[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[Alan75]

Just wondering, with regard the press release and video.

Did anyone get a photo of RSC after the WBA game, or maybe remember from the awards evening,(lenght of his hair) last time I saw it it was short, in the video his hair is hanging out from under his hat on the back of his neck.

Just trying to confirm it is dated as it says, and not the magic of the media again.

LINK ANNIE had a chat with him

[kandi]

Just wondering, with regard the press release and video.

Did anyone get a photo of RSC after the WBA game, or maybe remember from the awards evening,(lenght of his hair) last time I saw it it was short, in the video his hair is hanging out from under his hat on the back of his neck.

Just trying to confirm it is dated as it says, and not the magic of the media again.

This interview is from yesterday,on the airport when he was just arrived..here`s another:

http://www.abctv.com.py/video.php?vid=4277

[kandi]

And another:

http://www.teledeportes.com.py/notas/2009/.../s-00007794.htm

Are you still cynical about it?

[67splitscreen]

And another:

http://www.teledeportes.com.py/notas/2009/.../s-00007794.htm

Are you still cynical about it?

No, but given all the previous " lost in translation" quotes, I was just curious.

[Guest Kamy100]

This morning's Lancashire Telegraph reports that Sam is desperate to get Roque's situation sorted as until then his transfer plans are in limbo. They also report that the £20 million pound release clause comes to an end in July so then Roque's future will be entirely in Rovers hands.

[American]

Sam won't play players unless there fit, something I'm grateful for Sam is considering the best option for the team Ince was only thinking about himself.

Didn't Ince say that he wanted to sit RSC, but that Williams wouldn't let him? One of the other good things, though, is that I doubt Sam will do something just because Williams tells (cue overture) him to - he's in a position to call the shots himself without being second guessed.

[John]

This morning's Lancashire Telegraph reports that Sam is desperate to get Roque's situation sorted as until then his transfer plans are in limbo. They also report that the £20 million pound release clause comes to an end in July so then Roque's future will be entirely in Rovers hands.

Backs up what Nicko has been saying for a few weeks now.

Presumably then, apart from the Givet deal, no money for Sam to spend until he can get his hands on some of the potential RSC money? Or from other sales (Derbyshire, Zurab etc).

[Hughesy]

They also report that the £20 million pound release clause comes to an end in July so then Roque's future will be entirely in Rovers hands.

Very clever by Rovers. Kind of forces clubs to make a move before then if they want to hit his trigger. Personally I think we should just offer him around now and see whats on offer.

Of the Interested Clubs, we should look at getting at least £8-10m cash out of them + maybe a player in part ex.

Meanwhile Roque is staying quiet until his future is decided following all the 'mis-quotes'

[BiggusLaddus]

Very clever by Rovers. Kind of forces clubs to make a move before then if they want to hit his trigger.

And stops us being forced to sell on 31st August with no one else in place.

[Majiball]

Didn't Ince say that he wanted to sit RSC, but that Williams wouldn't let him? One of the other good things, though, is that I doubt Sam will do something just because Williams tells (cue overture) him to - he's in a position to call the shots himself without being second guessed.

I don't for one second believe that, after chatting to JW, he doesn't interfere, he places faith in his managers and lets them get on with it.

Ince as always blaming all in-sundry except himself, its one of the main reasons I don't see him suceeding in top flight football at present.

[Hughesy]

Interesting bit taken from the article from LET

"But while he would get a proportion of any Santa Cruz transfer fee, a chunk of it would be demanded by the bank to pay off some debts, meaning Allardyce might have to shift his plans for the money he had set aside elsewhere.

Ideally, a part exchange deal for Santa Cruz would be the best scenario for Rovers, giving them some money to satisfy the bank while providing them with a ready-made replacement."

Darren Bent!!

[BlueWhiteDynamite]

the article seems as though it was written by the rovers board,

e.g

contract clause end

wages too high to sign player

part exchange

no transfers other than Givet

[robwood]

like BFS's said, his 'quotes' have happened too many times so i think we should get rid of him for as much money as poss. let him be another Bently, thinking he's too good for us.

On the flip side, he is an amazing player when fit (similiar to Berbatov) so it wouldn't be awful if he got 'stuck' here.

Benni said in an interview a while ago, warning players that the 'grass isnt always greener on the other side' (or to some effect) so (hopefully) no one will bid for him and he'll listen to Benni (and see how ###### DB's doing now!).

[frosty]

http://goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/05/3...dev-replacement

Says Lazio, Betis, At.Madrid, Roma and Fiorentina want Santa Cruz. It isn't a very reliable website though, but there probably is interest from abroad.

[AussieinUk]

http://goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2009/05/3...dev-replacement

Says Lazio, Betis, At.Madrid, Roma and Fiorentina want Santa Cruz. It isn't a very reliable website though, but there probably is interest from abroad.

Maybe I am reading this article in the Times incorrectly, but if the release clause comes into effect in June (see below), why then would the clause come to an end two months later in July? Doesn't make sense really..

"...and are also expected to trigger the £17 million release clause in the contract of Roque Santa Cruz, of Blackburn Rovers. City have had five offers rejected for the Paraguay striker in 12 months, but his release clause comes into effect in June."

The Times

[philipl]

The Rovers structured the timing of the release clause to suit the club. Closing it at end July means the club has time to be active in the transfer market durng August if it gets triggered.

The Bellamy release clause would not have been triggered if Cisse had broken his leg at the Liverpool training ground ten days later- it would have expired!

Any thought of selling RSC at below trigger is undoubtedly one for the deep freeze until the third week of July at the very earliest. We saw in January how hanging tough eventually pulled out offers in the £20m range right at the end of the window so the club (and RSC with his chunk coming out of fees over £15m) have every encouragement based on actual experience to hang very tough on RSC's price for at least the next six weeks.

The computer games freaks on this MB will freak out but they will just have to freak.

The other reason for not selling is that almost certainly at most only 50% of any headline figure transfer for RSC can possibly be recyclable for transfer fees.

1) 20% disappears in transaction costs

2) RSC has his special take from the sum as well

3) Wages are inflating still so some of the transfer income will be held back for wages

4) There is the story that the bank would demand an overdraft reduction- I don't know how true it is but it is believable

OK if the £17m, £18m or £20m trigger is triggered when it applies (whichever/whenever it is), RSC will be gone. Otherwise it makes no sense to sell.

[Hughesy]

The other reason for not selling is that almost certainly at most only 50% of any headline figure transfer for RSC can possibly be recyclable for transfer fees.

1) 20% disappears in transaction costs

2) RSC has his special take from the sum as well

If we sell for £20m - what are the 20% (£4m) transaction costs?

[Majiball]

If we sell for £20m - what are the 20% (£4m) transaction costs?

VAT???? I have no idea but to lose 20% straight away is pretty harsh.

[philipl]

So agents live on fresh air do they?

[Majiball]

They should!!!!

20% just for agents, that seems like a lot of money, how many agents does it take to change a light bulb?????

[67splitscreen]

So after transfer costs and RSC cut, at 20m we would nett around 11m, then the bank want there slice, we may end out with around 8m, then there's the trustees.

Sounds to me like 5-8m at most.

Keep hold of him, until we hold all the aces. Only problem is Sam's targets may have flown the nest by then.

[Hughesy]

So agents live on fresh air do they?

Whats the £5m for then? Surely Roque & the agents deal will be included in that £5m bonus he gets if we sell for £20m???

Iv never heard of a deal where we sell a player for £20m, but £9m goes to the player & his agent.....

[Kelbo]

So after transfer costs and RSC cut, at 20m we would nett around 11m, then the bank want there slice, we may end out with around 8m, then there's the trustees.

Sounds to me like 5-8m at most.

Keep hold of him, until we hold all the aces. Only problem is Sam's targets may have flown the nest by then.

Realistically then, a swap deal may be better for the team building if the right players come up in the swap!!

[tcj_jones]

I just hope that City don't go looking elsewhere because, without their interest, his value will plummet and we will, most likely, be stuck with a player who desperately wants out and that's just no way to be building a team for the future.

Anything over £12m would be good business all round IMO after his injury plagued season, though I doubt Sam would get more than £5m of that to spend on transfer fees.

[67splitscreen]

O/T slightly, is the balance on Bentarse not due in whole if he is transfered.

Has that been earmarked for the bank as well?.