[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[T4E]

Which option would people prefer:

1) Roque signed a new contract, knowing that he wasn't going to stay, but hoping that this would ensure Rovers got a good deal for him?

or

2) Neill not signing a new contract, knowing that he wasn't going to stay, which meant there was no chance of us thinking he was going to stay but affecting the deal we got for him.

I think the best thing is to just accept that a player, contract or not, might one day leave for several reasons. The only thing I would say is that we should make sure that whenever a player leaves, we get a deal that we want and only let them leave when we are happy, for example, having a replacement lined up if needed.

1 every day of the week.

Roque did the right thing for Rovers and himself when he signed the contract, as it kept his value high and he got a clause inserted. He could have likely walked away in the Summer for far less than £20m if he'd kicked up a stink, and he could have walked away for less now.

He doesn't want to be here so he needs to go and we need to get the next one in.

[thenodrog]

Which option would people prefer:

1) Roque signed a new contract, knowing that he wasn't going to stay, but hoping that this would ensure Rovers got a good deal for him?

or

2) Neill not signing a new contract, knowing that he wasn't going to stay, which meant there was no chance of us thinking he was going to stay but affecting the deal we got for him.

Where do you put the Bentley variation?

'"I will communicate and talk to the club and the coach, they know my position, I want to go."

Goodbye then.....

I hope you are just as prolific a goal scorer for City as you have been for us so far this season.

Sam, take the next bid for him, whatever it is.............

'"I will communicate and talk to the club and the coach, they know my position, I want to go."

Goodbye then.....

I hope you are just as prolific a goal scorer for City as you have been for us so far this season.

Sam, take the next bid for him, whatever it is.............

You are sounding like a spoilt child...... and the last sentence suggests a foolish one to boot.

[Mr. E]

With City getting Kaka it seems like Santa is too small a player for them, I don't think they're interested anymore. Which means we're stuck with a player who doesn't want to play for us and no money to fix the weaknesses in our squad. Very bad.

[dave birch]

With City getting Kaka it seems like Santa is too small a player for them, I don't think they're interested anymore. Which means we're stuck with a player who doesn't want to play for us and no money to fix the weaknesses in our squad. Very bad.

Only partly agree with that.

There has been no one else in for him, so what are his options?

He's a "professional" footballer. Has had his head turned by city, if they don't come back in for him and no one else does, he has no option but to put his head down and work to impress possible future employers. Either way, it could turn out to be a win for the Rovers.

[Mr. E]

Only partly agree with that.

There has been no one else in for him, so what are his options?

He's a "professional" footballer. Has had his head turned by city, if they don't come back in for him and no one else does, he has no option but to put his head down and work to impress possible future employers. Either way, it could turn out to be a win for the Rovers.

Well, he'll play, maybe score another few goals, but get nowhere near his tally from the first season. Same thing happened to Benni and he admitted all the Chelsea talk swayed his head and he couldn't focus on us. It's hard to recapture that determination once you're looking out the door.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

With City getting Kaka it seems like Santa is too small a player for them, I don't think they're interested anymore. Which means we're stuck with a player who doesn't want to play for us and no money to fix the weaknesses in our squad. Very bad.

He has maintained that although he has wanted to move he is happy at Rovers. I still suspect that if and when Kaka is resolved that Santa Cruz will return on City's radar.

[47er]

Any word on his mysterious calf injury?

[Bobby G]

Nope, sources close to City say Hughes has devised the line-up and formation he wants, and Roque is up front on his own.

[Cocker]

Nope, sources close to City say Hughes has devised the line-up and formation he wants, and Roque is up front on his own.

So Kaka and Robinio will be on the bench then?

[Bobby G]

No its a 4-1-4-1 with Robinho, Kaka, Ireland and SWP across from left to right behind Roque, and Kompany anchoring the midfield behind them.

[Guest Kamy100]

No its a 4-1-4-1 with Robinho, Kaka, Ireland and SWP across from left to right behind Roque, and Kompany anchoring the midfield behind them.

If that midfield is true then they are going to get relegated, to many attack minded players who will not track back or have the physical presence to control games, yes they will score goals but teams will "out muscle" them out of matches.

[Pugg]

Where do you put the Bentley variation?

Well at the time I was just comparing the two extremes, because there were differing opinions on players leaving, and those two best highlighted that, for example someone saying Roque shouldn't have signed a new contract if he wanted to leave but then also saying that Neill shouldn't have let his run down.

As for were Bentley fits in; probably somewhere in the middle , he had a good amount of time left on his contract. The same goes for what I said previously, we should have only let Bentley go if we had a replacement lined up and if we got the money we wanted for him.

[Bobby G]

If that midfield is true then they are going to get relegated, to many attack minded players who will not track back or have the physical presence to control games, yes they will score goals but teams will "out muscle" them out of matches.

Kamy, not necessarily in theory. Do you remember the Galacticos? Well before they sold Makelele they had players like Figo, Zidane, Ronaldo, Raul et al playing ahead of him...Im not saying Kompany is in the same class of Makelele but its possible to pull it off. Relegated they wont get, thats for sure.

[Pugg]

Relegated they wont get, thats for sure.

Hehe, sorry, that just reminded me of Yoda .

[RoyRover]

With City getting Kaka it seems like Santa is too small a player for them, I don't think they're interested anymore. Which means we're stuck with a player who doesn't want to play for us and no money to fix the weaknesses in our squad. Very bad.

We are stuck with our best goal scorer, who can save us from relegation and losing £50 million+ in Premier League money. We may not get the £20 million that would have added to clubs funds, but we have a better chance of avoiding losing £50 million + that the club runs on, with Santa Cruz in the team.

[Majiball]

I agree Bobby the 4141 can work with the attacking players. Ireland will get stuck in as will kompany.

TBH I would have thought they would set out a little differently

--------Kompany-----Ireland--------

SWP-------------Kaka----------Robinho

-------------------RSC------------------

A bit like united do now. Two midfielders Ireland will get forward when possible with the other four having a lot of freedom.

[thenodrog]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/...-Kaka-deal.html

About twice as much for agents etc as their valuation of RSC! That and a 'Sell or else miss out on the cash' statement from Hughes smacks of the actions of a bully. And he is now talking shyte... he's informed the media that City can easily justify the layout for Kaka both commercially and in a footballing context. Obviously bolloxx BUT if thats the case then why didn't you buy him in summer Sparky?

imo City are misjudging the mood of the entire footballing public. As the recession deepens this excess is sickening football fans right throughout the country.

Alternatively has anyone thought that taking into account the current financial situation, this daft circus and the even dafter one scheduled in the east end for 2012 is reminiscent of the final days of the doomed Roman empire. Didn't the Romans put on ever bigger and more specatular gladitorial events to take the public's mind off the dramatic collapse of the Holy Roman empire?

[Majiball]

Didn't the Romans put on ever bigger and more specatular gladitorial events to take the public's mind off the dramatic collapse of the Holy Roman empire?

Yes, they did but there's one difference.

We have the mighty GORDON BROWN, saviour of the universe.

ROFLMAO, sorry can't complete on that one.

[gumboots]

The things going on at city are surely a sign that the premier league as we know it will not survive much longer. How long will it be before the owners start wanting City games to be played in their own back yard? How long before they start wanting their own league based on invitation only?

[yoda]

Hehe, sorry, that just reminded me of Yoda .

What?

[Pugg]

What?

I thought you might reply . The way the sentence was, reminded me of the actual Yoda, not you!

[tony gale's mic]

We are stuck with our best goal scorer, who can save us from relegation and losing £50 million+ in Premier League money. We may not get the £20 million that would have added to clubs funds, but we have a better chance of avoiding losing £50 million + that the club runs on, with Santa Cruz in the team.

Really? Because this is a man who scored 5 goals a season for about 6 seasons at Bayern and has scored 3 goals this season. One may argue we stand a better chance of avoiding losing that £50 million if we got the £20 million to improve the squad with. We wouldn't be losing anything from this season's performance if we sold him.

[cruz]

Selling Santa Cruz also does not guarantee safety as most dog-dinner transfers are conducted in a panicked January haste.

Jesus we are about 5 points off the top half

[Majiball]

Here's a thought, could we get a poll going keep or sell??

[BuckyRover]

Really? Because this is a man who scored 5 goals a season for about 6 seasons at Bayern and has scored 3 goals this season. One may argue we stand a better chance of avoiding losing that £50 million if we got the £20 million to improve the squad with. We wouldn't be losing anything from this season's performance if we sold him.

Exactly. He has done nothing this season.

The sad thing is, I believe we will only see him back to last seasons best, if we sell him to Man City. I don't believe he will replicate that with us.

It sort of puts us in a lose-lose situation:

Sell - He bangs loads in for Man City; we look foolish

Keep: He does nothing for the rest of the season. Sits on a 50k p/w contract and we get hardly anything for him when he eventually leaves.

In our situation, I really think for the benefit of the club we have to sell.