[Archived] Nicko's Thread Part 3

[Eddie]

I'd much rather the club took as long as they felt they needed to appoint the right man than make a rush decision and employ an idiot.

We are also lucky that we don't need to 'absolutely act this month. This has happened at the best time it possibly could for us. We could easily now wait until mid-July to appoint and still have time for a manager to get to know the players and buy any new ones. That's not to say that it wouldn't be preferable to appoint sooner.

Sorry, just can't agree with that. We've got a bunch of players who will be considering their future at this moment in time, we need to replace the manager quickly...what's the old saying "cut of the head and the body will....".

We also require major improvements, so the manager needs to have as much time as possible to find what he is looking for, particularly on a limited budget. Some of our rivals are already signing players, without a manager we are unable to do so. Everyone who is interested will have been found within the next couple of days, time for some hard grind from JW and the board and for them to have a decision by the end of next week (which would give the manager only 2 months before the start of the new season...).

[broadsword]

He'd have me dancing on the ceiling, that's for sure.

He needs to get out of his car, get into my team.

[Claytons Left Boot]

Eddie, I'm sure John Williams and the board know the timescale the club has to work to. It's a question of getting the balance right. Don't take too long, but equally don't rush things.

[broadsword]

Shearer's all about heads..... His bloody great big one! This would be a disaster area and I'm backing Williams etc to stay well clear.

Agreed!

He doesn't strike me as a very sophisticated character, and is more likely to be a "ra-ra" motivational sort.

Bit like Keega,n really.

[Scotty]

Just read the last 6 or 7 pages of this thread for the first time today, and I see Nicko's "outed" Ten Cate as the Candidate B. As a result it seems his odds went down to almost even money on Betfair.

Well, his odds are now 18/1 on Betfair, so someone has been laying him a bit. Wonder who it could be?

[ElTwis]

Just read the last 6 or 7 pages of this thread for the first time today, and I see Nicko's "outed" Ten Cate as the Candidate B. As a result it seems his odds went down to almost even money on Betfair.

Well, his odds are now 18/1 on Betfair, so someone has been laying him a bit. Wonder who it could be?

Fair play to him if thats the case, if people want to throw money at everything Nicko says that's their decision, he even told people not to place the bets!

[broadsword]

Och aye, Don McKay!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/t...ers/7440063.stm

Och no, more like it! Don, hoots mon, what are ye sayin' pal, eh?

[Paul]

He doesn't strike me as a very sophisticated character,

That is a great description of Shearer, I've often wondered how to describe him succinctly and you hit the nail squarely on the head.

........and No he should not become our next manager

[Bazrakats]

Why do people want Shearer!! He'll leave us in a heartbeat if the newcastle job became available he would jump with both hands in the air.

By the way im new but no spy i saw the posts earlier im a blackburn fan from London and this is my best source of news for rovers so please dont ban me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[1864roverite]

The worrying thing for this for me are the persistent links with the media saying that McClaren and BFS are in the frame.

I would take McClaren over Sam out of those two. He is the one with the experience of coaching a decent side at Derby, working with Fergie, taking Boro a lot forward and then cocking the England job up. We all saw at Boro what he is capable of and IMO Boro of then were nowhere near as solid as Rovers are now.

With Ince, I am not so sure he is ready. maybe a year in the Leicester job is the way forward for him.

HTC, well yes I agree its an unfamiliar name but one with a lot of pedigree. I think he could do the job hands down, he certainly brings a wealth of experience and is not afraid to call the shots as we have heard.

I do wish people would read the news before making calls for the likes of Jol or Klinsmann, that kind of news just gets boring.

The likes of Shearer/Newell and co are all inexperienced for the Rovers job.

Good shout for Houllier, can he be coaxed out of France ?

Whatever happens, JW will sort it out for BRFC. He has 2 weeks to get it right and he will. The manager to be will find a cracking club, cracking facilities and a good little team to work with.

As for Hughes comments in the media. I never expected a bad word for Rovers however his quotes as well as Bowens for City's future made me chuckle. They clearly dont see issues within clubs like fans do. If he thinks it is going tob such an easy ride, even with £65m to spend he is deluded. He may make an immediate impact off the pitch but on it I think it will take longer than he thinks. City are gonna have to learn to fight first and foremost then play football.

I would absolutely love it, day 1 Rovers v City

[Hughesy]

Some dodgy clauses that Laudrup wanted - hopefully we wont allow any daft clauses like that.

Laudrup still without a job

[den]

As for Hughes comments in the media. I never expected a bad word for Rovers however his quotes as well as Bowens for City's future made me chuckle. They clearly dont see issues within clubs like fans do. If he thinks it is going tob such an easy ride, even with £65m to spend he is deluded. He may make an immediate impact off the pitch but on it I think it will take longer than he thinks. City are gonna have to learn to fight first and foremost then play football.

I would absolutely love it, day 1 Rovers v City

The thing with Hughes move to City 1864, is that even if he does have c£65m to spend, in all likelihood he will still be vying with Rovers for a UEFA spot. Not such a massive move forward for him is it? He could have done that here.

[1864roverite]

Your spot on Den. maybe I didnt really see it like that until you posted.

I can see now, like SGE, Hughes spending a considerable amount of money and still finishing outside of the top 6.

I wonder how The Good Old Thai Doctor will take this scenario in his end of season thoughts.

Uefa Cup Prelim round - eliminated

League Cup R3 - eliminated

FA Cup R3 - eliminated

FA Premiership final position - 8th/7th ?

Total transfer money out £50m against transfer money in £5.0m :!: :!:

[dr_awol]

Why do people want Shearer!! He'll leave us in a heartbeat if the newcastle job became available he would jump with both hands in the air.

agreed.

appointing a manager just because they have played for us is not the right approach, not to say he shouldn't be given the chance, like paul ince at a lower team.

Especially now there are a few descent candidates about.

[rover6]

The thing with Hughes move to City 1864, is that even if he does have c£65m to spend, in all likelihood he will still be vying with Rovers for a UEFA spot. Not such a massive move forward for him is it? He could have done that here.

Why can't he vie for a Champions League place? Although the big guns have a stranglehold, Everton and Newcastle (and weren't Ipswich once riding high up there) have shown that put a good run together and you can challenge. And if you have real money and spend it wisely, especially in January, the challenge can be real.

It'll be tough because many more teams have money but Hughes is good enough to do it, imo. He's arguably as good a manager as Moyes - and he'll have more money than Moyes. The team he's inherited is very good- individually. And there's little doubt in my mind that they'll rally around Hughes - especially after a season of a mumbling plonker managing them (or should that be, Tord Grip managing them.

Edit: Is Shearer's TV personality really relevant to his managerial capacity? I'm not so sure. He doesn't seem to have much insight but that could be because he's uncomfortable in the studio environment (which does beg the question as to why do it). I shouldn't have thought that Hughes would too hot a pundit either.

[DE.]

People who say the top 4 can't be broken are being short-sighted. Of course it can be broken - you either need a lot of money in the bank or a lot of decent players to really excel at the right time, but it can be done. Liverpool could certainly be ousted out of 4th spot. Even Arsenal, owing to a bad run, could slip a few places. Money may not buy the title, but I think it could buy a top 4 finish. Question is, will the crazy Thai be willing to wait 2 or 3 seasons for this to occur? I don't think so, and the one thing a club challenging that high needs above all else is stability.

[T4E]

I'd rather have Billy Occean. I've heard he's good when the going gets tough!

According to my journo mates down here, we have been knocked back in an approach for David Moyes. Bascially said no chance!

As if he would ever leave Everton. Good to see the ambition out there though.

Obviously not enough for Hughes though.....

Personally, I rate Walter Smith, but again, he would not leave the Gers.

Walter would not bring the attractive football we all want. I can just about cope with it in the SPL.

Excited by the Ten Cate news. He's exactly what we need - he'd have a tap on many markets where young players may be persuaded to come and cut their teeth at Rovers. Particularly at Ajax. Could be a masterstroke.

[USRoverME]

I the "needs to have good scouting networks to find young foreign players to come to Rovers" or something like that as a top criteria for our new manager, but it wakes me wonder. With all the issues regarding work permits and such... is that really needed. I mean Rovers just don't have teh pull to bypass those rules, so really, anyone in the states, africa, asia, or south america is going to have to be relatively well known and successfully on a natioanl team side before they can come over..... or am I missing something?

[allrovertheworld]

That is a great description of Shearer, I've often wondered how to describe him succinctly and you hit the nail squarely on the head.

........and No he should not become our next manager

I like it to, he doesn't seem like a thoughtful rational person and some of the stuff he comes out with on MOTD is pretty poor.

The only attraction for us to have Alan back is the buzz the club and town would get. It would die down tho and we would be left with a man who has no experience in the day to day running of a football team. Also will the players look at Shearer and think, can I really learn of this guy? I think not. Which is why the Rovers job needs experience. Remember our squad is in fantastic shape and we have some real talents in there. Granted some of them maybe going but then did anyone think Bents was sticking around even with Hughes there? I didn't.

Shearer - No way

Big Sam- Safe hands players would respect him and he has respect in the game despite the shambles that was Necastle. His record with Bolton speaks for itself and we are not above appointing him. I don not like the guy but he would allow us to carry on at the level we are and I can defo see our wasteful set pieces improve.

Mclaren - worked well with boro but doesn't inspire any excitement for me. Very good coach but I feel that he is not a real leader

Hen Ten Cate - When can you start

Paul Ince - like the guy. But not yet he needs to earn his stripes at a lower club. People keep refering to Hughes when he took over us not having club experience. We are a different animal now and this job would be too much for him with the players involved.

Billic - A bit of a risk but this guy is very likable and would bond with players very well. He has shown what he can do with a small collection of talent and his fighting spirit even when his team had qualified showned a real leader. He has the X factor aswell much like the 'special one'.

Whoever gets the job will be joining a great club.

[Dunnfc]

Just reading through todays pages and seeing that we are linked to Ten Carte and i'm shocked that soo many of you want that overrated clown (my opinion). For me he's just not a canididate for Rovers, he's never really managed a side like Rovers before and weve never employed someone like him before hes like a make or break.

He would get us a good youth set up though but i think hes very bad at man management and his eye for players seems allot to be desired, he is very tatical though but i just don't think he'd be a good choice for us.

[philipl]

Just reading through todays pages and seeing that we are linked to Ten Carte and i'm shocked that soo many of you want that overrated clown (my opinion). For me he's just not a canididate for Rovers, he's never really managed a side like Rovers before and weve never employed someone like him before hes like a make or break.

He would get us a good youth set up though but i think hes very bad at man management and his eye for players seems allot to be desired, he is very tatical though but i just don't think he'd be a good choice for us.

What specifically from his past makes you say that?

There is emotion but no facts in what you write but presumably something has caused you to feel so strongly.

[Dunnfc]

Phil call it an instinct i just don't believe that Henk Ten Cate would be any good for us.

In football the sometimes are managers who are more suited to a coaching role or assistant role rather than being a manager, Ten Cate falls into that bracket.

[LeChuck]

Why do people want Shearer!! He'll leave us in a heartbeat if the newcastle job became available he would jump with both hands in the air.

So would any manager of ours if they were offered the Newcastle job.

[BuckyRover]

Yes but you would rather have Shearer or Fat Sam

I would rather have Ten Cate

A bit of a gamble (but not a stupid gamble like Shearer would be)

[Dunnfc]

Shearer with an expirienced assistant would be key,

Allardyce is about my 4th favorite purely because hes been there and done that and knows it all.

I'd settle for Shearer as manager and Tenk Cate as assistant though.