[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[47er]

Not necessarily.

In pure footballing terms we'd have been far better off had we not sold Duff, Shearer and Bentley. Doing so nearly got us relegated three times.

I can't actually believe people are criticising the Club for in this instance showing a bit of ambition and wanting to keep our best player.

You're forgetting something-------we'd already sold 2 of our best 3 players. That's when the club should have dug in. We could have handled Bentley the same way Villa handled Barrie. Perhaps the difference in calibre of manager was a factor here? Failure to keep Bentley or replace him has robbed us of much of our creativity.

[Hughesy]

If anyone can sort out our squad then Sam is that man.

If City still want Roque - we should ask for Sturridge & Cacciedo - both young and very talented and both will be worth a fortune in the future. Even Onouha!

[Majiball]

Decent post Majiball, but doesn't Porto/Sporting being able to sign these promising young players say more about the differences in visa/work permit regulations in the two countries than anything else?

Yes there is that small point. LOL

But you can still get these guys over here everton have several (africans) at present, and we could always sort out deals prior to them becoming 18. They would then move to us once they are old enough. We have to start doing something our club seem completely devoid of ideas.

Thankfully at 18 they'll be free of Bobby "the dinosaur" Downes.

Sorry I'm in one of those moods, we don't have to do exactly as Porto and Lisbon but we must start signing youger players and not kids (our youth set-up kills anyone and everyone, just ask our ex-england captain ciaran Donelly). Look at Bentley we gave him a platform for his talents and gave him the ball, yes for us he was awesome, but now he's a little fish in a ###### filled pond (I hate spurs, sorry alex) and we look like shrewd businessmen, we must try and focus on that type of signing. We won't lose (too much) either way at worst a couple of million but with sound contacts to other clubs around the globe we could manage it.

Plenty of clubs would love to swap ideas and techniques with us, but instead we copy middlesbourgh, good call!!!!

The other oppurtunity that our club must seize is the change in coaching, even the FA have figured it out. But places like Spain and the Czech's are 10 years ahead, so we should start to forge links with them to learn and get a head start on teams in our country.

[DE.]

Arsenal look more shrewd than us as they took a fair chunk of the Bentley fee.

[Exiled_Rover]

If anyone can sort out our squad then Sam is that man.

If City still want Roque - we should ask for Sturridge & Cacciedo - both young and very talented and both will be worth a fortune in the future. Even Onouha!

They won't have Sturridge in the summer. He does look quality though - how Ched Evans gets off the bench before him is baffling.

[Hughesy]

We should try our best to snap him up then. It isnt going to take massive wages, the lad just wants top league football week in week out. Something he wont get at City, Chelsea or possibly even Villa.

I wouldnt be suprised if Moyes tries to get him.

[LeChuck]

Shocked that we loaned out two strikers without the ability to recall them, knowing RSC's injury-prone nature and Benni's love of all things fattening.

I'm not being funny, but this has come up time and time again. The reason we had to do it that way is that you can't get a club to pay a fee to take them on loan if you're able to recall them - you'd also be very lucky to get them to contribute towards his wage, let alone pay the entire thing (as I suspect will be the case with those two).

Put bluntly, we need to loan players out in that manner to allow us to bring players in as a replacement. In this case, Diouf and Givet.

[Blue n White Rover]

If anyone can sort out our squad then Sam is that man.

If City still want Roque - we should ask for Sturridge & Cacciedo - both young and very talented and both will be worth a fortune in the future. Even Onouha!

Are you serious? Did you not watch him last night. He was caught offside more times than Benni(11 times in total!!), missed a complete sitter which Roberts would have put away. The guy is rubbish.

[waggy]

Do you talk this much @#/? in your everyday life?? God help your friends if you do.

I don't think I've ever read as much crap as the stuff you regularly come out with.

Can someone remind me how to use the 'ignore' function please?

:rover:members of this messageboard are the only rovers fans i have met who think rocky was worth keeping

[Majiball]

Arsenal look more shrewd than us as they took a fair chunk of the Bentley fee.

OK the finer of details of the deal where not great, but we still made some serious cash of him and showed that we can offer a platform for people to progress.

Are you serious? Did you not watch him last night. He was caught offside more times than Benni(11 times in total!!), missed a complete sitter which Roberts would have put away. The guy is rubbish.

He destroyed us once on, personally I'd pay him his 40K a week. An english striker for next to nothing if crouch is worth 12M what price Sturridge a couple of seasons later. He's proved he can cut it at this level and just wants to play, enter Rovers.

[Sparky Marky]

He's on about Caceido mate...not Sturridge....

[DE.]

I'm not being funny, but this has come up time and time again. The reason we had to do it that way is that you can't get a club to pay a fee to take them on loan if you're able to recall them - you'd also be very lucky to get them to contribute towards his wage, let alone pay the entire thing (as I suspect will be the case with those two).

Put bluntly, we need to loan players out in that manner to allow us to bring players in as a replacement. In this case, Diouf and Givet.

I'm aware of that, it's just a shame it had to be two strikers. On the other hand, at the time we had Benni, Diouf, RSC, Roberts and even MGP can play as makeshift striker. It's been bad luck that we've had such a bad time with injuries with all of them.

[CAPT KAYOS]

Fair point Capt. but if that is indeed a failing it is surely is a failing on the part of the medical staff, and not a reflection on the decision not to sell in Jan.

The thing is Rev (and this is probably just the cynical in me -I just seem to be getting even more about Rovers nowadays) who is to say the medical staff didn't fail and did actually highlight the fact , maybe after the tfr window though.

We never know what actually goes on behind the scenes and I we all know the club would never actually admit it if they know they have made a big faux pas - my post was more to say that Eddie had justification for his reasoning and his posts.

As mentioned I feel the club was right not to sell if the circumstance re Citeh are to be believed - however the situation re Roque does give suspicion to doubt things though now - interestingly enough as people are now commenting- a while back we had discussions on here re the furture for Rovers and the academy and I mentioned IMO that the way I felt the club had to go was to start taking a gamble on decent younger players even from the 1st Division ( especially if its a case of business survival rather than actual competitive football) - developing them and reaping the profit even though this is not what many people (fans) want to hear or be part of- given the comments from JW in the last set of accounts looks like Rovers have finally realised this may be the clubs only option as its very unlikely the benefactor ala Jack is very unlikely to ever show itself in the Blue and White of Lancashire again - question is... is it too late?

[Hughesy]

Are you serious? Did you not watch him last night. He was caught offside more times than Benni(11 times in total!!), missed a complete sitter which Roberts would have put away. The guy is rubbish.

He also put the ball in the back of the net - twice!! Thats more than Roberts would in 2 games. He's a player tried getting as part of the deal in January for RSC. He is 20 years old, has plenty of pace & power - he has time to develop into a much better player too. Unlike Roberts.

[Eddie]

He destroyed us once on, personally I'd pay him his 40K a week. An english striker for next to nothing if crouch is worth 12M what price Sturridge a couple of seasons later. He's proved he can cut it at this level and just wants to play, enter Rovers.

That's how clubs get in big trouble. We can't offer someone 40k until they are totally proven.

[thenodrog]

Sorry I'm in one of those moods, we don't have to do exactly as Porto and Lisbon but we must start signing youger players and not kids (our youth set-up kills anyone and everyone, just ask our ex-england captain ciaran Donelly). Look at Bentley we gave him a platform for his talents and gave him the ball, yes for us he was awesome, but now he's a little fish in a ###### filled pond (I hate spurs, sorry alex) and we look like shrewd businessmen, we must try and focus on that type of signing. We won't lose (too much) either way at worst a couple of million but with sound contacts to other clubs around the globe we could manage it.

Plenty of clubs would love to swap ideas and techniques with us, but instead we copy middlesbourgh, good call!!!!

The other oppurtunity that our club must seize is the change in coaching, even the FA have figured it out. But places like Spain and the Czech's are 10 years ahead, so we should start to forge links with them to learn and get a head start on teams in our country.

SA said at ewood that players all over the world are begging to play in the prem, and that the prem is currently the place to be. We should be bringing over as many Bentleys, Samba's and Villanueva's as we can for trial periods. Players with early talent whose development has levelled off should be our gathjering ground. Trying to make a pro footballer out of local kids is a job for our neighbours.

[Blue n White Rover]

He also put the ball in the back of the net - twice!! - You mean ONCE! Thats more than Roberts would in 2 games. ROBERTS DID THAT AT THE START OF BIG SAMS REIGN AT ROVERS He's a player tried getting as part of the deal in January for RSC PROVE IT He is 20 years old , has plenty of pace & power WE'VE GOT MATTY DERBYSHIRE, ALTHOUGH HE DOESN'T HAVE THE POWER, BUT HAS BETTER FINISHING QUALITIES THAN HIM- he has time to develop into a much better player too. Unlike Roberts. JUST LIKE MATT DERBYSHIRE.

NEXT

EDIT: Before you say...the second goal was offside and didn't count, therefore, is pointless.

[American]

As it turns out you made the correct guess - that's all.

Sounds familiar....

[key76]

If Sturridge & Caciedo are that good how come City haven't been playing them week in/week out all season?

[Majiball]

That's how clubs get in big trouble. We can't offer someone 40k until they are totally proven.

Yes but I honestly think sturridge is ready for a regular role in a premiership team. He's got a good head on him and if it wasn't for Hughes lack of faith in kids then he would be. Anyways his wages would be offset by the pathetic fee we have to pay at a tribunal.

think of him as young Roberts with an ability to score, oh and play.

SA said at ewood that players all over the world are begging to play in the prem, and that the prem is currently the place to be. We should be bringing over as many Bentleys, Samba's and Villanueva's as we can for trial periods. Players with early talent whose development has levelled off should be our gathjering ground. Trying to make a pro footballer out of local kids is a job for our neighbours.

Exactly, but what are we doing about it????

Man Utd are slowly building an empire across the globe the da silva's will not be the last south amerivan kids to come to them. We should be doing the same. Forge a link with say Gremio, there's a kid called wallywongo (made up) both clubs split the bill, once he's 18 he joins us for a fee that includes future bonuses (like bentley) we then develop him and sell him on, both clubs make good money, everyones happy.

I still think we should have a youth system though, now is a great chance to get a jump on a lot of other clubs, youth wise. I just hope Rovers will see it, trouble is I know they won't.

[Mr. E]

It almost pains me to think how massive of a mistake we made not selling Cruz. Whenever someone wants to leave - we do good business letting him have his wish - they usually fall flat on their faces at their new club and we get some money. So we didn't gain anything at all by keeping him.

It's important to keep our best players - but only if they actually want to stay (and do actually play).

[Majiball]

He's on about Caceido mate...not Sturridge....

So he is and damn my posts too early to claim alcohol induced stupidity, or is it????

[Eddie]

I assume this is the story Nicko was talking about (although he didn't write this), encouraging at least that someone with money is still intrested in him.

[kandi]

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_...-name_page.html

[Stuart]

http://www.people.co.uk/sport/football/tm_...-name_page.html

Avenue of escape, eh? How many players have tunnelled out of Ewood only to regret it later...