[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[den]

Can you really blame Ince for calling their bluff? Every player has their price, and if Villa bid over £18m we all know JW & the board will seriously consider it.

If I know BRFC, it will be Paul Ince's decision, not JW's.

[RibbleValleyRover]

Some interesting quotes in the LET by Ince:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport...rumour_mongers/

"Paul Ince has told Blackburn’s critics to “pick on another club” after dismissing more claims that Roque Santa Cruz could be heading out of Ewood Park."

“I accept that the nearer we get to the January sales, people will put all this rubbish in the papers,” said Ince.

“We’ve said before that Roque has signed a new four-year deal - he’s come out and said he loves it here.

“There was a load of FROM BACK PAGE rubbish that he might be joining Manchester City. It was exactly the same when people wrote about Carlos Villanueva.

“People want to write untold lies and I really don’t know why they do it. I don’t know why they just don’t go and pick on another club.

“Since I’ve been here, everyone has been trying to put Blackburn down, saying that my players want to go or that they are unhappy.”

and

Ince has revealed, however, that behind the scenes at Ewood Park, rumours and speculation concerning his players are nipped in the bud at the earliest opportunity.

“You’ve got to address this head on,” he said. “The first thing that happened when it was in the paper, Roque was knocking on my door saying it was a load of rubbish.

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I think Ince does have a point, clearly the media in particular the Daily Mail do seem to have it in for Ince and continue to print a load of rubbish about player's futures and the overall harmony at the club.

[roversmum]

“You’ve got to address this head on,” he said. “The first thing that happened when it was in the paper, Roque was knocking on my door saying it was a load of rubbish.

Oooooooooooooo, a big mumsy hug for Roque...

And well said, Paul Ince.

[ABBEY]

can i have a mumsie hug too?

[roversmum]

Oooooooooooooo, it's nice to be wanted

[Mr Creosote]

Some interesting quotes in the LET by Ince:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport...rumour_mongers/

"Paul Ince has told Blackburn’s critics to “pick on another club” after dismissing more claims that Roque Santa Cruz could be heading out of Ewood Park."

“I accept that the nearer we get to the January sales, people will put all this rubbish in the papers,” said Ince.

“We’ve said before that Roque has signed a new four-year deal - he’s come out and said he loves it here.

“There was a load of FROM BACK PAGE rubbish that he might be joining Manchester City. It was exactly the same when people wrote about Carlos Villanueva.

“People want to write untold lies and I really don’t know why they do it. I don’t know why they just don’t go and pick on another club.

“Since I’ve been here, everyone has been trying to put Blackburn down, saying that my players want to go or that they are unhappy.”

and

Ince has revealed, however, that behind the scenes at Ewood Park, rumours and speculation concerning his players are nipped in the bud at the earliest opportunity.

“You’ve got to address this head on,” he said. “The first thing that happened when it was in the paper, Roque was knocking on my door saying it was a load of rubbish.

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I think Ince does have a point, clearly the media in particular the Daily Mail do seem to have it in for Ince and continue to print a load of rubbish about player's futures and the overall harmony at the club.

I've been firmly in The "Give Ince a Chance Camp" but I think that it should be pointed out that he became very schtum when he himself was the subject of the speculation (Newcastle job).

[CrazyIvan]

I've been firmly in The "Give Ince a Chance Camp" but I think that it should be pointed out that he became very schtum when he himself was the subject of the speculation (Newcastle job).

I seem recall him saying he had only just started here. From the BBC...

[DingleBaiter]

I've been firmly in The "Give Ince a Chance Camp" but I think that it should be pointed out that he became very schtum when he himself was the subject of the speculation (Newcastle job).

Probably you missed his response the next day of at least two different press releases that put it to bed PDQ.

I'm all for criticising the PR at Ewood when justified, but not just because you've not done your research

Credit where it's due, they have been a bit more on the ball in facing these head on, especially in light of a distinct focus on things at Ewood in the last six months.

The fact Ince is in the media today (not the usual press day BTW) shows they're doing something right.

[Mr Creosote]

Probably you missed his response the next day of at least two different press releases that put it to bed PDQ.

I'm all for criticising the PR at Ewood when justified, but not just because you've not done your research

Credit where it's due, they have been a bit more on the ball in facing these head on, especially in light of a distinct focus on things at Ewood in the last six months.

The fact Ince is in the media today (not the usual press day BTW) shows they're doing something right.

I'm prepared to stand corrected but my recallection of his response to the speculation was to say that he couldn't do anything about it but he was flattered. I'm pretty sure he stopped short of saying he wouldn't leave for The Barcodes.

[CrazyIvan]

I'm prepared to stand corrected but my recallection of his response to the speculation was to say that he couldn't do anything about it but he was flattered. I'm pretty sure he stopped short of saying he wouldn't leave for The Barcodes.

I posted this just two posts ago where he says exactly that!

[Walls]

If I know BRFC, it will be Paul Ince's decision, not JW's.

How on earth can you say that? Thats just yet another underhand dig at Ince for Bentley leaving.

Do you really, really, really, genuinely, in your heart of hearts, believe we could have kept him??? If you do thats fair enough and you're entitled to your opinion but IMO you need to take a reality check and like it or not, re-align your view of where BRFC fall in the food chain of English football.

[Mr Creosote]

I posted this just two posts ago where he says exactly that!

Fair enough. As I said I want to give Ince a chance but I remember feeling annoyed at his reaction to being linked to the Newcastle job. I think the quotes in your link were made around the time when anything to do with Ashley and Wise was regarded as being simply unnacceptable to Newcastle fans. Ince was linked as he is a mate of Wise, prior to the furor in the Nort East Ince seemed to want to keep his council on the matter.

[den]

How on earth can you say that? Thats just yet another underhand dig at Ince for Bentley leaving.

Do you really, really, really, genuinely, in your heart of hearts, believe we could have kept him???

Because as far as I know, and as far as I believe, the rovers board don't sell players behind the managers back. Nor have they forced a recent rovers manager to sell.

Now if you know otherwise, please give us the evidence.

[Mr Creosote]

Because as far as I know, and as far as I believe, the rovers board don't sell players behind the managers back. Nor have they forced a recent rovers manager to sell.

Now if you know otherwise, please give us the evidence.

How many clubs (Manyoo excepted) hang on to players who are determined to leave?

[BuckyRover]

He gets more sickening by the day.

I am glad we sold him, even if on paper we look weaker. Our bank balance certainly looks better for it.

[novella]

Villa are linked to huntelaar in the press as well. id be absolutely gobsmacked if they signed roque and huntelaar. its obvious agent talk and press crap. wait until the window opens before we make judgement.

[den]

How many clubs (Manyoo excepted) hang on to players who are determined to leave?

If you read the thread, you'll realise that I wasn't even talking about Bentley. I was responding to a poster who was suggesting that if we got a big offer for Rocky, the rovers board would sell him. For many years, as far as I know, it's been the managers decision to buy/sell players, not John Williams.

Too may Paulettes around at the moment.

[imy9]

If you read the thread, you'll realise that I wasn't even talking about Bentley. I was responding to a poster who was suggesting that if we got a big offer for Rocky, the rovers board would sell him. For many years, as far as I know, it's been the managers decision to buy/sell players, not John Williams.

Too may Paulettes around at the moment.

If that was the case then why have players been allowed to put set amounts into their contracts stating that they can go if that amount was received? Duff (£17 million) is a prime example of this. As far as I am aware JW handles contracts not the managers.

If Rovers got a £30 million bid for Roque and Ince said no would the Rovers board sell? The answer is obvious...

[Walls]

Because as far as I know, and as far as I believe, the rovers board don't sell players behind the managers back. Nor have they forced a recent rovers manager to sell.

Now if you know otherwise, please give us the evidence.

Do you have evidence to back up your opinion? Didn't think so...

I wasn't saying the club have ever sold players behind the managers back. You stated an opinion as a matter of fact in a way that suggested it is always the managers choice whether to sell a player. As you are aware it is not always as straight forward as that and particularly when we are concerned there are non-footballing reasons to take into account.

Alan Shearer, David Batty, Henning Berg, Graeme Le Saux, Colin Hendry. What do they all have in common? They all left us when they wanted to, we didn't want to sell any of them. They all left at a time when we had the financial muscle to compete with the most successful and biggest clubs in the world. If we couldn't keep those players at that time why do you think we could have kept hold of Bentley? Players have even more power now than they did then. Like it or not we have to buy players, develop players and sell at a profit to survive in the premier league. Heck, half the clubs in the championship have a bigger transfer kitty than us. We sold Bentley at an ideal time for the club. We certainly wouldn't have been able to sell him for £15m + next summer.

Maybe you are annoyed that we didn't replace him and yes, perhaps we should have re-invested some of the money on a replacement. However I also think that Emerton has been playing well and Simpson looks like he will be improve given time. He will go back to Man Utd at the end of the season but they have plenty of options at RB so we may be able to buy him in the summer. I certainly don't think our right side is massively weaker than at the tail end of last season when it was plain for all to see that Bentley couldn't be arsed. When we get all of our injured players back (bar Reid) we will have plenty of choice and have a right to be optimistic for the rest of the season.

Anyway sorry for taking the thread off track. Just cheer up please

[den]

Sounds like you're the one who needs cheering up Walls.

You're answering questions that haven't been asked. I'm not interested in Hendry, Shearer etc, etc.

[Walls]

Too may Paulettes around at the moment.

If a Paulette is your childish name for someone who is prepared to give the new manger time to do things his way, and see what happens before forming opinions of him then I'm glad there are 'too many' around.

It makes life more enjoyable then when you are a miserable so and so.

EDIT: In response to your last reply, what makes you think I need cheering up? My glass isn't always half empty...

[Mr Creosote]

If you read the thread, you'll realise that I wasn't even talking about Bentley. I was responding to a poster who was suggesting that if we got a big offer for Rocky, the rovers board would sell him. For many years, as far as I know, it's been the managers decision to buy/sell players, not John Williams.

Too may Paulettes around at the moment.

I'm hardly likely to trawl the thread am I? Imo there is a clear inferance in your quote which I replied to. That being that it was somehow Inces' decision/fault that Bentley was sold.

You seem to be a labels man however I would not decribe myself as a"Paulette". Even if I was I'd still be well out numbered on here.

[den]

I'm hardly likely to trawl the thread am I?

Trawl? three or four posts above was all that was needed. You jumped onto Walls' ridiculous assumptions.

For the last time: I wasn't referring to anyone/anything apart from the fact that if Ince wants to keep Rocky and there's nothing in his contract that alows him to move on, JW wont force Ince to sell. No- it's not fact, just the way that JW seems to work.

Blimey!

[philipl]

"Its flattering to be linked with any club but it's speculation and I dont comment on speculation"

Was Ince's comment to Sky Sports News

That was said a few days before the comment crazyivan has posted made after the 0-4 home defeat to Arsenal was finally dragged out of Mr Ince after days of speculation during which his odds shortened from 36/1 to something like 4/1.

[gumboots]

If that was the case then why have players been allowed to put set amounts into their contracts stating that they can go if that amount was received? Duff (£17 million) is a prime example of this. As far as I am aware JW handles contracts not the managers.

If Rovers got a £30 million bid for Roque and Ince said no would the Rovers board sell? The answer is obvious...

At the time of the Duff contract that fee was put in to protect us. there was no likelihood of anyone paying it. It was only the Chelsea takeover that moved the goalposts. It was like the massive release fees there are on a lot of players like Kaka and so on now.