[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[philipl]

  scotchrover said:

Arsenal Enter Race

This lot will pay over the top as there short on players

1) Not exactly a good source is it?

2) Arshavin has physically been at Arsenal last week

3) Arsenal are apparently monitoring the Tevez carry-on very carefully

4) If Arsenal do offer the £20m it is bye bye RSC far more certainly than if City pony up.

[nicko]

  Earlydoors said:

I know of an up and coming young English manager with Premiership experience who's available

I know of an up and coming young Scottish manager who would lead them to world domination...

[yoda]

  nicko said:

I know of an up and coming young Scottish manager who would lead them to world domination...

I think you are over stating somewhat there Nicko

[JC4LAB]

If Roque were to go to Arsenal reckon they would have considerable more quality to offer part ex than anything City has ..Dont think theres are single player I would want to see come here from City

[nicko]

  yoda said:

I think you are over stating somewhat there Nicko

Well if he can turn round Burnley...Man City would be a dawdle.

[yoda]

  nicko said:

Well if he can turn round Burnley...Man City would be a dawdle.

Given city's history, if Hughes can't do it, maybe no one can!

[RoyRover]

I don't see Santa Cruz going to Arsenal. They have been linked with Arshavin who can play as a striker or on the wing. They have Adebayor, Van Persie, Bendtner, Eduardo, and Vela.

[Claytons Left Boot]

  nicko said:

I know of an up and coming young Scottish manager who would lead them to world domination...

Tell your mate to be careful - three losses on the trot and the natives will set fire to his trousers like they did to Stan!

[Billy Castell]

  nicko said:

Well if he can turn round Burnley...Man City would be a dawdle.

He won't have to ingratiate himself to the fans by sharing a bed with his sister either.

[scotchrover]

COULD BE STAYING

[RevidgeBlue]

  scotchrover said:

COULD BE STAYING

That sounds very feasible, I was driving past the ground at about 6.30 p.m and one of my passengers stated he had just seen RSC coming away from the ground.

I joked that he had probably emerged from a rollocking off Sam.

[Tris]

  philipl said:

Once again, RSC has been carrying a back injury which has been restricting him and needed rest.

Ince has been playing him against medical advice.

  Tris said:

I don't know where you get this stuff from but it's totally untrue.

  philipl said:

Sorry Tris, you are wrong.

I put the matter straight to Roque tonight, to his face, in the Premier Lounge at Ewood.

He has not had a back injury at any stage this season. His back is fine.

I thought I might have misheard, and knowing how good philip's "sources" are, I asked the question again.

RSC has not had any back injury this season. None. Nil. Nothing. No back injury. No back injury has been restricting him. No back injury has needed rest.

So philip - once again - I don't know where you get this stuff from but it's totally untrue.

No doubt you have a better source than the player himself so I can't wait to hear what that is ... or ... perhaps ... you keep posting stories on this website which are just your own take to fit your agenda. The analysis of accounts is great - I think you should stick to that.

Personally, I no longer believe anything else you post on here.

[Anti-Dingle-Brigade]

If he hasn't got a back injury, what has he got?

Apart from McCarthyitis.

[Tris]

  1864roverite said:

in defence of Phil, if you really wan to know RSC has a minor lower back strain and this is the reason why he pulled out yesterday morning, he had a fitness test in the morning a Ewood and failed.

Also bollucks. In case anyone thought it wasn't.

[philipl]

ok Tris.

Is Roque staying or going?

What is the background to the Radio interview with the BBC last Friday?

I won't remind you of some of your posts when Ince was still the manager which you might not be so definitive about now.

[thenodrog]

  nicko said:

If Man City don't beat Hull on Boxing Day...the fans will take it to the streets.

I think the only thing saving him right now is the lack of a replacement.

And that is down to their top people knowing NOBODY in football.

Farce.

Surely even they must have heard of Sir Alex!

[thenodrog]

  Tris said:

I put the matter straight to Roque tonight, to his face, in the Premier Lounge at Ewood.

So philip - once again - I don't know where you get this stuff from but it's totally untrue.

No doubt you have a better source than the player himself so I can't wait to hear what that is ... or ... perhaps ... you keep posting stories on this website which are just your own take to fit your agenda. The analysis of accounts is great - I think you should stick to that.

Personally, I no longer believe anything else you post on here.

  philipl said:

ok Tris.

Is Roque staying or going?

What is the background to the Radio interview with the BBC last Friday?

I won't remind you of some of your posts when Ince was still the manager which you might not be so definitive about now.

You can both fall out all you want but imo it's sad to say but you've both lost a lot of credibility with your opinions recently.

[Tris]

  philipl said:

ok Tris.

Is Roque staying or going?

What is the background to the Radio interview with the BBC last Friday?

I won't remind you of some of your posts when Ince was still the manager which you might not be so definitive about now.

I'm not stupid enough to ask that one.

Or that one.

Dig them out - all were made in the support of BRFC and in good faith. And apparently from better "sources" than you have.

How's RSC's bad back??

[philipl]

  Tris said:

I'm not stupid enough to ask that one.

Or that one.

Dig them out - all were made in the support of BRFC and in good faith. And apparently from better "sources" than you have.

How's RSC's bad back??

So in all good faith you are in effect saying you were wrong about Ince.

I too have been posting in what I believed to be in the best interests of the Rovers.

I accept that you were far more interested in posting vitriol against me and others than you were in finding anything out about the two stories now dominating coverage of the club or finding out why Roque has missed so much time and been less fluid in his movement. Strange but I accept what you say.

[Rovermatt]

  JC4LAB said:

If Roque were to go to Arsenal reckon they would have considerable more quality to offer part ex than anything City has ..Dont think theres are single player I would want to see come here from City

Stephen Ireland, Martin Petrov, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Elano, Micah Richards, Dietmar Hamann. You woudn't want these players at Rovers?

[Athlete]

  Rovermatt said:

Stephen Ireland, Martin Petrov, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Elano, Micah Richards, Dietmar Hamann. You woudn't want these players at Rovers?

Martin Petrov until getting injured ( he's still out ) was the most exciting winger in the premiership - boy would he fit in at Rovers the rest i agree I wouldnt want

[alexanders]

Stephen Ireland has been looking all that this season and can also play RW - I would want him, Elano and Micah Richards. No doubt about it!

[philipl]

Ok its the bright sunlight of a lovely December morning here and no longer a stuffed up nose interupted sleep of the night making me grumpy.

Of course I don't have the benefit of talking to Roque or the Chairman or whoever face-to-face that Tris has.

But Tris and whoever equally need to understand:

- there are virtually no posters on this messageboard who write with any ill-will or malice towards BRFC

- in fact we are all passionate supporters of BRFC and only wish to see the very best for BRFC

- in Hughes' days, Rovers was a massively professional organisation led by a Chairman and Manager who clearly were excellent in their respective roles. (Note I have not said they were flawless nor have I said that Hughes did not have an agenda increasingly to leave in the latter stages before the words St Mark get hurled.)

- in the Ince days, right from the start, the contrast between the professionalism and unity of purpose of what had been BRFC and what then passed for BRFC could not have been starker or more extreme.

- Rovers changed dramatically from being an organisation which rarely emanated bad rumours and those that did (eg Bentley) came out over an identifiable person or issue.

- In the Ince regime, Rovers leaked from every pore- Brockhall, players, agents, Ewood staff and management, Ince's own appointees, the boardroom.

- It was apparent to many supporters who had only the club's best interests at heart from pre-season that Ince was simply not managerial, had his own agenda which was at best tangential to the interests of the club, had insufficient knowledge skill or experience to handle a Premier League club in 2008/9 and thought he could cover his deficiencies by relying on throwbacks from a different era to instill discipline and morale.

- It didn't work and the pain and anguish it caused the brave people who appointed and backed Ince, again plainly believing they were acting in the enlightened best interests of BRFC, was also far more visible than they might have thought or wished.

- With Sam in charge (and after his chastening experiences at Newcastle where he might have felt like Ince might have done at Rovers that the institution and supporters were never going to give him a chance), it already feels like there is a return to professionalism and a real sense of direction and purpose on the playing side at Ewood. I fully expect that the leaks will dry up and believe that they are doing already.

I have not written stuff that was not already in the public domain or in the case of Roque's neglected injury, something that was being said so often behind the scenes that it was highly likely to be true and was also not damaging to the cause if made public at the right time. And I am aware that the Big Lie can get a life of its own and now acknowledge this might be a case in point. As I have written before there is plenty I have chosen not to say.

But is there nothing wrong with Roque and is he pocketing £60k a week and not trying? People ought to think long and hard before they go there.

The final point of note is that there were attempts to put out stories such as the players were united behind Ince and his people and statistical manipulation of expressions opinion that were in retrospect deliberately misleading and designed to hoodwink the fans into giving Ince a continued chance.

The fact the fans are aware that was going on needs to be borne in mind as Sam is helped to bed down at Ewood.

[Tris]

  philipl said:

But Tris and whoever equally need to understand:

- there are virtually no posters on this messageboard who write with any ill-will or malice towards BRFC

I have not written stuff that was not already in the public domain or in the case of Roque's neglected injury, something that was being said so often behind the scenes that it was highly likely to be true and was also not damaging to the cause if made public at the right time. And I am aware that the Big Lie can get a life of its own and now acknowledge this might be a case in point. As I have written before there is plenty I have chosen not to say.

I am absolutely fed up of reading fiction on this messageboard being passed off as fact. It's nothing to do with ill will / malice / public domain / damaging to the cause. It's to do with being trustworthy and being able to stand behind what you've said.

  philipl said:

Once again, RSC has been carrying a back injury which has been restricting him and needed rest.

Ince has been playing him against medical advice.

This was never true.

I challenged the statement and got this -

  philipl said:

Sorry Tris, you are wrong.

You've said a lot these past couple of weeks, been pressed to reveal where it's all coming from, and refused. People can draw their own conclusions - I know what conclusion I've drawn.

[philipl]

Whatever.

I have answered your points.

You have been very selective in answering mine.

And you are stating the pure driven truth because your source is...?