late in the day for Rovers being able to replace RSC. If it is anybody's fault for RSC not moving it was Citys. They knew the valuation and conditions of the sale from day 1 but did not try meeting anything close until very late in the day.

[T4E]

The point is, it's not a large enough difference to enable you to say that it was down to santa cruz. There's too many other factors.

Correct.

Stats like that are crap.

[Tom]

I'm a bit worried about Roque somebody should go round and check on him, it's been a good couple of days since he's done an interview stating his desire to play for a 'bigger' club.

[Dunnfc]

Heard a rumour today that RSC the judas has actually agreed a gentlemans handshake on an 18mill move to City?

Comes from a message of a City board btw and reported by two different people.

[gumboots]

Heard a rumour today that RSC the judas has actually agreed a gentlemans handshake on an 18mill move to City?

Comes from a message of a City board btw and reported by two different people.

Doesn't matter what he agrees unless we agree it too. I know contracts mean nothing is a frequently used phrase but they do mean you can't just go agreeing to play for whoever you want while another team holds your contract. Obviously if they cough up and we like the way it's paid etc then fine but otherwise he can shake as many hands as he likes but he's going nowhere

[67splitscreen]

Heard a rumour today that RSC the judas has actually agreed a gentlemans handshake on an 18mill move to City?

Comes from a message of a City board btw and reported by two different people.

Not sure what you have said.

Should that read.

Came as a message from a City board member as in message board, or Man City's board room.

[Stuart]

Heard a rumour today that RSC the judas has actually agreed a gentlemans handshake on an 18mill move to City?

Comes from a message of a City board btw and reported by two different people.

Sounds a bit like Nobaldo with Madrid.

Rocky will leave when it suits Rovers and not until.

[Hughesy]

Dunnfc where you hear this? On a website or from someone you know??

Nicko and news on this??

[mjs]

Rocky will leave when it suits Rovers and not until.

Which is sooner the better.

[kandi]

Which is sooner the better.

Agreed!

[Dunnfc]

Dunnfc where you hear this? On a website or from someone you know??

Nicko and news on this??

Two different people reported it on the bluemoon messageboard, a few days ago.

Apparently one of the guys reporting it is normally spot on with what he says.