[Archived] Roque Santa Cruz Thread

[thenodrog]

Can't see why Manchester City of all clubs would even bother to spread out the payments.

Obvious isn't it? In January City were relegation rivals and they wouldn't want to strengthen us would they? Despite all this reported wealth and the stupidity over the Kaka embarrassment Hughes hasn't spent all that much money yet has he? Financial wisdom or fur coat and no knickers? Despite the Kaka fiasco I'll give them the benefit of the doubt at the moment.

[thenodrog]

Not for me Eddie. Player swaps are better. We all know what happens to cash. It gets trousered by the faceless ones in Jersey who don't care about the fate of the team.

Player swaps carry too much complication and baggage. Cash is clean, neat and tidy. If the Jersey lot want to trouser some that is just fine by me. That is called return on investment..... a concept that most football fans struggle to understand. As an alternative Al substitute it with the more homespun term of putting money aside for a rainy day. If we are relegated there'll be plenty of them coming.

I've always liked him, I'm sure I said we should ask for them both with Bentley as well. He's a younger tugay like player and above all English

He needs games on a regular basis, and we need a midfielder who can accutually pass a ball 360 degrees, your right he does go missin at times but he would be a more important player with us and hopefully that would resolve the issue.

What would be his wage demands?

I too was starting to consider brunt as an option to push MGP. He has scored some goals lately and can take a decent set piece too.

If spurs really are having a mass clear out. We should take Bent, Huddlestone & Zakora/ Jenas off them.

Jenas?!!!? Jenas is a gifted player who does not use his talent. I suspect his lack of heart and enthusiasm is cos he doesn't really like his job. Anyway Hughesy what will be his likely wage demands?

who ever thought keeping rsc was a good idea wants sacking,i would have took the first bid in jan,we could have bought 3 players with the money,players we desperatley need,lardarse,john williams who ever made this decision wants sacking

I know that Alan Nixon posts on here under a nom de plume but I'd no idea Henry Winter did too.

Whatever did anyone expect from a player who's only had one productive season in his entire career (and he's hardly young)? I knew we should have sold him in January while we still had a chance...

Waggy's really Henry Winter and now it appears that TGM's really Gypsy Rose Lee! We are just attracting some celebs nowadays aren't we?

[T4E]

This is good news. It keeps Roque on the mind of certain clubs so hopefully when others are working out their transfer budget they'll be bearing him in mind. The last thing we wanted was him staying quiet and out of the limelight and being forgotten about. The current newspaper reports also seem to be representing his operation as a positive thing, a "clean up" so as to suggest that this could be the end of his problems.

We've done without Roque all season, there's nothing to suggest he's going to get back to what he was in his first year, so lets get rid for as much as possible and let Sam spend the cash.

[Amo]

who ever thought keeping rsc was a good idea wants sacking,i would have took the first bid in jan,we could have bought 3 players with the money,players we desperatley need,lardarse,john williams who ever made this decision wants sacking

Explain how. City weren't paying £18-20m up front. They wanted to pay in instalments; and you can't spend what you don't have.

Also, January is the worst time to be rebuilding the squad. There aren't nearly as many players available, and spending for spending's sake is particularly foolhardy for a club with our resources.

[thenodrog]

In fairness to SA he gave his thoughts on this at the Ewood evening event and so there is nothing knew here at all. He said the club showed much strength and resolve to ward off interest from bigger clubs and that was unlikely to be repeated come the summer for obvious reasons, unfortunately since then RSC's 'other' knee was now showing the same symptoms as his troublesome one and that it was looking (then) like he'd need an operation.

In all fairness it appears to me very much to me like SA stuck to his guns with Mark Hughes and with our own board. He was likely fighting a battle on two fronts so give credit where it is due please. At the time in January SA repeated many times that he would not let RSC go until the valuation was reached and we had a suitable replacement lined up and that bis waht ultimately happened.

In Dec we as a club required a strong manager and we damned well got a strong manager so lets not pillory him but rather support him. He won't have covered himself in glory to the board if we drop money on RSC but like Mark Hughes he is certainly not the YES MAN that the likes of waggy, TGM, eddie etc etc so obviously crave..................

............... with the benefit of their keenly developed gift of hindsight of course!

[Manc Rover]

I suggest closing down this thread. The guy just isn't worth the effort.

[Sparky Marky]

He didn't score that many in the first half of the season. I thought he would play a much bigger role and score more but something that we have been very good at in the past is picking our moments to sell, imo we have missed that this time. Still there is loads of hype about him and we may get a nice fee to invest in the team, with a little bonus from the trust....or not.

It's not just his goals mate, it's what he brings to the team. He's fantastic at making the ball stick up front, brings midfielders into the game and normally finishes his chances. Nobody could forsee him hardly playing and if he was fit we'd be mid-table, possibly looking at 7th. It was the right decision at the time to keep him. I remember everyone on this board well chuffed he didn't go....

[mac]

I suggest closing down this thread. The guy just isn't worth the effort.

[Olveres]

Hmmm bigger club with ambition..... I wonder if he would like Partizan Belgrade maybe??? Massive Serbian fanbase and always sniffing round the CL or UEFA Cup. Jog on Roque, glad you showed your true colours in the end.

[gumboots]

One thing that always annoys me is this ambitious rubbish. Surely every team is ambitious? We all WANT to win the champions league and our own domestic league and cup evey season. Fact is we can't. Bigger club I can accept, but lacking ambition - not me and I suspect not most of our fans, our manager or our board. We may look to lack ambition because we don't have the cash to do what we'd like to do, but the fact is we'd all love to get out there and beat the "big" clubs to honours. I have always stuck up for Santa Cruz but this is badly timed and wrong for the club.

[Pugg]

In Dec we as a club required a strong manager and we damned well got a strong manager so lets not pillory him but rather support him. He won't have covered himself in glory to the board if we drop money on RSC but like Mark Hughes he is certainly not the YES MAN that the likes of waggy, TGM, eddie etc etc so obviously crave..................

............... with the benefit of their keenly developed gift of hindsight of course!

Oh you do make me laugh, roll my eyes and loads of other things. You're definitly a wind up merchant.

I'm pretty sure that most of the people who are saying we should have sold him, said the exact same thing at the time. Yes no one really knew 100% how keeping him would turn out and it was a gamble, but they had the same opinion when we were discussing wether to sell or not as they do now.

I think you should give them the credit for being right...that is of course if you still want the credit for being right about Ince. You were saying we shouldn't have given him the job. No one was 100% sure how it was going to turn out and it was a gamble, but you had the same opinion at the time as you did when we sacked him. Similarities? Benefit of hindsight or good judgement? Oh I know the answer, yours was good judgement and theirs is luck and the benefit of hindsight.

[roversmum]

He spent enough years sitting on a bench or on the treatment table at a 'BIG CLUB' didn't he? Ididn't realise Birmingham were interested... Oh well. Thanks for the memories Roque, see ya. :'(

Still, he was never going to stay.

[den]

I'm pretty sure that most of the people who are saying we should have sold him, said the exact same thing at the time. Yes no one really knew 100% how keeping him would turn out and it was a gamble, but they had the same opinion when we were discussing wether to sell or not as they do now.

I'm not sure about that Pugg. Apart from one or two [notably Eddie], the main reason people wanted him sold was because they thought the money was too good to refuse. No ideas about replacing him. The same people probably, who thought the same about selling Bentley and Friedel.

[Pugg]

I'm not sure about that Pugg. Apart from one or two [notably Eddie], the main reason people wanted him sold was because they thought the money was too good to refuse. No ideas about replacing him. The same people probably, who thought the same about selling Bentley and Friedel.

I was thinking more about people like Eddie and TGM who Theno named to be honest , but I take your point about the others.

[cranny7]

What an absolute joke he is!!! Sat on the reatment table costing us more money on top of his bag fat wage and he comes out we this sh*te. Dont know if it possible but id love to fine hin a weeks wages or 2, just to put they guy in his place!!!

[den]

Our club seem to let players get away with these comments to the press - far more than other. Even going back to the days when Sherwood and Sutton were going to the Sunday papers telling the world how our club was a shambles.

Why are they allowed to get away with it? Why doesn't the club use the press to hit back at them?

[MickeFIN]

Bring on Flying finn

shefki kuqi back !!!!!!!!!!! bye bye rogue :blink:

[The Prof.]

Who would buy a striker with dodgy knees and 1 season behind him for £20m. Spurs have a manager with some sense and the Barcodes will be in the Championship next year! If City had cash then he would have gone but they didn't until 11.59 pm the day the window closed.

He'll be here next year.

Does anyone know if he is really on strike or not?

[Hughesy]

Im pretty sure Roque decided his knee needed doing and as he is here, and doesnt want to be, thought he would pass the time by having his problem fixed, before he finally fooks off in the summer.

The guy was a top bloke to meet, but time and time again in the press he is proving to be a prick. With City, Tottenham & Liverpool (Linked this morning) all interested he can go, hopefully we get a bidding war and still get £15m, but if not and we only get approx £12m, maybe we could get Benayoun as part of the deal with the scousers? Or Bent & Huddlestone from Spurs?

One things for sure - we shouldnt ask for over £15m, because he doesnt deserve his £3m payment he is due if someone meets the £18m clause.

[LeChuck]

Does anyone know if he is really on strike or not?

[Stuart]

Our club seem to let players get away with these comments to the press - far more than other. Even going back to the days when Sherwood and Sutton were going to the Sunday papers telling the world how our club was a shambles.

Why are they allowed to get away with it? Why doesn't the club use the press to hit back at them?

Thankfully our club has far too much dignity to go using the gutter press to 'hit back' at players. However, I would like to see Roque severely censured if he has indeed made this comments by himself and for his own purposes.

The cynic in me thinks that all of the talk about Roque could be a tactic to take the pressure of the weekend's game. Unlikely , as it could easily have the opposite effect, but possible.

[Hughesy]

Does anyone know if he is really on strike or not?

Hopefully - At least that way we dont have to pay him.

[Ricky]

If the Santa Clause (sorry!!!) is real then we should do everything in our power to ensure that he doesn't get a penny.

If the clause requires us to get £18m for him to get his £3m slice then we should accept £17,999,999.99

I can't see us getting anywhere near that price now but that's certainly the way i'd like to see it work out, don't let him take this club for anymore of a ride.

[Hughesy]

+1 Ricky

[begresko]

I dont envy the lad. He clearly isn't up for a relegation scrap. But i absolutly detest the man now. I dont mind what he has said. He isn't the first and wont be the last. Its the timings. Everyone knows that he will go for a price, he must know that. But why not just keep quiet and at least save a scrap of dignity. We know our club isn't the biggest but we really put trust in this man and whilst he says he appreciates the opportunity i dont for a second believe that. I think its very unproffesional. He cant be sending good vibes out in the training ground and its a throughly bad impression to be given to the young lads to see a player want to jump off a ship which is not going to sink. Rant over.