[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[Amo]

if there is about £20m to spend, (which there should be easily)

Really? £2.5m for Derbs, £15m+ for Roque. Then take away agent fees, and money put towards overheads and I don't think we have £20m somehow...

[john-rover]

i find it hard to believe, even at blackburn, that if we didnt sell we would have NO money to spend! so there should be more than 20m but knowing the trustees they will pocket it all the thieving barstewards

[Amo]

i find it hard to believe, even at blackburn, that if we didnt sell we would have NO money to spend! so there should be more than 20m but knowing the trustees they will pocket it all the thieving barstewards

We sold Damien Duff for £17m, and we hardly spent much of that. Apparently we only paid about £3m+ for Barry Ferguson at the time, and the rest we owed was annulled when he returned to Ibrox.

I'd be surprised if we spent over £12m this summer.

[john-rover]

We sold Damien Duff for £17m, and we hardly spent much of that. Apparently we only paid about £3m+ for Barry Ferguson at the time, and the rest we owed was annulled when he returned to Ibrox.

I'd be surprised if we spent over £12m this summer.

we spent over 15m that summer!!

[Amo]

we spent over 15m that summer!!

I don't remember us spending all that much, when you consider the season before we qualified for the Uefa Cup. We had already signed Amoruso for £4m, and I'm sure there was kitty leftover BEFORE the Duff dividend.

[gumboots]

We sold Damien Duff for £17m, and we hardly spent much of that. Apparently we only paid about £3m+ for Barry Ferguson at the time, and the rest we owed was annulled when he returned to Ibrox.

I'd be surprised if we spent over £12m this summer.

So if we only realistically have about 12 million as most suspect why blow a penny of ti on players like rothen and Davies? Makes no sense in any way to me.

[Amo]

So if we only realistically have about 12 million as most suspect why blow a penny of ti on players like rothen and Davies? Makes no sense in any way to me.

I'd accept £4m for the both of them. Tops. Then we have £8m to play with. Not that Davies would be my target up front, but then I'm not employed by BRFC.

[RibbleValleyRover]

I'd accept £4m for the both of them. Tops. Then we have £8m to play with. Not that Davies would be my target up front, but then I'm not employed by BRFC.

We also don't know if the money for Givet was spent on the basis that Roque would be sold. For all we know the board may take the Givet money out of the money made from selling Roque.

So if you say we have £12 million to spend, Givet costs £3.5 million? Rothen would cost in the region of £3 million and Davies if he comes in £5 million? It doesn't leave much if anything left and it won't in any shape or form have fixed the long term problems with our team.

In fact its looking like our team will be a weaker one than last season, just like the season before when we sold our best player and never replaced him.

[Amo]

We also don't know if the money for Givet was spent on the basis that Roque would be sold. For all we know the board may take the Givet money out of the money made from selling Roque.

Hmm, I doubt that. The Givet deal was all but tied up before Roque's move to City. And wasn't there £3m+ left aside in case we wanted Villanueva? Surely that would cover the deal, if anything.

So if you say we have £12 million to spend, Givet costs £3.5 million? Rothen would cost in the region of £3 million and Davies if he comes in £5 million? It doesn't leave much if anything left and it won't in any shape or form have fixed the long term problems with our team.

In fact its looking like our team will be a weaker one than last season, just like the season before when we sold our best player and never replaced him.

IF we have around £12m, then I don't think those deals represent value for money and I would be rather deflated looking into the new season. Like I said, I think they're both worth about £2m each based on their age and resale value for a club of our size.

[gumboots]

We also don't know if the money for Givet was spent on the basis that Roque would be sold. For all we know the board may take the Givet money out of the money made from selling Roque.

So if you say we have £12 million to spend, Givet costs £3.5 million? Rothen would cost in the region of £3 million and Davies if he comes in £5 million? It doesn't leave much if anything left and it won't in any shape or form have fixed the long term problems with our team.

In fact its looking like our team will be a weaker one than last season, just like the season before when we sold our best player and never replaced him.

Oh, it definitely will be if this is the players we are looking at signing. Rothen is poor, very poor. Davies is ... well, fill it in yourself and add on "expensive"

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

If we don't sort out the midfield it won't matter who's playing up front. You could have Pele and Cruyff up there and they'd struggle!

[Bobby G]

I do think we will see Rothen and one more midfielder join, as I think the South African was signed to play a role this season too.

[neekoy]

Oh, it definitely will be if this is the players we are looking at signing. Rothen is poor, very poor. Davies is ... well, fill it in yourself and add on "expensive"

If he had stayed at Monaco he would be a French regular, my question is where is he going to play?

[gumboots]

If he had stayed at Monaco he would be a French regular, my question is where is he going to play?

What makes you say that? You seen him play recently? I know the French are not what they were but they are not that desperate.

[neekoy]

What makes you say that? You seen him play recently? I know the French are not what they were but they are not that desperate.

I think if he had stayed at Monaco he would have not lost his form and would have remained the classy player he was. As with Van Der Meyde, players don't permenantly lose that sort of class, they just need a Manager to find it again for them

[gumboots]

I think if he had stayed at Monaco he would have not lost his form and would have remained the classy player he was. As with Van Der Meyde, players don't permenantly lose that sort of class, they just need a Manager to find it again for them

His team finished nearly 20 points above Monaco though so surely if he could still play he'd have had as much chance if not more to show his quality in the better team? And isn't van der Meyde's problem related to what he consumes and not poor management?

[47er]

Not my fault our manager is a pillock.

There you've said it at last! No more pretending you're impartial. That "pillock" saved our club by the way.

[neekoy]

His team finished nearly 20 points above Monaco though so surely if he could still play he'd have had as much chance if not more to show his quality in the better team? And isn't van der Meyde's problem related to what he consumes and not poor management?

Eh? Better then the Monaco team he played for in 2004? It is purely hypothetical, by your reasoning, Bellamy should have been better at Liverpool, Bentley should have better at Arsenal and Berbatov should have been better at United. The list goes on. His form suffered when he left Monaco, that is obvious.

Rothen on his day was a class act, if he was 34 or 35 now then I would be rueing this decision by the club, but they guy is only 31 and still has opportunity under the right manager to revive that kind of ability. I wouldn't sign him for big money but his pedigree in the past is up there with any signing we have made since promotion.

As far as Van Der Meyde goes, who knows? Maybe it is attitude? It certainly isn't ability, a guy that was identified as one of the best Dutch talents of the last decade.

There have been plenty of other signings we have made with "bad attitudes" that have come good under the right management structure.

[gumboots]

Eh? Better then the Monaco team he played for in 2004? It is purely hypothetical, by your reasoning, Bellamy should have been better at Liverpool, Bentley should have better at Arsenal and Berbatov should have been better at United. The list goes on. His form suffered when he left Monaco, that is obvious.

Rothen on his day was a class act, if he was 34 or 35 now then I would be rueing this decision by the club, but they guy is only 31 and still has opportunity under the right manager to revive that kind of ability. I wouldn't sign him for big money but his pedigree in the past is up there with any signing we have made since promotion.

As far as Van Der Meyde goes, who knows? Maybe it is attitude? It certainly isn't ability, a guy that was identified as one of the best Dutch talents of the last decade.

There have been plenty of other signings we have made with "bad attitudes" that have come good under the right management structure.

No they are not better than the team he played in previously but the fact remains that in a decent tea he ought to have done better. It's not like Bellamy going to Liverpool. That team is set up to suit its established players in Gerrard and so on. Rothen did not go to a team with a superstar, but to a team where he should have been able to make a difference if he still had the will and desire. He did not. and as i said Van der Meyde is reputed to enjoy more than the average consumption of alcoholic bevrages. Whether that's true or not, i don't know but if it is then it at least partly explaing why he's no good any more.

[neekoy]

No they are not better than the team he played in previously but the fact remains that in a decent tea he ought to have done better. It's not like Bellamy going to Liverpool. That team is set up to suit its established players in Gerrard and so on. Rothen did not go to a team with a superstar, but to a team where he should have been able to make a difference if he still had the will and desire. He did not. and as i said Van der Meyde is reputed to enjoy more than the average consumption of alcoholic bevrages. Whether that's true or not, i don't know but if it is then it at least partly explaing why he's no good any more.

Sorry mate, I dont really understand where you are going with this? The PSG team was/is tripe and is still only just climbing the ladder now. Bellamy was but one example, maybe PSG are set up to cater for Kezman and Luyindula? Thee point is, players fail at clubs for whatever reasons, difference is we know we aren't getting a player who was actually never really that good and trying to make him better.

Let's face facts. He is capable of quality, yes? If under the right management he lifted his game he would be a good purchase for low money, yes?

I don't know why you are trying to argue the point of two players who have shown genuine ability in the past and maybe, just maybe, could show it again.

[thenodrog]

Absolutely gutted that Santa is going.

I know we have lost brilliant players in the past but it doesn't make it any easier when we lose another one.

Surely even you cannot be suprised? The money after his problems last season is a good deal. After all these years supporting BRFC have you still not grasped the fact that we are a selling club?

We need to do a RSC / Bentley / Duff every 12 months.... and I'd be happy to see that as long as the next is already walking through the doors. And Davies for all his ability is too old to do anything but lose money on.

There's no doubting Roque was a class act for us on the pitch, and he will be missed. However, you can't help but feel we got lucky with his first season here. His track record at Bayern for sitting on the treatment table, suggests more of the same next season had he managed to stay.

Indeed. One good season with the next two simply seeing out his contract is not a bad tactic for making easy money for a very talented player from another continent who has no real sentiment for his adopted homes. If his knees really are dodgy it makes perfect business sense.

[Claytons Left Boot]

Fingers (and everything else) crossed that this goes through without any hitches, especially the medical. £17m is an absolute Godsend for us for a perennial crock and a player that basically wanted away as soon as his head was turned. Add to this figure the £3m we'll get for Derbs and it's like Christmas come early.

[Ricky]

Has he gone yet??

[only2garners]

Has he gone yet??

BBC just reporting that he's having a medical right now.

[Amo]

BBC just reporting that he's having a medical right now.

Hopefully that just involves sitting on the table and holding a thermometer under his tongue. Otherwise we're screwed.