[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[T4E]

Not necessarily as a replacement for Roque (as he's not in the same class) - but I wouldn't mind if we got Nugent from Pompey - he'd likely be cheap and I think Sam could do something with him.

[gumboots]

Not necessarily as a replacement for Roque (as he's not in the same class) - but I wouldn't mind if we got Nugent from Pompey - he'd likely be cheap and I think Sam could do something with him.

Use him to clean the toilets? He's poor and has been for some time now.

[T4E]

He's started two games for them this season, and come on as a late substitute in two others. Not quite sure how you've managed to gauge his form from that.

[67splitscreen]

Not necessarily as a replacement for Roque (as he's not in the same class) - but I wouldn't mind if we got Nugent from Pompey - he'd likely be cheap and I think Sam could do something with him.

He could show him where the nets are. Pompey 0 in 18, just what we need.

[Hughesy]

OMG Not Nugent! I would cry if Roque went and we brought in Nugent (I know you said not as a direct replacement). Championship player and always will be.

Who would other players feel would be realistic and maybe available for a sensible price?

Janko @ Salzburg?

Martins @ Newcastle? (Dreaming but They need to raise funds to buy new players)

hmmm henrik larsson?

a long shot i know but cheap and can do a job for half a season

but still a long shot

would be good

[braddock]

OMG Not Nugent! I would cry if Roque went and we brought in Nugent (I know you said not as a direct replacement). Championship player and always will be.

Who would other players feel would be realistic and maybe available for a sensible price?

Janko @ Salzburg?

Martins @ Newcastle? (Dreaming but They need to raise funds to buy new players)

don't think they would sell martins and owen, but the thought is nice

henrik larsson

[T4E]

OMG Not Nugent! I would cry if Roque went and we brought in Nugent (I know you said not as a direct replacement). Championship player and always will be.

Its the market we operate in mate. If we want good players we need to get them while their stock is low and rehabilitate them.

We certainly don't operate in an area where Obafemi Martins is a realistic target for us.

[joey_big_nose]

Janko @ Salzburg?

Martins @ Newcastle? (Dreaming but They need to raise funds to buy new players)

Janko I guess is a possibility. But whoever it is it is not going to be someone anyone thinks "crikey - they are a brilliant player!", because by default they cost loads and loads of cash.

It's going to be someone on a downard curve in their career from a "bigger" club, or someone on the upturn from a lower club. Same as Cruz, McCarthy, Bellamy, Tugay, Samba etc. I would be suprised if it is anyone that would get a great deal of support on here. We don't buy established names.

[gumboots]

Janko I guess is a possibility. But whoever it is it is not going to be someone anyone thinks "crikey - they are a brilliant player!", because by default they cost loads and loads of cash.

It's going to be someone on a downard curve in their career from a "bigger" club, or someone on the upturn from a lower club. Same as Cruz, McCarthy, Bellamy, Tugay, Samba etc. I would be suprised if it is anyone that would get a great deal of support on here. We don't buy established names.

Difference is all but Samba were known quality players who'd lost their way. Nugent was never that kind of quality. He was a decent championship player and while I don't expect a superstar or anything, and wouldn't dream of pulling names from FM as some do, I don't think Nugent is the answer to the question "Who would you get if we sold Santa Cruz?"

[Majiball]

Janko I guess is a possibility. But whoever it is it is not going to be someone anyone thinks "crikey - they are a brilliant player!", because by default they cost loads and loads of cash.

It's going to be someone on a downard curve in their career from a "bigger" club, or someone on the upturn from a lower club. Same as Cruz, McCarthy, Bellamy, Tugay, Samba etc. I would be suprised if it is anyone that would get a great deal of support on here. We don't buy established names.

The Janko rumours have slowed down thankfully. They reportedly want 9-10M for him and I'm far from certain he would hit it off in the premiership, its a huge step up from the Austrian league.

I'd like to see us explore South America, more especially if we are after a new striker.

[T4E]

I don't think Nugent is the answer to the question "Who would you get if we sold Santa Cruz?"

And neither was he proposed as such. I went to some lengths to make that clear in my original post.

[gumboots]

And neither was he proposed as such. I went to some lengths to make that clear in my original post.

No you said in your original I don't mean who could replace Santa Cruz? because we're not getting another player like him. that's why I worded my answer very carefully to emphasise that you did not say who could be a direct replacement but who might we get if we sell him.

[joey_big_nose]

Difference is all but Samba were known quality players who'd lost their way. Nugent was never that kind of quality. He was a decent championship player and while I don't expect a superstar or anything, and wouldn't dream of pulling names from FM as some do, I don't think Nugent is the answer to the question "Who would you get if we sold Santa Cruz?"

I wouldn't want Nugent either! THat wasn't my point. My Point is that none of us have got a decent idea of who would make a good singing for Rovers. We don't know what is plausible, who is available, who is interested. Our diet as fans, in the main, is Premier League stuff and even that we don't know much about (I speak for myself here, but honestly how much do we really know about it? Very little). So bandying around names is a bit of a futile exercise. It will be someone a little off the map, and probably who represents good value and has decent talent. I would, like Tugay et al, expect whoever it is to have top line experience and be an international. But I don't think it is going to be someone anyone can really predict.

Who saw the McCarthy or Cruz signings happening? Who was even that excited about it when they did happen? Cruz in particular got a lot of stick on here, McCarthy was greeted with interest but not real enthusiasm.

[gumboots]

I wouldn't want Nugent either! THat wasn't my point. My Point is that none of us have got a decent idea of who would make a good singing for Rovers. We don't know what is plausible, who is available, who is interested. Our diet as fans, in the main, is Premier League stuff and even that we don't know much about (I speak for myself here, but honestly how much do we really know about it? Very little). So bandying around names is a bit of a futile exercise. It will be someone a little off the map, and probably who represents good value and has decent talent. I would, like Tugay et al, expect whoever it is to have top line experience and be an international. But I don't think it is going to be someone anyone can really predict.

Who saw the McCarthy or Cruz signings happening? Who was even that excited about it when they did happen? Cruz in particular got a lot of stick on here, McCarthy was greeted with interest but not real enthusiasm.

I agree about this bandying around of names. I've never made a suggestion as to who we could buy because I really have little or no idea, as you say, about who would be possible/available/affordable etc. I don't spend my time playing computer games or watching la liga or whatever. I would just hope that if we sell Santa cruz and buy someone else it's someone with a better pedigree than Nugent. We were linked with him in the past and I didn't want him then when there was a possibility he might amount to something.

[JC4LAB]

Onuoha ,Tel Haim + £8-10Million is the latest deal now rumoured on Citys fan forum

[gumboots]

Onuoha ,Tel Haim + £8-10Million is the latest deal now rumoured on Citys fan forum

I'd hope if we're selling we'd have the sense to get cash only and then decide if we wanted any of their players. They can afford to pay and there's always disagreements about valuations. Get one deal sorted then work on others

[philipl]

I think getting one player in a part swap was always unlikely and Nico has indicated it would be too complicated to do.

Two players just proves that this is unreal now.

[modes98]

Who do we get in to replace him and to become one of our 4 strikers??

I don't think Podolski is such a daft shout. His club record leaves alot to be desired, he doesn't mind playing for smaller clubs as he was going to move back to Koln in the summer and Roque could always put in a word before he makes his move.

The problem thesedays is that goals aren't cheap. Unfortunately the route Sam will have to take is that of the untried european striker and just hope that it works out like McCarthy and Santa Cruz have. The only other option is taking a reserve/young striker on loan from one of the big boys.

[tony gale's mic]

No chance with Podolski. He won't want to join a club in the relegation zone, plus there'll be other clubs willing to offer more money.

[modes98]

No chance with Podolski. He won't want to join a club in the relegation zone, plus there'll be other clubs willing to offer more money.

He's been on the market with a fee of £9.5m for 6 months now and there have been no takers, a few goals would certainly put his name back on the football map. I would think Man C would be interested as it looks like a big move, but they aren't in a much better position than us.

[Hughesy]

McCarthy and Santa Cruz were both quite well known strikers though to be fair.

RSC was always hyped up, but never seemed to make the step up. Benni always seemed to do well for porto and in Europe, and always seemed to do well against English teams.

The likes of Nugent just dont fit into that class of player. We really should aim higher. Podolski is a good shout but I think there is too much interest in him and too many others with bigger money to offer + If roque is off, I cant see him wanting to join.

[Hughesy]

We really need a 15 goal a season striker if RSC goes. A couple of the more realistic below.

Ashton? (Injury prone & Not sure he would be allowed to go)

Bellamy? (Over-priced & City interested)

Kevin Phillips? (Screw Big Clubs promotion bid and get a natural goal-scorer)

Doyle (Again screw Readings chances, not so long ago talk of England call-up)

Beattie (Just seems past it for me - but exactly the sort of player I can see Sam getting)

Heskey (Out of contract soon, unlikely to budge until he is free)

[tony gale's mic]

Our position is significantly different to before, thanks to the idiotic decision to appoint Ince. I'm fairly convinced that had we been in this position when it came to trying to attract McCarthy or RSC, we would have had a lot more difficulty getting them to sign. End of the day Podolski will look at us and probably won't see us as that different to joining Stoke or West Brom - yes we did better in recent times but nothing to give us a decent European reputation, and the RSC factor will cancel out seeing as he wants to leave.

[Hughesy]

Surely most professionals in the game will know that we are a much better, more established premier league club than those mentioned + 5 or 6 others.

Yes we have just gone through a blip and had some rocky times, but so too have Tottenham/ Newcastle and they can still attract big/ good players.

[islander200]

We really need a 15 goal a season striker if RSC goes. A couple of the more realistic below.

Ashton? (Injury prone & Not sure he would be allowed to go)

Bellamy? (Over-priced & City interested)

Kevin Phillips? (Screw Big Clubs promotion bid and get a natural goal-scorer)

Doyle (Again screw Readings chances, not so long ago talk of England call-up)

Beattie (Just seems past it for me - but exactly the sort of player I can see Sam getting)

Heskey (Out of contract soon, unlikely to budge until he is free)

I doubt very much there was talk of an england call up for doyle considering he was born and bred in the ROI.