[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[gumboots]

Not sure if it's deliberate, but Warnock is doing his best to talk Roque up.....

Or is he trying to work himself a move too if we sell santa cruz?

[Guest benmaxwell]

Either that or it is a shot across Sam's bow, reminding him that he needs to replace quality with quality, if that quality leaves. If the quality is not brought in, further quality will want to leave the club ala Warnock.

Quality.

[T4E]

Or is he trying to work himself a move too if we sell santa cruz?

Thats the obvious viewpoint, I was just trying to put a positive spin on it.

[gumboots]

Thats the obvious viewpoint, I was just trying to put a positive spin on it.

You're not allowed to be positive - you're a Rovers fan.

[Hughesy]

£7m+ and he can go....... Oh no wait...Johnson £18m - we will have £12m minimum for Stevie then please!!

[Jackson]

£7m+ and he can go....... Oh no wait...Johnson £18m - we will have £12m minimum for Stevie then please!!

Agreed. It's looking like the new Rover's Policy: 10 out, 1 in!

[super_arran]

How in that article is Warnock "trying to work himself a move too "?

It's just Warnock speaking the truth because lets face it, Roque is going to be hard to replace.

[Hughesy]

We have that much deadwood - it needs to be our policy.

So far our summer business is looking very promising.

[unluckymorton]

It's a good job the people running our club are businessmen, not fans. We can't simply get rid at whatever fee is bid, because we have to pay the bank some, his agent some and replace him. If you accept a low fee then who are you going to be able to buy to replace him. Get real. The club will decide if he goes for whatever fee they can get or whether it's simply not enough. they'll do it on a business and footballing decision and not think with their hearts but their heads and their calculators

Gumboots; When I say get what we can, I mean as much as we can. In no way do I mean a low fee.

He obviously has no intention of playing for us ever again so get the best deal we can and ship him out.

I am deeply involved in the financial side of a business myself and under stand that it must make sense financially, I wouldn't dream of just letting him go, just like no Rovers fan on the planet would let him go on the cheap.

[gumboots]

Gumboots; When I say get what we can, I mean as much as we can. In no way do I mean a low fee.

He obviously has no intention of playing for us ever again so get the best deal we can and ship him out.

I am deeply involved in the financial side of a business myself and under stand that it must make sense financially, I wouldn't dream of just letting him go, just like no Rovers fan on the planet would let him go on the cheap.

There are plenty saying just get rid; take whatever etc. We're all fed up with the not playing and then talking to press abroad about how he wants to move but some people's attitude is just silly. Nobody wants a player who is seen as disrespecting their club playing for them but there would appear to be those thinking that because of his apparent disrespect we should take less for him than we could get in order to get a quick sale. Why should we? Obviously there comes a point where you have to decide that this is the best deal you are going to get so are you going for it? But until then you have to hold your nerve and get the best deal for the club.

[waggy]

rsc wants out,lets agree a price and bring in new players

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[modes98]

That's football Waggy. If you don't like it go and support Real Madrid, they get things done overnight!

[super_arran]

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We set a price. It was matched at the last minute but it was too late to bring anyone new in.

So it made more sense to keep Roque than to sell him (take in mind that no-one knew he would be out injured for the remainder of the season)

[Kelbo]

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Waggy,

Much as you wont like to hear this, it dragged on because we have a manager who understands the psychology of the game, star player going when at the foot of the table and no replacement!! what message would that have sent out to the supporters and players alike??

No Sam was able to recognise the psychology and at the end of the day, despite Santa Cruz not playing, we became safe from relegation and job done.

I wonder how much it would have affected morale if Santa would have gone at the time? we shall never know, what I do know is that unlike other managers, when Sam said 'he will not go without a replacement or when the clause in his contract was activated', he wasnt going!! end of story, job done and we are still a premiership outfit

[thenodrog]

Waggy,

Much as you wont like to hear this, it dragged on because we have a manager who understands the psychology of the game, star player going when at the foot of the table and no replacement!! what message would that have sent out to the supporters and players alike??

No Sam was able to recognise the psychology and at the end of the day, despite Santa Cruz not playing, we became safe from relegation and job done.

I wonder how much it would have affected morale if Santa would have gone at the time? we shall never know, what I do know is that unlike other managers, when Sam said 'he will not go without a replacement or when the clause in his contract was activated', he wasnt going!! end of story, job done and we are still a premiership outfit

Indeed. Hughes was the same in fairness.

[dirty cons]

I'm with Waggy on this one. We should have taken the 20m from city in january signed Janko as his replacement for 6/7m then we would still have around 10m to spend this summer. Now it looks like we will be lucky to get 15m for him and big sam will be given about half of that to sign somebody with.

[super_arran]

I'm with Waggy on this one. We should have taken the 20m from city in january signed Janko as his replacement for 6/7m then we would still have around 10m to spend this summer. Now it looks like we will be lucky to get 15m for him and big sam will be given about half of that to sign somebody with.

there wasn't enough time to sign janko as city had put the bid in last minute.

[gumboots]

there wasn't enough time to sign janko as city had put the bid in last minute.

and they didn't want to pay upfront. and according to some reports they did not bid that amount anyway. It's like groundhog day round here on this topic.

[thenodrog]

I'm with Waggy on this one. We should have taken the 20m from city in january signed Janko as his replacement for 6/7m then we would still have around 10m to spend this summer. Now it looks like we will be lucky to get 15m for him and big sam will be given about half of that to sign somebody with.

Hindsight is easy cons. SA made the right decision at the time and thats that. He invited clubs to meet the asking price early doors or forget it. Nobody came in so that was that! For the benefit of those who share your goldfish strength memory just how would we have spent that money when the City offer for RSC did not come in until the last day or so of the transfer window? I also understand that City wanted to pay over the next 3 years so how would that have squared with our bankers about us needing funds to sign another player at a time when the banking industry was quaking in it's boots?

You need to think things through more before you post.

Apologies to gumboots and arran who have just covered the same ground.

btw cons... take some advice and don't agree with waggy on anything without long consideration.

[dirty cons]

What do you mean last minute they had 3 bid's rejected one of which i believe was 18m with about a week to go in Jan. More than enough time to sign Janko/another but instead we insisted on a stupid amount of money for a player that in the end contributed nothing towards our staying in the top flight. I for one will be delighted when this overrated tossbag leaves

[gumboots]

What do you mean last minute they had 3 bid's rejected one of which i believe was 18m with about a week to go in Jan. More than enough time to sign Janko/another but instead we insisted on a stupid amount of money for a player that in the end contributed nothing towards our staying in the top flight. I for one will be delighted when this overrated tossbag leaves

and your source is...?

[thenodrog]

What do you mean last minute they had 3 bid's rejected one of which i believe was 18m with about a week to go in Jan. More than enough time to sign Janko/another but instead we insisted on a stupid amount of money for a player that in the end contributed nothing towards our staying in the top flight. I for one will be delighted when this overrated tossbag leaves

What was the stipulated asking price in Jan?

[dirty cons]

25million i think. crazy asking for that sort of money for a guy who had scored about 3 goals. We sold Duff for 17m and he was better than santa Cruz is.

[philipl]

There is only a price set between 1 June and 31 July and according to RSC/ The Sun, it is "over £20m".

I am waiting to see if the Mancs somehow dodge paying their interest charges again If they do, RSC could well get swept away in the merry-go-round they create. Otherwise he will be playing for Rovers in 2009/10.

Roque and De Santos up front is a fearsome prospect - truly exciting times to be a Rovers supporter.

[Amo]

I can understand, in hindsight, that this whole saga would be over now and we could look to the future. However, Man.City did bid towards the end of the window with piddly instalments. The club stuck to their guns and refused to take anything less than their original valuation. Let's also consider the morale within the camp. Cashing in our star striker without signing a replacement would indicate that the club was preparing for relegation.